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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited April 2010 in PvP Gameplay
This is just dumb and quite annoyed by it.

Talking of salvage operation PvP. Always, and I mean always the side with the better or the most Escorts wins.

Seen this 90% of the time, either my side wins, or the other side wins, but always the side with the most skilled or most played Escorts wins.

Now, I don't know when they'll nerf Escorts so that they are weak to your average Cruiser or your Average Science ship. But they need to do something soon. More and more people just keeps rolling escorts and if the nerf comes in too late, it's going to hurt the game big time.

3 Cruisers on 3 Escorts, Escorts wins. 3 Science ship on 3 Escorts, Escort wins. A mix of 3 on 3 Escorts, Escorts wins. (This always apply when equally skilled players on both sides)

This imbalance is nothing but annoying. Escorts can also get back into a fight much faster than a Cruiser. So in the event of a wipe, Escorts can easily turn the tide within a minute.

I have my thousands of points of Excellence, I played countless FvF scenarios. And the Escort always sticks out like a sore thumb.

I know how OP they are and for that reason alone, I won't roll one. I never did like the nerf bat.

Hoping something gets done about this. Or soon you'll have over 50% of the population playing them in PvP. And for people who enjoys playing a Cruiser or Science vessel, will clearly be annoyed by the DPS.

Hulls should have more resistance to energy weapons, this would force players to diversify their attacks.

P.S.: This ain't a rage quit post. This is something that needs to be fix so that other players who like diversity can go back to enjoying the game.


/frustration off
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Oh yeah, more Escort stuff that is annoying.

    They make better farming ship.

    Deep Space Engagement for example, the ship with the most DPS when killing another ship, gets the loot. Who you think that is?

    As a science vessel spec heal/support, I shouldn't be penalized for drops when I am being helpful to others.

    Many escorts has been seen mostly soloing so they could guarantee a drop for themselves.

    The loot system needs to take in consideration time spent attacking and not only the overall DPS. So that any players who participated equally has a chance for loot.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    all I got to say is, those cruiser/science vessel captains must really suck and know nothing about the game
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kashnar wrote:
    all I got to say is, those cruiser/science vessel captains must really suck and know nothing about the game

    Afraid you haven't been doing much PvP to give such a short answer. A pun at that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    lol, pvp is all I do, premades for the most part and I can name only a hand full of escorts that are better than I. and the good cruisers/science captains are not so easy to crack
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Seems modesty is not one of your strong points....:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Can't say I agree with you at all here. Damage is ridiculously out of control, but that also means escorts die a lot faster too. And if those science ships and cruisers aren't supporting each other or controlling the escorts, well, they get what they deserve.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Dalnar wrote:
    Seems modesty is not one of your strong points....:rolleyes:

    pretty much everyone that knows me would disagree with that statement, but I do take pride in delivering a strong pimp slap
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yeah Escorts are made of Paper, I know I fly one.

    I also fly a carrier and the fastest way to an escorts heart is through it's engines I've noticed.

    Or failing all else full Aux snb the little beggar and Jam/viral them (provided they don't chain AP:O)

    I flew a sci previously and the only reason I changed was I fancied a change of pace, racking up half a mill damage in pvp isn't hard in a sci ship, especially when you use FBP and your opponent doesn't know when to quit.

    And I've seen cruisers stay up far beyond even my wildest estimates.

    Don't discount the Sci/Cruiser pilots of this world, some of em are among the very best.

    Also, Pimp slap me Allan. I want it, I need it!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This is just dumb and quite annoyed by it.

    Talking of salvage operation PvP. Always, and I mean always the side with the better or the most Escorts wins.

    Seen this 90% of the time, either my side wins, or the other side wins, but always the side with the most skilled or most played Escorts wins.

    Now, I don't know when they'll nerf Escorts so that they are weak to your average Cruiser or your Average Science ship. But they need to do something soon. More and more people just keeps rolling escorts and if the nerf comes in too late, it's going to hurt the game big time.

    3 Cruisers on 3 Escorts, Escorts wins. 3 Science ship on 3 Escorts, Escort wins. A mix of 3 on 3 Escorts, Escorts wins. (This always apply when equally skilled players on both sides)

    This imbalance is nothing but annoying. Escorts can also get back into a fight much faster than a Cruiser. So in the event of a wipe, Escorts can easily turn the tide within a minute.

    I have my thousands of points of Excellence, I played countless FvF scenarios. And the Escort always sticks out like a sore thumb.

    I know how OP they are and for that reason alone, I won't roll one. I never did like the nerf bat.

    Hoping something gets done about this. Or soon you'll have over 50% of the population playing them in PvP. And for people who enjoys playing a Cruiser or Science vessel, will clearly be annoyed by the DPS.

    Hulls should have more resistance to energy weapons, this would force players to diversify their attacks.

    P.S.: This ain't a rage quit post. This is something that needs to be fix so that other players who like diversity can go back to enjoying the game.


    /frustration off

    Every member of the flavor of the month club (also members of the use vent teams or don't play club) will disagree. Chalk up some more canceled subscriptions. Elites don't care. They will move onto the next MMO like a locust storm once they bleed STO dry.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thrax73 wrote:
    Every member of the flavor of the month club (also members of the use vent teams or don't play club) will disagree. Chalk up some more canceled subscriptions. Elites don't care. They will move onto the next MMO like a locust storm once they bleed STO dry.

    Thats a little harsh old chap.

    I use vent and I'm far from elite.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thats a little harsh old chap.

    I use vent and I'm far from elite.

    exactly, for some reason everyone thinks if you use voice chat you are an elitist or something, I just sit in vent and chat with my fleet/guild/corp when I'm online, not even in game sometimes. Its nice to just sit here and talk to people when I'm surfing youtube or something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kashnar wrote:
    exactly, for some reason everyone thinks if you use voice chat you are an elitist or something, I just sit in vent and chat with my fleet/guild/corp when I'm online, not even in game sometimes. Its nice to just sit here and talk to people when I'm surfing youtube or something.

    In fairness thats the primary reason I rented the server in the first place. As a social tool.

    And it works, peeps in my fleet know that if I'm on I'm in there, we can chat, or sort premades or use it for STF's.

    And it works for all of those things.

    Order is NOT a pvp fleet, we have members who do alot of pvp, some of us are even good at it, maybe one day I will be too.

    But Vent will always give you an edge.

    "HEAL XXXX" is always quicker to yell than to type

    If that makes me elitist well I guess I need to relearn the definition of the word and burn my dictionary
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Nothing wrong with vent. I own vent and play other games using it. The problem is the play it my way or hit the highway mentality imposed by team players who think there should not be pugging at all.

    You only care about min maxing, roleplayers and casuals who don't want vent spoiling their immersion be damned. So like many others i have canceled my subscription. Cryptic has snubbed the single most loyal group of people in favor of guys who can't even name their starship maturely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thrax73 wrote:
    Nothing wrong with vent. I own vent and play other games using it. The problem is the play it my way or hit the highway mentality imposed by team players who think there should not be pugging at all.

    You only care about min maxing, roleplayers and casuals who don't want vent spoiling their immersion be damned. So like many others i have canceled my subscription. Cryptic has snubbed the single most loyal group of people in favor of guys who can't even name their starship maturely.

    /QFT

    I hope you find what you are looking for.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thrax73 wrote:
    Nothing wrong with vent. I own vent and play other games using it. The problem is the play it my way or hit the highway mentality imposed by team players who think there should not be pugging at all.

    And which way would that be and which highway exactly? When I do premades with fleet we usually take on 3 or four of us grab the random in each map and just tell em to stick close. Which they usually would do anyway
    You only care about min maxing, roleplayers and casuals who don't want vent spoiling their immersion be damned. So like many others i have canceled my subscription. Cryptic has snubbed the single most loyal group of people in favor of guys who can't even name their starship maturely.

    Slightly insulting there old chap.

    No I don;t only care about Min/Maxxing. I personally do it because it's effective, I have a fleet full of roleplayers who PvP as well and most of us are middle aged, work and are pretty damn casual. You get em in a pvp match tho and they'll get set RP and work aside and get down to business. They're also gamers, and most gamers like to be good at what they do.

    So you've quit, well as a pvper and an elitist and someone who only cares about min/maxing. Well, I guess thats your decision and I hope you enjoy whatever you play next more.

    Oh and the vast majority of my ships are named after British navy warships, with those left over named after mythological events or things (Ragnarok = End of the World)

    If you like naming mature ships you could always throw me a decent suggestion for my Carrier, I'm stuck.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Slightly insulting there old chap.

    It didn't seem like he was aiming that at you.

    What I think he was trying to say is that people who have this "L2P" attitude and are inconsiderate of others play styles ruin games where the goal is an immersive experience. You seem like a reasonable person, so I doubt this applied to you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It didn't seem like he was aiming that at you.

    What I think he was trying to say is that people who have this "L2P" attitude and are inconsiderate of others play styles ruin games where the goal is an immersive experience. You seem like a reasonable person, so I doubt this applied to you.

    Not saying this as a wish to be inciting further argumentation (summers coming, getting hot blooded is best in winter)

    But it was a blanket statement. I'm a pvper therefore I'm included.

    I know thats a slightly closed view to it, but alot of the L2P crowd are nice people. I've had some very surreal matches in this game. With both sides helping the other with advice and hints and tips even while tearing into each other.

    Some of the premade groups especially get stick which I feel is undeserved.

    Take D.O.B for example. I've never seen D.o.B bad mouthing people in game. Doesn;t mean it doesn;t happen. Tempers get frayed in pvp and I know that friendly banter can be misconstrued or taken to far.

    I've actually been apologised to by a D.O.B member for killing me who then complimented for my damage. Which did leave me going "Wait...wut?"

    I know it's easy to lump all premaders and pvpers in together in one group and Puggers/casuals/pve'ers/RP'ers in the other, but in reality the distinctions not that clear, it's not like a clique. The majority of us aren't out to make your life a misery we just like a good challenge, and everything else we do or are goes out the window when PvP comes along, not because of an elitist attitude, but to be the best you can be at what you do. Doesn;t mean you can;t catch us on Risa in the small hours RPing.. Well, not me I'm terrible at RP, can't keep a straight face. But you get what I mean I hope.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Not saying this as a wish to be inciting further argumentation (summers coming, getting hot blooded is best in winter)

    But it was a blanket statement. I'm a pvper therefore I'm included.

    I know thats a slightly closed view to it, but alot of the L2P crowd are nice people. I've had some very surreal matches in this game. With both sides helping the other with advice and hints and tips even while tearing into each other.

    Some of the premade groups especially get stick which I feel is undeserved.

    Take D.O.B for example. I've never seen D.o.B bad mouthing people in game. Doesn;t mean it doesn;t happen. Tempers get frayed in pvp and I know that friendly banter can be misconstrued or taken to far.

    I've actually been apologised to by a D.O.B member for killing me who then complimented for my damage. Which did leave me going "Wait...wut?"

    I know it's easy to lump all premaders and pvpers in together in one group and Puggers/casuals/pve'ers/RP'ers in the other, but in reality the distinctions not that clear, it's not like a clique. The majority of us aren't out to make your life a misery we just like a good challenge, and everything else we do or are goes out the window when PvP comes along, not because of an elitist attitude, but to be the best you can be at what you do. Doesn;t mean you can;t catch us on Risa in the small hours RPing.. Well, not me I'm terrible at RP, can't keep a straight face. But you get what I mean I hope.


    Ok Wulf, take off the sheep's clothing now. :rolleyes:

    I just got done reading your posts in a thread where a D.O.B. member shows off his screenshot where he calls a fed player "the dumbest fed i've ever met," in-game. Being an TRIBBLE in-game is bad enough, then going to the forums to brag about it makes it worse.

    This sums up PUG fed ignorance

    So quit with the "hey we are reasonable guys" act. Thrax and Jaruslothran have a valid complaint about hardcore pvp'rs acting like immature jerks. It happens, and it does hurt the game. Thrax is also right to point out that Cryptic listens to these players at the peril of their own game. They will continue to move into every new game and exploit all the imbalances for the sake of their own egos... until they mature a little.

    So jumping in front of Thrax's criticism and then trying to "prove" that it's unreasonable or trollish is uncalled for. Maybe you think the people you are defending will appreciate your selfless defense of them, but it just makes you look like a fawning wannabe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    F-Prime wrote:
    Ok Wulf, take off the sheep's clothing now. :rolleyes:

    So quit with the "hey we are reasonable guys" act. Thrax and Jaruslothran have a valid complaint about hardcore pvp'rs acting like immature jerks. It happens, and it does hurt the game. Thrax is also right to point out that Cryptic listens to these players at the peril of their own game. They will continue to move into every new game and exploit all the imbalances for the sake of their own egos... until they mature a little.

    So jumping in front of Thrax's criticism and then trying to "prove" that it's unreasonable or trollish is uncalled for. Maybe you think the people you are defending will appreciate your selfless defense of them, but it just makes you look like a fawning wannabe.

    If I take off my Sheeps clothing I'll catch a cold in my unmentionables.

    And lessee, I often defend people in a particular situation purely for arguments sake. I'm a self confessed Troll after all. I don't mind what you think of me, thats your perogative old chap.

    My statements have never been about individuals, more about the act of tarring everyone with the same brush as it were


    I never said it doesn't happen it does. The only comment I made in that entire thread in fact where I'm not just acting like my usual idiot self was the where I stated scoreboards don't tell the whole story, I also said neither does the screenshot was meant to be in support of the guy who was accusng Akumarev of hacking, not the other way around. Followed by the_stigs return Troll attack. the whole damn thread was stupid and I said so.
    Much as I don't want to be the guy jumping to peoples defence, scoreboards don't tell the whole story.

    By the same token neither does the first screenie most likely.

    In fact this whole threads stupid, you're all stupid, and I'm even stupider I know!

    Sod off the lot of you.

    Go on, shoo!

    So your post concerning how I respond to confuses me a little, but thats fine I'm seriously easy to confuse.

    But you want some teeth I guess so fair enough.

    Whats the point of whining OR Bragging on the forums it's just a more complex form of Trolling. And now this damn thread in fact almost all of em are stupid and TRIBBLE just like you, now sod off before I beat you to death with my e-peen.

    Better?

    Seriously I don't come on here to jump to the defence of people, in fact I just jump "selflessly to the attack" of near enough anyone I thinks being an idiot.

    Also leave Jaruslothran out of this, we're being civil to each other, stop trolling!

    *waves e-peen threateningly*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Just now my escort was beaten heavily 5 times in a row by a cruiser, 1on1. The maximum was down to like 69%, mostly >90% hull/shields.

    Even while SNBing 15 seconds I didnt get through the shields to load off a bunch of torpedos, and that with cannons+turrets+EPS+EPW. Once my RSP dropped, the cruiser ate through my shields within seconds. I'd say 10 seconds and shields are gone and hull destroyed.

    So either I am doing something terribly wrong in my BOs (although its by far the best configuration I had so far), or I have troubles understanding the OP concerns.

    I do however agree that the loot is favoring escorts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I must admit I am lost as to why casual players are PVPing, when it is obvious that it is a system in every game I've ever played that favors those that wish to have teamwork, communication, strategy, tactics while playing rather than the FEW that cry for cannon and Roleplay aspects and absolute confusion while playing VS other people.

    In all honesty the more I think about things the more I have to laugh that truely the minority are the ones complaining about "premades" and screaming that "TRIBBLE are OP".

    When the minority of players want things to be there way and lack the comprehension of how to get it it makes me laugh. Sick of playing against Premades....well make a private match invite random people, scramble up the teams and then go have a nice chaotic unorganized time. But to que up alone...get into a match and find that there is a premade and then go to the forums and cry is pure ignorance.
    I can tel you from personal experience and I will speak for my fleet when I say;
    "we want a premades to fight not PUG's"
    but we don't always get what we want, do we.
    that is why we made the PremadePVP channel, want a PUG channel make one, its not hard to do. Want balance then set up rules, no skill 1-5 allowed. There is a real rock paper scissor in the game,
    rock = PUG player with skills built for solo play and not teamwork (stacking RSP, FBP)
    paper = PUG player that has skills to help a team out ( heals and buffs)
    scissor = PUG player that has a mix of those skills
    You forgot the last part of that equation
    Nuke = premade that knwos how to play the game as a team and does so well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ermm for me its usually other way, the team with the most escorts looses.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ermm for me its usually other way, the team with the most escorts looses.

    I'm sorry you play against such bad escorts. But equally skilled players, escorts always wins it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I'm sorry you play against such bad escorts. But equally skilled players, escorts always wins it.

    No disrepect but escort only teams get Dropped faster than any other team make up.
    A good balance in the group is the key. Escorts get locked down with no way to get out then its pewpew and they go spewspew
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    akumarev wrote:
    I must admit I am lost as to why casual players are PVPing, when it is obvious that it is a system in every game I've ever played that favors those that wish to have teamwork, communication, strategy, tactics while playing rather than the FEW that cry for cannon and Roleplay aspects and absolute confusion while playing VS other people.

    In all honesty the more I think about things the more I have to laugh that truely the minority are the ones complaining about "premades" and screaming that "TRIBBLE are OP".

    When the minority of players want things to be there way and lack the comprehension of how to get it it makes me laugh. Sick of playing against Premades....well make a private match invite random people, scramble up the teams and then go have a nice chaotic unorganized time. But to que up alone...get into a match and find that there is a premade and then go to the forums and cry is pure ignorance.
    I can tel you from personal experience and I will speak for my fleet when I say;
    "we want a premades to fight not PUG's"
    but we don't always get what we want, do we.
    that is why we made the PremadePVP channel, want a PUG channel make one, its not hard to do. Want balance then set up rules, no skill 1-5 allowed. There is a real rock paper scissor in the game,
    rock = PUG player with skills built for solo play and not teamwork (stacking RSP, FBP)
    paper = PUG player that has skills to help a team out ( heals and buffs)
    scissor = PUG player that has a mix of those skills
    You forgot the last part of that equation
    Nuke = premade that knwos how to play the game as a team and does so well.

    Afraid your statement not that good. Considering either sides has a random chance of winning and often than none, side with the most Escort wins the salvage operations. That it either be PuG, groups, that It be my side or not.

    And just for the heck of it, i did the test. Every salvage operations I duoed with an Escort, I won them all. Of course I took the best Escort I could find just to prove they are the decisive factor. And we ran against noobs, pros, elites, groups and pugs. At times, our side was playing stink ball, but we still won.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    akumarev wrote:
    No disrepect but escort only teams get Dropped faster than any other team make up.
    A good balance in the group is the key. Escorts get locked down with no way to get out then its pewpew and they go spewspew

    Never said anything about only escort Teams. There always have an offset healer, but the majority of the ships are 50% escorts (when a winning side is found). In a fair and balanced mmo, that number should be closer to 33%.

    Seeing that many people play escorts and still win leaves a lot to think about what Cryptic calls balanced.

    You don't hear people complain about Science Vessel or Cruiser, you hear them complain about abilities they have but even escort can use. Or the fact your fighting a Science player or engineer player. But as far as ship are involve, Science Vessel got very few good tricks, put aside the VM+SNB since I don't noob spam it or even use the VM at all. When nerf comes, Science Vessel going to need some really good love. That small hull is no match to any strong DPS ship.

    What makes science vessel so OP? Again, put aside the player class chosen. And don't mention VM(since a nerf was already approved but pending) or SNB(since that is tied to the player and not the ship)

    What makes Cruisers so OP? Again, put aside the player class chosen. Do they really have anything offensive worthwile? What's that, boarding party(not really a favorite in Cruiser Forums)? They really better at tanking than anything else, slow pokes too. Cruisers are currently in a neutral line, but hardly in a position of needing a nerf, but perhaps some love on some of their officer abilities.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    What configuration of weapons, consoles and BOs do you use in an escort to beat any cruiser out there?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    iI have to say you are not playing versus good cruisers then, we have cruisers that TRIBBLE escorts, why cuz they know how to fight against them. Werun into teams that stack escorts all the time and they are lucky to get a single kill on us (DOB)
    I know you think that people in this game are good but on average they are not. In fact we RARELY find a challange when fighting 5v5. By rarely I mean maybe 1 a night if we are lcuky with our 10+ matches per night.
    I don't count CnH in this due to the fact that CnH inherently favors escorts for solo play, but when that escort is attempting to kill or even wina fight versus a good team it will never win, skill NEVER beats good teamwork.
    I can assure you that science ship with or without VM. as for a sci vessel not using VM its a dumb idea to not use it. It is the bread and butter of sci vessels. At least 1 is nice to have. not to mention Tykens rift is WICKed when used correctly, and the inate target subsystems is insane.
    The role of a sci is to CC and buff / debuff hence not usign VM is not wise since it is one of the best CC's if not the the best CC in the game.
    as for the proposed changes coming up, I look forward to them it will buff science ships big time. FBP on all weapons will make it useful, VM will be interesting to try out in conjunction with a TR build.
    Again this is 5v5 maps not CnH maps.
    I woud love to see you get a premade together and come fight VS our teams... in fact look up our youtube videos where we beat a klingon premade without any escorts at all.
    I speak from a TON of pvp experience not just a few matches every now and then.
    Please feel free to go watch our vids and then come talk to me about things. Most that watch and listen come back and send us tells about how they learned alot about pvp from watching us play together.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I always well known to play the OP class and to exploit every game mechanics possible in every mmos i played in the past.

    Suffice to say, the nerf bat hits really hard.

    And if I wanted to play such a class right now, would be an escort. Without a doubt. But I got tired of being hit by the nerf bat. So now, I stay away from OP(over played) classes.

    I agree 5v5 is totally different but 4 escorts with good support does well enough. Since players blows all their toys in the initial attack, if you can't kill 1 off and your fancy DPS toys are mostly gone. Then I wouldn't want to be on the receiving hand of the retaliation.

    I often read the 3 classes ships for the federation forums and rarely do I see people prefer another ship over the escort. And I mean rarely, doesn't mean they don't, it's just not often. Many players has an escort and something else.

    The escort for DPS was pretty high before the patch, and people playing escorts would still love playing them even if they are fragile units. But with an increase on their DPS, still some people continue to say it is balanced?

    I don't know how narrow vision some players have on things. But I got not problem at saying everything that was OP about a class I played. I also eliminated all the abilities people whine about in my build and can still win more than 50% of my encounters with just me and a PuG.

    Not for 5v5 since most players go in there with premade and I have odd hours preventing me of having steady premades. But in the event of 5v5 pugs, i definitely hit the mark above 50%.

    Once, got lucky and was a premade of 4 + me vs another premade, the score was 15 to 0 in our favor. They had 3 escorts and a cruiser, I was driving a science vessel(with no VM).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I'm sorry you play against such bad escorts. But equally skilled players, escorts always wins it.

    I'm sorry you have played with PUG teammates who have no idea how to play but I'll take a 5v5 or 3v3 of escorts versus science vessels with people who know how to play any day. SNB/VM an escort and he is toast. An all-escort squad doesn't have sufficient science slots to work as an effective team....little to no team heals, no effective crowd control, and insufficient survivability.

    The poor, solo gameplay style of people in PUG's on a Capture and Hold maps is much more of a concern than any disparity between escorts and cruisers/science vessels.
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