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Klingons deliberately spoiling ground pvp

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edited April 2010 in PvP Gameplay
Just in a game, not only were they a premade group who charged straight at us before we could even form a group but two of the people on our side were WORKING for them

Two of our fed players deliberately let themselves be killed without putting up defense and one even went as far as to saying i'm switching back now.

Along with the fact all the klingons are tooled up with god knows what, they are going out of their way to spoil ground pvp.

Something needs to be done, even the simplest adjustment such as adding a countdown to the beginning of battles would help. Apart from that I just have no respect for any ground klingon pvpers if they have to go out of their way to saboutage our gameplay, its just a form of griefing.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Just in a game, not only were they a premade group who charged straight at us before we could even form a group but two of the people on our side were WORKING for them

    Two of our fed players deliberately let themselves be killed without putting up defense and one even went as far as to saying i'm switching back now.

    Along with the fact all the klingons are tooled up with god knows what, they are going out of their way to spoil ground pvp.

    Something needs to be done, even the simplest adjustment such as adding a countdown to the beginning of battles would help. Apart from that I just have no respect for any ground klingon pvpers if they have to go out of their way to saboutage our gameplay, its just a form of griefing.

    agreed... if players are logging in their feds toons to mess up the queues/matches, that is just wrong... and incredibly lame... if they lack skill to that degree, they should go play POKEMON ONLINE...

    with that said, klinks are geared with the same stuff feds are geared with... in my experience, klinks pvp more... since that is the only real way to level at the moment. As a result, they are better at it than most fed pve carebears...

    I am a pvp hardcore gamer... why I rolled a klink toon... pve means very little to me... I would suspect many other hardcore pvp'ers rolled klinks for the same reason... MORE PVP! :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Revvy wrote:
    agreed... if players are logging in their feds toons to mess up the queues/matches, that is just wrong... and incredibly lame... if they lack skill to that degree, they should go play POKEMON ONLINE...

    with that said, klinks are geared with the same stuff feds are geared with... in my experience, klinks pvp more... since that is the only real way to level at the moment. As a result, they are better at it than most fed pve carebears...

    I am a pvp hardcore gamer... why I rolled a klink toon... pve means very little to me... I would suspect many other hardcore pvp'ers rolled klinks for the same reason... MORE PVP! :cool:

    Problem is though, if they were making pvp ground premade groups who are speced in ground pvp and are facing feds who ain't speced in ground pvp cause the majority spec space because thats where most of our pve is, just having over two tiers of points in ground pvp is enough to steamroll feds.

    I speced in ground pvp recently and in the last game vs this team i killed two of them solo, but when its 5 of them steamrolling from the start no one has a chance. Added in the fact they are placing "spies" into our ranks to make us even weaker it just sucks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Problem is though, if they were making pvp ground premade groups who are speced in ground pvp and are facing feds who ain't speced in ground pvp cause the majority spec space because thats where most of our pve is, just having over two tiers of points in ground pvp is enough to steamroll feds.

    I speced in ground pvp recently and in the last game vs this team i killed two of them solo, but when its 5 of them steamrolling from the start no one has a chance. Added in the fact they are placing "spies" into our ranks to make us even weaker it just sucks.

    I am spec'd for both space and ground, with more points in ground pvp... Most rounds I am top damage dealer on ground, and in space I am always within top 3 damage dealers... work on a balanced build and you will have more fun...

    and to the lame klinks logging in their fed toons to win matches... L2P!!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Revvy wrote:
    I am spec'd for both space and ground, with more points in ground pvp... Most rounds I am top damage dealer on ground, and in space I am always within top 3 damage dealers... work on a balanced build and you will have more fun...

    and to the lame klinks logging in their fed toons to win matches... L2P!!!!

    I have a balanced build now, i'm 50/50 I don't have any points in my fleet escort either. I like ground pvp, i've had some really good matches when luckily the teams have ended up random and even matched (mostly fed vs fed though) but Klingons are just ruining any other pvp.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ...but Klingons are just ruining any other pvp.

    you are over generalizing... all the klinks i roll with in pvp are just damn good at it... no need for such lame tactics... don't put us all in the category because you encountered this once in game... :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Its not once, I've seen it happen repeatedly, I know what klingons doing this and its more than just the ones I saw today.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Its not once, I've seen it happen repeatedly, I know what klingons doing this and its more than just the ones I saw today.

    then maybe you should go play POKEMON ONLINE... :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Revvy wrote:
    then maybe you should go play POKEMON ONLINE... :D

    Maybe you should stop coming up with ways to protect the Klingons form of pvping instead of telling me to go play something else, I've invested heavily in this game and I shouldn't have to sit by while I'm having my game play ruined by others.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    its our revenge for Feds spawning in dead and thus can see both sides and using Hazzard emiiters on cloaked klinks, or revenge for the fedballs stacked in a sea of mines, or maybe because klinks have to PvP a lot to even advance (although now we have 3 clusters to explore) and that makes us better at the lower levels?

    Hate to say it.....L2P

    The guys using feds to win for klinks.....lame....and should be flogged for it
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Maybe you should stop coming up with ways to protect the Klingons form of pvping instead of telling me to go play something else, I've invested heavily in this game and I shouldn't have to sit by while I'm having my game play ruined by others.

    DUDE... seriously... back away from the keyboard, take a deep breath and reread my posts... not once did i defend those tactics... but to think that this is widespread problem and that most klinks use these lame strategies to win is not only short-sighted but borderline idiotic... I pvp all the time... have yet to run into what you describe... so chill out... you are taking this way too seriously... Revvy out... this thread got old pretty quick... :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Buffalo-6 wrote:
    its our revenge for Feds spawning in dead and thus can see both sides and using Hazzard emiiters on cloaked klinks, or revenge for the fedballs stacked in a sea of mines, or maybe because klinks have to PvP a lot to even advance (although now we have 3 clusters to explore) and that makes us better at the lower levels?

    Hate to say it.....L2P

    The guys using feds to win for klinks.....lame....and should be flogged for it

    They ain't spawning in dead, they are being owned as soon as they are turn up and not respawning because they are constantly being steamrolled or camped.

    There should be not revenge needed for space combat, its already well know that klingons have the upper hand when it comes to pvp and those tactics you mentioned are viable ways of combating besides, u can't use hazard emitters on klingon ships unless the fed ship is under the influence of sensor scramble.

    Your reasons for revenge are a terrible excuse for the over the top destruction of peoples ground pvp gaming.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The Federation needs to raise its recruitment standards.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    The Federation needs to raise its recruitment standards.

    So do klingons if they think planting spies on the federation side is fair.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So do klingons if they think planting spies on the federation side is fair.

    Are you really that naive?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Wow. You guys totally miss the point of what they were doing.

    Being accutely tired of staring at 3 Fed, 5 Klingon queue for hours on end, they had someone fill the queue so they could get the PVP moving.

    Since everyone gets EXP for winning or losing ... the issues being expressed here likely won't be dealt with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Just in a game, not only were they a premade group who charged straight at us before we could even form a group but two of the people on our side were WORKING for them

    Two of our fed players deliberately let themselves be killed without putting up defense and one even went as far as to saying i'm switching back now.

    Along with the fact all the klingons are tooled up with god knows what, they are going out of their way to spoil ground pvp.

    Something needs to be done, even the simplest adjustment such as adding a countdown to the beginning of battles would help. Apart from that I just have no respect for any ground klingon pvpers if they have to go out of their way to saboutage our gameplay, its just a form of griefing.

    Lets answer you in a way that I can control myself because you need to play kling to see the other side

    1) Feds have premade grd & space grps nothing new there
    2) Feds steam roll also, only last night UK time it was 5 v 2 and we were ganked at log in because the feds were w8 for us
    3) Thats sad and they are no true Klings
    4) "Tooled up with god knows what" bit general there we don't have access to what feds have from quests...all we have is gear from dalies (pvp and pve) and pvp gear which are greens from badges, oh and the exchange but you have access aswell lol
    5) I don't know you and not sure I have ever played against you, which gives you the right to say you have no respect for me because I grd pvp, though I do more space because thats what I like


    What you Feds seem to never understand is all we do is "PVP" with the odd pve joke quest so when you come up against most klings you will lose add that to 5 of us and you will lose badly
    But we do lose and there are some very good Fed PVPER'S, you either need to form a premade yourself because most Feds don't have a clue or improve your own game, also why don't you make a kling to do your pvp'ing with you will see a whole new side to us.
    Lsatly there does seems to be alot more anger towards grd pvp for some reason, I see alot more trash talk in there and a few what I call tinks which are players geared just for grd pvp


    P.s on a number of fights I've come up against fed players whos gear are just way out leveling what klings have at that lvl but it does even out at BG5
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ahh, now I remember why Captain_Danar is on my ignore list.

    Let me help you understand something.
    When you enter in to PvP (Ground or Space) against a pre-formed team, and you side has no cohesion, then it is typically in everyone best interest to end that PvP match as quickly as possible.

    With your example of the Ground PvP match, and the two people you claim are "spies" and are ruining your experience, you should note that those exact two people are the ones who were simply trying to end the match quickly.

    Reasons for doing this can be to:
    - simply hope to get in to another game with no pre-made teams
    - get the rewards from finishing the PvP match (faster the better in terms of rewards per hour)
    - combination of the above, along with forming a team before queuing up again



    Stop soloing out Klingons and individual players. Just because you don't understand a concept doesn't make it wrong.

    I for one would rather lose a match quickly than have it drag out for an hour, when I could have played 5+ matches in that same time frame.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Janko wrote:
    Ahh, now I remember why Captain_Danar is on my ignore list.

    Let me help you understand something.
    When you enter in to PvP (Ground or Space) against a pre-formed team, and you side has no cohesion, then it is typically in everyone best interest to end that PvP match as quickly as possible.

    With your example of the Ground PvP match, and the two people you claim are "spies" and are ruining your experience, you should note that those exact two people are the ones who were simply trying to end the match quickly.

    Reasons for doing this can be to:
    - simply hope to get in to another game with no pre-made teams
    - get the rewards from finishing the PvP match (faster the better in terms of rewards per hour)
    - combination of the above, along with forming a team before queuing up again



    Stop soloing out Klingons and individual players. Just because you don't understand a concept doesn't make it wrong.

    I for one would rather lose a match quickly than have it drag out for an hour, when I could have played 5+ matches in that same time frame.

    You missed out the fact that they actively threw themselves at the klingons then said they were switching back to the klingon side.

    And to those saying they did it for the best..no just NO. I don't need pvp marks I don't need experience, I have the best gear available. I play for the fun of playing I don't want spies coming over to ruin the gaming experience by stopping other federation players getting involved and giving us a chance to fight back.

    I care little for the rewards, the daily for today is for warzones not arena combat.

    There is no jusitifcation for klingons sending spies over to the other side to ruining the game for federation players, none at all.

    A lot of klingon players may have me on ignore now because they know what I say during games is true and they don't like to admit it to themselves. Not only are we hindered by unbalanced sides due to the klingons but they then also have players using weapon disable etc which makes it even worse, not only do we get steamrolled we can't even fight back if we wanted to, this includes the amount of sodding stun beams.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Also the Klingons tend to not need the rewards from the arena battles, they all usually have the best gear and weapons as well, not to mention endless supplies of consumables.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    If this is happening, then what were their names? I think it would be total TRIBBLE if a Fed or Klingon is throwing a match for their team - in ground and space PvP. These people and their fleet should be identified - the community does have the power to police itself in some ways particularly now that fleets are getting more organized for PvP tournaments and other events.

    I ground PvP on both my Fed RA5 and Klingon BG5, my Fed when I need three matches for daily and my Klingon at least 5 nights a week. I know the vast majority of Klingons who ground PvP regularly, and am friended with most of them for making pre-made ground PvP groups. I'd be curious if any of the people you named would be on my list of friends...

    I doubt it.

    I was going to say a few things based on the last few weeks of ground PvPing both sides. This seems as good a spot as any to rant.

    Why Feds Suck.

    It stuns me how little Feds communicate or cooperate in ground PvP. The Federation is filled with some of the most selfish, most egotistical, and some of the dumbest PvPers in the game - and it is a contributing factor why they lose in such a horribly lopsided way in ground PvP so often. Klingons are supposed to be suicidal warriors, but it is generally Federation players who will sprint to fight solo against 5 Klingons. That is just dumb.

    Why is it that when Feds are down 30/0 in a match, some Federation Captain idiot will talk about how he doesn't care and just wants to finish his daily - and throw insults in as part of this conversation? I just bought my registered FRAPs for the sole intention of making these cowardly morons infamous as the people who make STO PvP suck.

    In general, Fed Engineers who are stuck thinking their fortification defenses will hold off the Klingon mass are the epitome of stupid. Any Fed Engineer who doesn't know how to play their toon with any kit as part of a team needs to practice, because staying together is RULE #1 for success. Being Mr. Solo doesn't work. Tactical folks need engineers in their group to tank in ground PvP, running off to build a fort on some map is not productive.

    How is it even possible that there is such a thing as the "Fed Ball" in space PvP when in ground PvP Feds are always off running by themselves? WTF!?! You would think Feds would be better at grouping in ground - but nope.

    It amazes me how often I have to start the team when playing Fed in ground PvP - and actually space PvP too. It is at the moment a team is formed I can predict whether the match will be competitive or not with 95% accuracy. If teamwork means something to the group, that group will have success. If it doesn't, that group is going to get pounded into dust. I almost never join any PvP map anymore on my Klingon without being in a Pre-made - and only do so with my Fed because I so rarely play a Fed and don't know anyone. Feds who PvP but are part of a fleet that doesn't group need to find a better fleet - because good Fed fleets exist.

    The Fed ground PvP community is fairly small - I know this because I compete against these folks daily. If the good folks among the masses were friended and created premade groups, you guys would have more fun and be much more competitive.

    You moral minority need to quit pretending like there is some unmentioned code of ethics in ground PvP. When the odds are 5v1, you kill the 1 as often as possible. You camp the spawn location for Klingons. You throw everything you can and run the score up as high as possible as fast as possible and if someone complains, you ignore it. I do not apologize for giving Federation Captains a dirtnap in ground PvP when playing on my Klingon, and there is no way I'm going to apologize to a Klingon for kicking their butt. Klingons show no mercy and shoot for 40/0 matches regardless of the odds - even when outnumbered. The Federation needs to find that type of competitive spirit if you ever plan on winning against good competition.

    Learn the importance of speed in ground PvP. When it is time, move fast. Otherwise, be crouched and learn to roll effectively. There is a time to shoot and a time to be the guy poised to hit the first target who comes through the door. Tactics matter in ground PvP, and sitting at your own spawn spot next to the engineers shield generator is the fastest way to be covered in plasma and licking your own blood off the floor 10 seconds later.

    Why Klingons Suck.

    When you lose, you act just like the Feds you complain about. Klingons are so used to winning that they behave like a bunch of pregnant Romulan women when they get beat in ground PvP. Guess what, get over it. There are more Fed ground PvPers than Klingon PvPers - something we couldn't say just a few weeks ago. Some - a few - of the new Fed ground PvPers know how to fight. Better competition for Klingons is good for ground PvP. I am personally very pleased I am actually getting killed in matches on Semtuk again - it used to take me over a week to complete that stupid "It's a good day to die" mission.

    The queue system sucks, we all know it. Lately I have noticed 5 Feds will spawn in and only 2 Klingons will make it. Well, my Fed team will not suck if I have anything to do with it, so we run up the score. After dieing a few matches, too many Klingons will then quit the match. Well, within 5 minutes we usually kill different Klingons over and over and over, and those games rarely ever find a 5v5, even though 15 Klingons may come and go. If you die and don't want to be outnumbered 5v1 or 5v2, simply stay dead and wait 5 minutes. Go make yourself a coke, a beer, or a Jack and more Klingons will come. Bailing should be the last option, because most of the time there are enough players that help will eventually come - and usually they come right after you leave.

    There are a bunch of new name newbies in Klingon ground PvP who act like idiots. They are not named Surgery, Necco, Klunk, K'Tana, Nene, Vicki, Selda, Morbo, and almost certainly are not part of the Vixon Fleet (who all rock). I also exclude CHC - who are fun group of new faces in ground PvP.

    You Klingon newbs need to get your act together. Quit playing like Feds and quit whining like Feds. Stay grouped and watch your partners back. In STO PvP, despite the absence of good mechanics for supporting teamwork, there is an enormous difference between teams that work together towards watching each others back and teams that do not. Stun that guy beating up on your teammate - that stun shot is more important to winning than leading your team in damage. Too many of you newbs think ground PvP is about damage. If you believe that, you almost certainly suck in ground PvP.

    As for the OP - I'm sorry this happens. Your generalization of Klingon ground PvPers hurts your argument though. Not all Klingons are the same, and by no means are all Feds the same. Please find better context for your complaints, and be more specific. Name fleets if you can't name players - because fleet leaders will slowly be getting more power in the game to police the PvP community as organized events become more popular.

    It will happen even more when the PvP community finally finds an internet presence somewhere besides this forum.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So this guy has the best gear available, the very same gear available to the klingons, and he is complaining that the klingons have better gear?

    Are we even playing the same game?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Shaun421 wrote: »
    So this guy has the best gear available, the very same gear available to the klingons, and he is complaining that the klingons have better gear?

    Are we even playing the same game?

    Did I say anything about having a problem with them having the best gear available? I'm complaing about the fact they have all this gear yet they are still using these dispictable tactics to win and they are quite clearly doing it to ruin the gaming of feds. Also having to use stun beams and weapon disable to fight out geared/outnumbered foes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Also having to use stun beams and weapon disable to fight out geared/outnumbered foes.

    It is clear this game is too hard for you. Carebears Online is recruiting.

    I don't care if 5 tactical guys each summons a security team to gank your butt 20v1 - providing you a chance to win is not the responsibility of your enemies. That you appear to believe otherwise tells the rest of us all we need to know about you.

    *hands you a tissue for the tears*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    They ain't spawning in dead, they are being owned as soon as they are turn up and not respawning because they are constantly being steamrolled or camped.

    There should be not revenge needed for space combat, its already well know that klingons have the upper hand when it comes to pvp and those tactics you mentioned are viable ways of combating besides, u can't use hazard emitters on klingon ships unless the fed ship is under the influence of sensor scramble.

    Your reasons for revenge are a terrible excuse for the over the top destruction of peoples ground pvp gaming.


    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Kwoance"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Darksided wrote: »
    If this is happening, then what were their names? I think it would be total TRIBBLE if a Fed or Klingon is throwing a match for their team - in ground and space PvP. These people and their fleet should be identified - the community does have the power to police itself in some ways particularly now that fleets are getting more organized for PvP tournaments and other events.

    That is against the posting rules for Cryptic Forums.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    the only thing ive run into in ground pvp is both fed and klink running up on my spawn point and zerging me before i even get a chance to see where i am. they do need a countdown as far as that switching back thing is concerned yeah they need to pick a side and stick with it. i would have reported the one who said he was switching back.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    That is against the posting rules for Cryptic Forums.

    Doesn't surprise me.

    Another reason why the PvP community for this game needs to find someplace besides this forum to discuss PvP issues.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Darksided wrote: »
    Doesn't surprise me.

    Another reason why the PvP community for this game needs to find someplace besides this forum to discuss PvP issues.

    I agree. I can totally understand the desire to police certain behaviors among a PVP community. And because of that I sometimes find myself really disagreeing with Cryptic's policy regarding "naming names."

    But I thought I should at least point out their rules, so folks don't get infraction points and wonder where they came from. I ran into this a lot on the Champions forums. So having the benefit of that experience ... I thought I'd share.

    :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    gnobber wrote:
    the only thing ive run into in ground pvp is both fed and klink running up on my spawn point and zerging me before i even get a chance to see where i am. they do need a countdown as far as that switching back thing is concerned yeah they need to pick a side and stick with it. i would have reported the one who said he was switching back.


    Thats usually because we are on our way to someplace else (at least on teams I am on) and a fed pops right up in front of us. I have not been on teams camping spawn points, but it may happen.

    Last night a fed and I blasted each other into component atoms and spawned facing each other nose to nose sooo....we blasted each other into component atoms and spawned facing each other nose to nose and we then blasted each other into component atoms.....and finally spawned in different places.....where I got rolled by 3 feds......stuff happens, roll with it or perish.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Darksided wrote: »
    Doesn't surprise me.

    Another reason why the PvP community for this game needs to find someplace besides this forum to discuss PvP issues.

    Why.....no GM or Dev has stepped foot in here since at least Feb 2nd or something........its like they are ignoring us or something :D
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