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Greetings to my fellow Trekkies.
I am having a bridge party to Celebrate my recent promotion with several friends on my list. Aside from trying to get some Romulan Ale for the occasion, I am trying to configure my music player to where every one that comes to my bridge can hear it.
I have created my play list on I-tunes and so far I am the only one who can hear it. Is there a way to acomplish this? Or is Cryptic going to have to consider making this an available option in the future?
Also, Is it possible to upload my playlist to the web where everyone can access it and it plays through thier music player?
Imagine what it would do for the STO and the social factor "in-game". We are the Star Trek community. If it can be done, we are the ones to do it. Thank all of you for your consideration of this matter.

PS. I have a large guest list, and music would at least make the occasion very nice. Thanx again

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Have to do it outside the game. Use icecast or something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.

    Sad but true, I have wanted this in so many games including WoW. You know, to DJ a guild party after a tough raid or something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.

    Actually you guys could probably drive up the 880 to oakland and talk to the folks at Pandora.
    Im sure they would allow you you build Pandora player into your client if you asked nice.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.

    Do you think you could set up an iTunes style arrangement with the C-Store, in partnership with the studios, to cover music royalties? That might be a C-Store option. Though it would be simpler to make the music player more intelligent, if we could specify tracks we own to play on certain encounters. (Ie. replace combat music with MP3 named "Battle01.mp3" in a custom music folder and we place and rename a file we own a copy of there. It would just be for us though.)

    You might be able to to do some things with public domain recordings but the legal differences between the PD in the countries you operate in would create restrictions. And bloat the client.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Besides the Pandora idea... sadly I don't like it so much since they added commercials... it'd be drastically mind ripping to hear a commercial about some random male enhancement drug while playing STO...

    I think a better choice would be for someone with a passion for internet broadcasting to actually create a STO radio station or two... my suggestion would be one for Feds and one for Klingons.

    I gotta tell ya... I'd sign up to DJ a time slot for both sides.

    It'd give Fleets a place to host recruiting commercials... we could have state of the Galaxy news reports...

    And there really are only a few rules that would have to be followed under the DMCA. It's not too oppressive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NCSoft tried something similar in Lineage2, but was forced to shut it down due to copyrights.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The fact that you actually responded so fast, Im honored. Thank you. The ideas that all of you gave were nothing less than what I expected. Outstanding. I understand the situation much better now. I also hear possibility in your comments. I will do the best i can for now, but i have a feeling, there will be a way. I really like the DJ idea, and PR for fleets. You guys are truly the best. Cryptic has gotten me closer than i have ever been to living a dream, and thats my association and participation with the Star Trek Universe. Thats enough to hold me until we see our way clear on this. Again Thank all of you for your response so fast.

    coderanger wrote:
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Nack wrote:
    Actually you guys could probably drive up the 880 to oakland and talk to the folks at Pandora.
    Im sure they would allow you you build Pandora player into your client if you asked nice.
    We've looked into that before with both Pandora and Last, they were sympathetic but in this legal climate it just isn't worth the (huge) risk. As for doing some kind of music store, I don't think thats a business we really want to get in to for similar reasons. Putting in general shoutcast support is something I've looked at before, but it turns out to be a bit non-trivial. If it is something you are interested in, sound off on the Engineering Reports section so we can gauge how many people would want it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    We've looked into that before with both Pandora and Last, they were sympathetic but in this legal climate it just isn't worth the (huge) risk. As for doing some kind of music store, I don't think thats a business we really want to get in to for similar reasons. Putting in general shoutcast support is something I've looked at before, but it turns out to be a bit non-trivial. If it is something you are interested in, sound off on the Engineering Reports section so we can gauge how many people would want it.

    I'd love to see Pandora, but I can understand why that would be difficult.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    We've looked into that before with both Pandora and Last, they were sympathetic but in this legal climate it just isn't worth the (huge) risk. As for doing some kind of music store, I don't think thats a business we really want to get in to for similar reasons. Putting in general shoutcast support is something I've looked at before, but it turns out to be a bit non-trivial. If it is something you are interested in, sound off on the Engineering Reports section so we can gauge how many people would want it.

    Another problem is that Pandora and Last.fm are both US-only...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    What does it take to get a radio station (or "radio station", rather) hooked into iTunes? I just tested it right now, and can play the radio selections through iTunes, and therefore can play "radio" through the in-game music player. The meta tags for the song titles don't pop up right, but the station name displays where the song title normally shows up.

    For example, I can play SubSpace-Radio.net through iTunes... I'm not sure what one has to do in order to set up a radio station though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.

    How about allowing us to edit the in-game playlist? I like most of the music. But there is one piece of exploration music I really, really can't stand. (First, it sounds like some horrible attempt at opera crossed with a music box. Second, the overall tone is more like combat music - it's *way* too intense for scooting around scanning asteroids.) At present, the only viable solution is to disable the in-game music completely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I am a professional singer/songwriter with several songs registered with BMI and The Library of Congress for the purpose of Copyright protection. As an artist, what we try to accomplish with these laws is simply that we don’t lose money that we deserve from our intellectual/creative property.
    Here's the thing, if our song is aired by a medium such as broadcasting or downloaded illegally, or presented for the purpose of "making a profit" this is a problem.

    In this situation, I refer you back to the original request. "Using the medium you have already provided, which is "I-tunes" or what ever, having the capability to simply play music that we have already "purchased" on the bridge of our ships for guest where they can hear your song list.

    Copyright laws allow for the customer to play their "purchased music' in any environment they choose. Especially parties. No one is attempting to sell music or play it not having purchased it. ITunes will only function through a legal format. There are other chats such as "Pal talk" where the host is able to play their music for who ever is in that particular chat room.

    If you did the broadcast idea that was offered, then cryptic WOULD be required to pay royalties for that type of media. However for private use on your personal bridge with a few friends, that’s different. If you were broadcasting from that bridge and everyone in STO could hear it, that would be a totally different animal. "Private use" is the key word here.

    Now unless you have laws dealing with you as a corporation providing such a medium please, I really would like to learn about this. You have already provided us with the ability to access our I-tunes player in game. I'm simply asking for a button that will allow it to be played in a localized fashion on my bridge. (That no one can enter without an invitation mind you.)

    I was so blown away that someone from Cryptic actually responded to me, I couldn’t think about all this before. Let me compliment you guys on the best Star Trek game I ever played. Whether you can pull this off or not, please know, I'm already grateful for what you have given all of us. Thank you again for your response.

    coderanger wrote:
    We've looked into that before with both Pandora and Last, they were sympathetic but in this legal climate it just isn't worth the (huge) risk. As for doing some kind of music store, I don't think thats a business we really want to get in to for similar reasons. Putting in general shoutcast support is something I've looked at before, but it turns out to be a bit non-trivial. If it is something you are interested in, sound off on the Engineering Reports section so we can gauge how many people would want
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    coderanger wrote:
    We've looked into that before with both Pandora and Last, they were sympathetic but in this legal climate it just isn't worth the (huge) risk. As for doing some kind of music store, I don't think thats a business we really want to get in to for similar reasons. Putting in general shoutcast support is something I've looked at before, but it turns out to be a bit non-trivial. If it is something you are interested in, sound off on the Engineering Reports section so we can gauge how many people would want it.

    What about the idea of expanding the music player to intelligently play tracks.

    Ie. A custom music folder. Drop MP3s into Battle, Investigation, Bridge, Starbase, etc. sub-folders? Admittedly, that's just for YOU but the biggest drawback of the current music player for me is that it doesn't always mesh well with what's going on as well as the in-game music does. But I do have a number of Trek soundtracks I could grab some MP3s off of.

    Likewise, if somebody wants to play Radiohead for Investigation content and Metallica for combat, that works too. Or Miles David for Exploration and Rod Stewart for combat. Or whatever.

    Me, personally, I'd play the Klingon theme for Combat, the suite from "The Visitor" for Investigation, "The Inner Light" for Exploration, the music from "The Drumhead" (I think) for starbases, etc. I have the MP3s. If I could play them without being stuck on Shuffle, I'd be happy. I think this type of feature has been implimented in other games with intelligent scores.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That would be nice also. I guess my effort here is if i am having some friends over to my bridge, I simply want my MP# player to be heard by them so i can entertain my guest on my bridge and set the mood. Its that simple. I like your idea too.

    What about the idea of expanding the music player to intelligently play tracks.

    Ie. A custom music folder. Drop MP3s into Battle, Investigation, Bridge, Starbase, etc. sub-folders? Admittedly, that's just for YOU but the biggest drawback of the current music player for me is that it doesn't always mesh well with what's going on as well as the in-game music does. But I do have a number of Trek soundtracks I could grab some MP3s off of.

    Likewise, if somebody wants to play Radiohead for Investigation content and Metallica for combat, that works too. Or Miles David for Exploration and Rod Stewart for combat. Or whatever.

    Me, personally, I'd play the Klingon theme for Combat, the suite from "The Visitor" for Investigation, "The Inner Light" for Exploration, the music from "The Drumhead" (I think) for starbases, etc. I have the MP3s. If I could play them without being stuck on Shuffle, I'd be happy. I think this type of feature has been implimented in other games with intelligent scores.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I have friends in the UK that wouldnt like that,lol
    desseb wrote: »
    Another problem is that Pandora and Last.fm are both US-only...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Please dont give up on the idea
    coderanger wrote:
    Pretty sure we can't do anything like this without running majorly afoul of copyright laws and radio broadcast restrictions/royalty structures. Alas, it would be nifty. We might be able to let you set one of our tracks to play in the background or something, but thats probably the limit.
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