silly question since boredom in not measurable in any real way , I could be bored today log off and come back in 2 days and not be bored , when you let games run your life you are way to emotional attached and need to back off. if your boerd of an entertainment mead then there something wrong hence don't play hence move on hence I have had one to many martians its my partner's birthday.... but still its silly to ask an open ended question , but I like your avatar so your still OK in my book peace..............
Actually, as someone invited me to a Corp today, that VERY thought came to mind "I wonder how many other STO players came back. Maybe we should make a corp!".
"STO Refugees" lollol
SERIOUSLY, you should come back! I just started a new toon, and already I'm loving all the things they've done with the previous two expansions. CCP is a solid developer, and the universe is vast. In any case, in my opinion the biggest draw to EVE is the way it foster community and cooperation, so if you're in and amongst friends, it can be loads of fun. We can do exploration together in low sec space. Come onnn! I'm an Amarrian, Rytha Main... hit her upp!
SEVEN titans got downed last night?! Serious?! Shikes man... I'm surprised I havem't heard about it on the major content sites yet! I heard that each one roughly costs $10,000 dollars each to build and take several months to complete. yeow, I bet people cried last night.
Actually...STO got me to try Eve, and Im loving it. Only about 3 million SP so far, so still have a LOT of learning to do (and I don't mean just skill points, lol).
Actually...STO got me to try Eve, and Im loving it. Only about 3 million SP so far, so still have a LOT of learning to do (and I don't mean just skill points, lol).
Oh...and Im corp-less at the moment...lol
I havent tried EVE yet.. I may.
...but lotro got my attention.... and playtime
there's lots to do over on the other side of this fence.....
Eve does not appeal to the masses, its a sandbox game.
Agreed.
It's a much more visually appealing game than STO and the core mechanics of the game are more interesting but the game just doesn't grab you since you have to eventually figure out what you're going to do where as other games pretty much push you the whole time.
I have a year old toon on EVE (Aven Valkyr) that I will be resubbing on friday. This game is totally weak in comparison. The dev's of this game are gonna hear a lot about eve in the near future, as STO fans slowly but surely turn away fromt he childish gameplay and lack of content and extremely small universe in which to explore. My toon has 17 mil SP and a hardcore logistics pilot, but just got into flyin a hac. haven't played in 2 years but I also have a trial toon to see how the game is going. I have a couple complaints but nothign compareds to this game.
I have played Eve and I can say it blows chunks. Sure, it's pretty but other than that, it is nothing but spreadsheet and greifers online. The ships are nothing if not generic and sure you got full 3D movement but after really fast the novelty wears off. Oh well, to each their own I suppose.
I have played Eve and I can say it blows chunks. Sure, it's pretty but other than that, it is nothing but spreadsheet and greifers online. The ships are nothing if not generic and sure you got full 3D movement but after really fast the novelty wears off. Oh well, to each their own I suppose.
Yea, but i have not listened to you since you posted -
Wow did more harm to gaming than good. There are a lot of properties out there that would make good MMOs but WOW killed that chance at innovation. Wow is a success but to say it perfected the MMO. Not by a long shot.
Yea, but i have not listened to you since you posted -
Your idea of a good game is what exactly?
You bring up a different post from a different topic. How interesting. I was talking about eve in this thread and then you bring up a post dealing with me talking about how WOW killed innovations in MMOs.
First off, to answer your question please specify single player, multiplayer, or MMO or all of them.
You want me to describe for you how wow killed mmo innovation I will be happy to do that too.
Want me to describe how Eve is a niche game, I can do that too. Pick your poison.
Of course all your posts seems to be about you trying to get people to go to Eve. I remember you posting that once. So wouldn't that mean you are biased anyway?
Boring is a subjective concept. What bores you might entrall me and vice-versa. Since your an LTS member the best thing you can do is a take a long break from the game. Find something else to play for a couple of months. I subscribe to several MMOs so that I can skip around and side-step game overload when it sets in. Variety is the spice of life.
Big thumbs up for this one. I'm a lifer here, and in LOTRO and check in on GW from time to time.
I saw him making comments on one of my friends on Facebook, Rhianna Pratchett, I was tempted to say "hi, I bought hellgate lifetime subscription" or something... the state of STO has hardly redeemed him it's a bit like being Flagshipped all over again... it feels like no one learns anything from previous mistakes or others' good ideas (Tabula Rasa ground combat) in the games industry... obviously <-- I am all for giving people second chances, I am just still hoping Cryptic turns this mess around really. Exclude the spaceshippy part of the game [which by the way while I am not so much interested in is still far more fun than the shameless dorkery of "EVE" Numbers/Statistics Online!!]), pretend the space part isn't there ok? now look at the rest: argh, when you have played stuff like fallout 3 or mass effect it's like you are going back like 20 years in gaming how bad the writing and lack of characters is... another reason why the characters are so bad I guess is they have to use the same face for everyone there's like 2 different face skins lol then just make minor shape changes
Eve sucks. It had about 5 thousand people a few years ago playing. Now it is good and it has a half a million.
Sto is better than eve was at the beginning. Ergo, stay with STO because it will be better than Even in a few more years..
Yeah this is what I am bargaining on, I just hope I turn out right. Even if I stop playing now (note not actually leaving obviously with the LTS) at least I can say I tried to help influence it better rather than the lazier option where I could've just left it on release and tried it out later then I would probably regret not making input when it was still formative if it wasn't what I hoped
Actually...STO got me to try Eve, and Im loving it. Only about 3 million SP so far, so still have a LOT of learning to do (and I don't mean just skill points, lol).
Oh...and Im corp-less at the moment...lol
3m sp!!! Geez, you've been playing for a few months now already then yea?? I just started a new trial account and I'm at barely 200k SP, hah.
Anyway, which empire did you roll? And we should totally hang out in game. EVE is really fun when you play with people. I'm corpless at the moment too, as due to the amount of choice and depth the corp system has, there is pleennnty for me to catch up on before i join a corp. But anyway, lets meet up!
I havent tried EVE yet.. I may.
...but lotro got my attention.... and playtime
there's lots to do over on the other side of this fence.....
... fence was giving me splinters anyway.
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LotRO is a good MMO, so everyone tells me. Turbine is a quality producer, and thus far LotRO has been winning awards. If anything it's following the same design philosophy as CCP in that they take their time to produce quality content and products and don't release them until they are industry ready and polished.
But seriously, if you need a sci-fi fix, hop on over to EVE. Its VERY different from most MMO's, but pretty solid, and it seems you'd have a bunch of STO refugees to play with, lol.
silly question since boredom in not measurable in any real way , I could be bored today log off and come back in 2 days and not be bored , when you let games run your life you are way to emotional attached and need to back off. if your boerd of an entertainment mead then there something wrong hence don't play hence move on hence I have had one to many martians its my partner's birthday....
oh yeah that's what I mean really, I have just been making sure to at least try make voice heard did the survey posted around participated in chat a bit to make sure I've at least done something before I go "ok I'll check back later" it's not like that at all really, I just don't like wasting money (ok even when it's not technically mine tho I still think bfs should be counted as property legally haha) and well the potential of this was really great so it's a bit sad really that they seemed to just produce it to a "mmo" mould rather than trying to make something original and interesting with depth of story and interaction.... faces don't even have expressions god, I mean come on this is 2010 if you ignore the space part there is no reason to play this game over games like mass effect or fallout 3... they feel like they have infinitely more attention to detail and ATMOSPHERE...
the thing that is supposed to make this different from those games, the social side, is certainly practically nonexistent due to missions that basically reward you for not teaming by giving you your mission end skillpoints quicker (which means its hard to find people who actually want to, everyone seems to solo JUST LIKE HELLGATE LONDON its done exactly the same way this stupid "instance" thing which segregates people, even in explicitly social areas which is completely ridiculous, how come city of heroes can manage to not do this [meaning you see a lot of variety of people on the streets and get more of a chance to see cool character creations, in comparison to the ghost quiet stations on STO which are mostly populated by NPCs] but not STO)...
but still its silly to ask an open ended question , but I like your avatar so your still OK in my book peace..............
I think they are the best kind you are more likely to get an interesting answer than if you ask something that can be answered with yes/no or other simple questions, I think this thread is a good testament to that really there's been relatively little trolling well, apart from the Spreadsheet Online fanboys Maybe we should do what the official chat room www.startrekonline.com/chat does and ban people on who are on the eve online "channel" at the same time (in this case forum) since they only come here to troll and post advertisements rather than anything at all constructive...
Thats the thing, I played WOW for a while and that was boring, and extremely repetitive. I also played galaxies for a long time, over a year pre-cu when it was very good, though the Galactic Civil War didn't really work, and apart from a couple of instances you'd be amazed how shooting Squills and Boccatts can be fun while at the same extremeley repetitive.
At least on STO we actually have some storylines, and story driven missions, which is a really nice change for me; as long as they keep this up i'll be happy,
3m sp!!! Geez, you've been playing for a few months now already then yea?? I just started a new trial account and I'm at barely 200k SP, hah.
Anyway, which empire did you roll? And we should totally hang out in game. EVE is really fun when you play with people. I'm corpless at the moment too, as due to the amount of choice and depth the corp system has, there is pleennnty for me to catch up on before i join a corp. But anyway, lets meet up!
Right now I fly in Amarr!
LotRO is a good MMO, so everyone tells me. Turbine is a quality producer, and thus far LotRO has been winning awards. If anything it's following the same design philosophy as CCP in that they take their time to produce quality content and products and don't release them until they are industry ready and polished.
But seriously, if you need a sci-fi fix, hop on over to EVE. Its VERY different from most MMO's, but pretty solid, and it seems you'd have a bunch of STO refugees to play with, lol.
What empire are you apart of? We should meet up in game!
As an old TRIBBLE of EVE, may i suggest with Amarrian based skills you will make an AWESOME mission runner. Get your Armour tanking skills......Beams and Pulse laser skills and grab yowself a Harbinger and you will be fine in up to lvl3 missions.......get yourself a cheap geddon and you will be able to manage lvl 4 missions in a little over a month.
Nice money but meh you can earn a lot more else where.
If you go Caldari....mmmmmmmm you could be in a fully T2 shield tanking drake that will EASY handle lvl 4 missions in a few weeks quicker than you could if you go amarrian skills route.
Tractor beam/ Salvagers are just without doubt the most important mods you should get as a mission runner as the salvagers will almost double you iskies and the tractor beam will help you mop them all up quicker.
You prob might not want this advice but I can only go on experience......had someone told ME all this when I started EVE man oh man I would not have wasted so much time.
Oh yeah.....lastly don't forget your learning skills and ALWAYS have an updated clone........um yeah and always have a back up ship ready fitted just in case you lose your only means of income due to some surprise spawn or suicide ganker
Well after 2 months I found that besides exploration missions there is 2 raids to do. At least in WoW there are all the dungeons you can do as well as any raids you can get yourself into.
But here? .......(Crickets)..........
Will come back in a couple months and see how things are going. But for now, there is nothing really to do besides pointless grind.
3m sp!!! Geez, you've been playing for a few months now already then yea?? I just started a new trial account and I'm at barely 200k SP, hah.
Anyway, which empire did you roll? And we should totally hang out in game. EVE is really fun when you play with people. I'm corpless at the moment too, as due to the amount of choice and depth the corp system has, there is pleennnty for me to catch up on before i join a corp. But anyway, lets meet up!
Right now I fly in Amarr!
LotRO is a good MMO, so everyone tells me. Turbine is a quality producer, and thus far LotRO has been winning awards. If anything it's following the same design philosophy as CCP in that they take their time to produce quality content and products and don't release them until they are industry ready and polished.
But seriously, if you need a sci-fi fix, hop on over to EVE. Its VERY different from most MMO's, but pretty solid, and it seems you'd have a bunch of STO refugees to play with, lol.
What empire are you apart of? We should meet up in game!
Gallente, same name as on these forums. Flying a Thorax, but just bought a Myrmidon.
oh yeah that's what I mean really, I have just been making sure to at least try make voice heard did the survey posted around participated in chat a bit to make sure I've at least done something before I go "ok I'll check back later" it's not like that at all really, I just don't like wasting money (ok even when it's not technically mine tho I still think bfs should be counted as property legally haha) and well the potential of this was really great so it's a bit sad really that they seemed to just produce it to a "mmo" mould rather than trying to make something original and interesting with depth of story and interaction.... faces don't even have expressions god, I mean come on this is 2010 if you ignore the space part there is no reason to play this game over games like mass effect or fallout 3... they feel like they have infinitely more attention to detail and ATMOSPHERE...
the thing that is supposed to make this different from those games, the social side, is certainly practically nonexistent due to missions that basically reward you for not teaming by giving you your mission end skillpoints quicker (which means its hard to find people who actually want to, everyone seems to solo JUST LIKE HELLGATE LONDON its done exactly the same way this stupid "instance" thing which segregates people, even in explicitly social areas which is completely ridiculous, how come city of heroes can manage to not do this [meaning you see a lot of variety of people on the streets and get more of a chance to see cool character creations, in comparison to the ghost quiet stations on STO which are mostly populated by NPCs] but not STO)...
I think they are the best kind you are more likely to get an interesting answer than if you ask something that can be answered with yes/no or other simple questions, I think this thread is a good testament to that really there's been relatively little trolling well, apart from the Spreadsheet Online fanboys Maybe we should do what the official chat room www.startrekonline.com/chat does and ban people on who are on the eve online "channel" at the same time (in this case forum) since they only come here to troll and post advertisements rather than anything at all constructive...
To the first part...
Games based on strong, third party, IPs that have a large, loyal, and borderline rabid, fan base tend to make bad to mediocre games.
Think of all the really good games that have come along over the years, the ones people remember fondly, that sold well, that got great reviews. How many of them are, or were based on cherished IPs?
Now, think of those that were based on such IPs, and how most are viewed.
Blizzard was successful, in part, because it was their own IP. The had full control. They could, and have, done anything they want with it. They had to answer to nobody other than their subscribers. People love to talk about ME/ME2, same deal.
It is nearly impossible to meet the expectations of a fan base than has existed for decades AND make a *game* that gamers will enjoy. Read through these forums, how many critical threads are there with positive replies that have some variation of "Im staying/love it/enjoy it/etc *because* it is Star Trek". As much as those posters think that is some kind of a positive statement, it is actually quite damming. The reciprocal is "if it wasn't Star Trek I wouldn't still be playing". In other words, it isn't that the game is good, but that they simply love the IP.
What does *that* say about STO?
As for the last paragraph, don't worry most of us wont be here when our subs run out.
I really don't understand why some admins get upset over posting in old threads, when it's relevant. The point of a forum is asynchronous communication, right?
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Michelle, I never understood why people have such a big problem with it.[..]
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If it adds something useful that's fine[..]
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Waking up threads that are still relevant does not cause me confusion. [..] Of course one should not wake up threads unless there is a reason. Such as asking a question or new information relevant to the thread.
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[..] I don't know why someone would get all uppity about it.
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The regulars (and even admins/mods) on some forums like to give newbs a hard time about resurrecting old threads. But, It's no big deal to me. [..]
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I think the only people who have problems with this are lousy admins who have lousy staff. If you have mods and staff doing their job, this is of no concern.
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I don't have a problem with "extreme" thread bumps when the response is worthwhile.
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It all depends on the thread. If the conversation can be carried on smoothly, then I'm all for reviving old threads.
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It depends entirely on the members ability to use common sense but I really do not like closed threads for keeping track of some information. Especially the auto lock after 6 months.
If the members are planing anything long term like a physical meeting of members 18 months from now and the thread gets closed when it becomes 6 months old it causes much frustration.
Or a long term research project where people give updates every few months.
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If the reply has some relevence I have no issues with it[..]
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[..]I've seen one or two that closed old threads automatically, but I believe that discourages some additional worthwhile posting. People don't always start a new thread about an old thread, if they can't post in the old thread.
I think some people just instinctively attack anything different from the norm in a kneejerk reaction even if it's a better way of doing things. Herd mentality.
Why make a new thread when one already exists, and if the stuff in the old one is still relevant? It's just tradition for the sake of tradition...
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Actually...STO got me to try Eve, and Im loving it. Only about 3 million SP so far, so still have a LOT of learning to do (and I don't mean just skill points, lol).
Oh...and Im corp-less at the moment...lol
I havent tried EVE yet.. I may.
...but lotro got my attention.... and playtime
there's lots to do over on the other side of this fence.....
... fence was giving me splinters anyway.
.
Agreed.
It's a much more visually appealing game than STO and the core mechanics of the game are more interesting but the game just doesn't grab you since you have to eventually figure out what you're going to do where as other games pretty much push you the whole time.
Dude, it totally rocks- and get this-
You can fly in any direction you like, as if you were in a spaceship!!
Even straight up and down!!!
Yea, but i have not listened to you since you posted -
Your idea of a good game is what exactly?
You bring up a different post from a different topic. How interesting. I was talking about eve in this thread and then you bring up a post dealing with me talking about how WOW killed innovations in MMOs.
First off, to answer your question please specify single player, multiplayer, or MMO or all of them.
You want me to describe for you how wow killed mmo innovation I will be happy to do that too.
Want me to describe how Eve is a niche game, I can do that too. Pick your poison.
Of course all your posts seems to be about you trying to get people to go to Eve. I remember you posting that once. So wouldn't that mean you are biased anyway?
And why do we need three threads on this?
Big thumbs up for this one. I'm a lifer here, and in LOTRO and check in on GW from time to time.
Pizza every day = boring.
Go read a book.
Just bought Mass Effect 2 so very much looking forward to that instead!!!!:D:D:D
I saw him making comments on one of my friends on Facebook, Rhianna Pratchett, I was tempted to say "hi, I bought hellgate lifetime subscription" or something... the state of STO has hardly redeemed him
Yeah this is what I am bargaining on, I just hope I turn out right. Even if I stop playing now (note not actually leaving obviously with the LTS) at least I can say I tried to help influence it better rather than the lazier option where I could've just left it on release and tried it out later then I would probably regret not making input when it was still formative if it wasn't what I hoped
lol, I don't play every day, and I do read books actually, since primary school (yeah adult size novels hehe, I was weird
3m sp!!! Geez, you've been playing for a few months now already then yea?? I just started a new trial account and I'm at barely 200k SP, hah.
Anyway, which empire did you roll? And we should totally hang out in game. EVE is really fun when you play with people. I'm corpless at the moment too, as due to the amount of choice and depth the corp system has, there is pleennnty for me to catch up on before i join a corp. But anyway, lets meet up!
Right now I fly in Amarr!
LotRO is a good MMO, so everyone tells me. Turbine is a quality producer, and thus far LotRO has been winning awards. If anything it's following the same design philosophy as CCP in that they take their time to produce quality content and products and don't release them until they are industry ready and polished.
But seriously, if you need a sci-fi fix, hop on over to EVE. Its VERY different from most MMO's, but pretty solid, and it seems you'd have a bunch of STO refugees to play with, lol.
What empire are you apart of? We should meet up in game!
the thing that is supposed to make this different from those games, the social side, is certainly practically nonexistent due to missions that basically reward you for not teaming by giving you your mission end skillpoints quicker (which means its hard to find people who actually want to, everyone seems to solo JUST LIKE HELLGATE LONDON its done exactly the same way this stupid "instance" thing which segregates people, even in explicitly social areas which is completely ridiculous, how come city of heroes can manage to not do this [meaning you see a lot of variety of people on the streets and get more of a chance to see cool character creations, in comparison to the ghost quiet stations on STO which are mostly populated by NPCs] but not STO)...
I think they are the best kind you are more likely to get an interesting answer than if you ask something that can be answered with yes/no or other simple questions, I think this thread is a good testament to that really there's been relatively little trolling
Thats the thing, I played WOW for a while and that was boring, and extremely repetitive. I also played galaxies for a long time, over a year pre-cu when it was very good, though the Galactic Civil War didn't really work, and apart from a couple of instances you'd be amazed how shooting Squills and Boccatts can be fun while at the same extremeley repetitive.
At least on STO we actually have some storylines, and story driven missions, which is a really nice change for me; as long as they keep this up i'll be happy,
As an old TRIBBLE of EVE, may i suggest with Amarrian based skills you will make an AWESOME mission runner. Get your Armour tanking skills......Beams and Pulse laser skills and grab yowself a Harbinger and you will be fine in up to lvl3 missions.......get yourself a cheap geddon and you will be able to manage lvl 4 missions in a little over a month.
Nice money but meh you can earn a lot more else where.
If you go Caldari....mmmmmmmm you could be in a fully T2 shield tanking drake that will EASY handle lvl 4 missions in a few weeks quicker than you could if you go amarrian skills route.
Tractor beam/ Salvagers are just without doubt the most important mods you should get as a mission runner as the salvagers will almost double you iskies and the tractor beam will help you mop them all up quicker.
You prob might not want this advice but I can only go on experience......had someone told ME all this when I started EVE man oh man I would not have wasted so much time.
Oh yeah.....lastly don't forget your learning skills and ALWAYS have an updated clone........um yeah and always have a back up ship ready fitted just in case you lose your only means of income due to some surprise spawn or suicide ganker
But here? .......(Crickets)..........
Will come back in a couple months and see how things are going. But for now, there is nothing really to do besides pointless grind.
Have fun.
Gallente, same name as on these forums. Flying a Thorax, but just bought a Myrmidon.
To the first part...
Games based on strong, third party, IPs that have a large, loyal, and borderline rabid, fan base tend to make bad to mediocre games.
Think of all the really good games that have come along over the years, the ones people remember fondly, that sold well, that got great reviews. How many of them are, or were based on cherished IPs?
Now, think of those that were based on such IPs, and how most are viewed.
Blizzard was successful, in part, because it was their own IP. The had full control. They could, and have, done anything they want with it. They had to answer to nobody other than their subscribers. People love to talk about ME/ME2, same deal.
It is nearly impossible to meet the expectations of a fan base than has existed for decades AND make a *game* that gamers will enjoy. Read through these forums, how many critical threads are there with positive replies that have some variation of "Im staying/love it/enjoy it/etc *because* it is Star Trek". As much as those posters think that is some kind of a positive statement, it is actually quite damming. The reciprocal is "if it wasn't Star Trek I wouldn't still be playing". In other words, it isn't that the game is good, but that they simply love the IP.
What does *that* say about STO?
As for the last paragraph, don't worry most of us wont be here when our subs run out.
New adventure every queue.
Good for you. Stop necroing. It's starting to smell in here.
Making a new thread about an issue when a thread already exists for it would be far less constructive than using the official thread in this section.
adminaddict.net/forum/general-community-discussion/1-975 I think some people just instinctively attack anything different from the norm in a kneejerk reaction even if it's a better way of doing things. Herd mentality.
Why make a new thread when one already exists, and if the stuff in the old one is still relevant? It's just tradition for the sake of tradition...