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Premade vs Pugs and how to avoid/find them!!

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited April 2010 in PvP Gameplay
When queueing for a 5v5, keep an eye on the number waiting in queue.

If the number is already at 5 when you look it up, a chance a premade is there.

If the number jumps directly by 5, a premade just joined the queue. At this point you have 2 choices, either join with your own premade, and this works if the total queue on your side is empty(or in the case of FvF the number is already at 5) OR ignore the queue until the number goes below 5, then queue up.

I offer this trick to help players avoid imbalanced or find worthy opponents.

In the hope that Cryptic will come up with a system that filters premade from PuGs, now players has a method to afford worthy challenges.

I'm a PuG man myself (most of the time), and as much skill I can possibly bring to the battlefield, rarely do PuG has a fighting chance against premade. And I do love an equal challenge, otherwise what's the purpose?

Getting premade vs premade to fight each other is a bit trickier, the queue must read zero for the first premade to queue in. But if more PuG players adapt this system, having players bail out when a premade joins in should also allow premades to join against each other with more ease.

Thank you
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    why do you loose your time to post those oblivious infos that all the population already know?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ultime wrote: »
    why doi you loose yoru tiem to post those oblivious info than all the population already know?

    To tell you the truth, your post hurts my brain.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    i hope i didnt make you overheat
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ultime wrote: »
    i hope i didnt make you overheat

    Mon ami, ils ne comprennent pas la langue de l'amour
    qui est engrish canadienne-fran
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ultime wrote: »
    why doi you loose yoru tiem to post those oblivious info than all the population already know?

    But NOOOIE what hapepned tehn??? Teh babeis wer all kieledl by hte traogic accdient!!!! NOOOOO


    I'm a PuG man myself (most of the time), and as much skill I can possibly bring to the battlefield, rarely do PuG has a fighting chance against premade. And I do love an equal challenge, otherwise what's the purpose?

    Very true. Most premades however do not consist of true pvp'ers, they are just players that want to win fast and often to inflate their e-peen. A true pvp'er enjoys the match itself more than the result, and would prefer a hard fought match where no side had the advantage for most of its duration more than a 2 minute faceroll. Same with people who take enjoyment out of VM/Subnuc spamming, they simply lack the proper mindset.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ultime wrote: »
    why do you loose your time to post those oblivious infos that all the population already know?

    edit: fix attempt
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    close, 1 o in lose
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    LordTareq wrote: »
    Very true. Most premades however do not consist of true pvp'ers, they are just players that want to win fast and often to inflate their e-peen. A true pvp'er enjoys the match itself more than the result, and would prefer a hard fought match where no side had the advantage for most of its duration more than a 2 minute faceroll. Same with people who take enjoyment out of VM/Subnuc spamming, they simply lack the proper mindset.

    Most of my PvP nights are with some folks from my friend list, or PUGs which convert into an evolving group as the night progresses. By the end we're a premade, but it was one that kind of formed from an initial PUG as folks rotated in and out.

    In terms of battles though, I'd much rather prefer a 14-15 loss than a 15-1 win any day. And after several matches where we tend to be winning heavily, it's good when you run up against a very skilled opposing team that knocks you down just as much. Heck, after losing to a group of players in one map, I look forwards to facing them in subsequent matches later in the evening.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ambience wrote: »
    Most of my PvP nights are with some folks from my friend list, or PUGs which convert into an evolving group as the night progresses. By the end we're a premade, but it was one that kind of formed from an initial PUG as folks rotated in and out.

    In terms of battles though, I'd much rather prefer a 14-15 loss than a 15-1 win any day. And after several matches where we tend to be winning heavily, it's good when you run up against a very skilled opposing team that knocks you down just as much. Heck, after losing to a group of players in one map, I look forwards to facing them in subsequent matches later in the evening.

    +1
    much respect Ambience
    looking forward to facing you
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ambience wrote: »
    Most of my PvP nights are with some folks from my friend list, or PUGs which convert into an evolving group as the night progresses. By the end we're a premade, but it was one that kind of formed from an initial PUG as folks rotated in and out.

    In terms of battles though, I'd much rather prefer a 14-15 loss than a 15-1 win any day. And after several matches where we tend to be winning heavily, it's good when you run up against a very skilled opposing team that knocks you down just as much. Heck, after losing to a group of players in one map, I look forwards to facing them in subsequent matches later in the evening.

    I do those all the time, Alot of my fleetmates came from PvPing extensively with them. Sometimes they started out with just meeting them randomly, sometimes they come from the organized pvp channel.

    Without my teammates, I would be nothing (and probably in DOB).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ambience wrote: »
    Most of my PvP nights are with some folks from my friend list, or PUGs which convert into an evolving group as the night progresses. By the end we're a premade, but it was one that kind of formed from an initial PUG as folks rotated in and out.

    Quite right, I have the same thing often. I guess you could consider that a premade as well, but what I meant with premade are those that form up in advance, most likely consist of the same people whenever they take the field, and use teamspeak. And ofcourse even those sometimes consist of true pvp'ers that are just looking for a good fight, rather than an easy win.

    On the other hand there seem to be alot of premades that consist of 3 Science Ships loaded with SNB and stacks of VM, with 2 Escorts to kill the defenseless opposition, or any variation of that which allows them to roll over most opposition. I've even seen a FvF premade that consisted of 5 science ships with stacked FBP:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    LordTareq wrote: »
    On the other hand there seem to be alot of premades that consist of 3 Science Ships loaded with SNB and stacks of VM, with 2 Escorts to kill the defenseless opposition, or any variation of that which allows them to roll over most opposition. I've even seen a FvF premade that consisted of 5 science ships with stacked FBP:rolleyes:

    Yeah, I've been up against that premade. More then once in fact. It's why I always make sure to bring along cannons/turrets and a BO with rapid fire, just in case I'm against that team build.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I usually never allow more then 1 Sci captain on our premade team for obvious reasons.

    I might consider allowing 2 once the big 3 receives a fix that is universally accepted by most fleets.

    One of the hardest matches I've ever done was vs. a Klingon group with 4 BoP Sci Captains + 1 Battle Cruiser. It was hilarious.


    There are certain things you can do as a team to counter Sci abilities but when they have 3 or 4 of them locking down almost everyone there's only so much you can do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ninjaboy wrote: »
    I usually never allow more then 1 Sci captain on our premade team for obvious reasons.

    I might consider allowing 2 once the big 3 receives a fix that is universally accepted by most fleets.

    One of the hardest matches I've ever done was vs. a Klingon group with 4 BoP Sci Captains + 1 Battle Cruiser. It was hilarious.


    There are certain things you can do as a team to counter Sci abilities but when they have 3 or 4 of them locking down almost everyone there's only so much you can do.

    the premades I like to roll out are 1 cruiser healbot, 2 science healbot/debuff/cc, 2 escorts dps
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I actually enjoy when my 1 man pre-made (me) runs into other pre-mades. It at least provides a fun challenge instead of the one Capt. Terribad of the USS Short Bus provides in most pugs you run into.
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