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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    /don's asbestos longjohns

    Tinfoil hat is probably the better choice.

    Rewards made on private time as a bonus given to investors? Just not seeing the conspiracy myself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Seadgir
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    glad you lulled this post out of your butt before you doned your longjohns...

    is this how you react when others in life pay more and get more?
    do you complain that first class passengers get better perks and you want what they get but at the price you payed?

    in case you did not know, this benefit to the lifers was a "thank you" from the devs and cryptic team for lifers showing support.

    and then the community at large attacks cryptic and the lifers for this thank you. seems no one is immume from stupidity these days.


    It's so cute how you are responding to what you want me to have said and not what I actually said.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    No it isnt pushing me away I am happy with it and I am enjoying the game. I really couldnt care less what others get as long as it does not give them a major bonus in game like better stats. Also what is it with people and doom posts? It seems like every thing from extra items to sales to the wrong colors some how spell doom for some people. It is just a perk to get more money like any company does. Just because microsoft has a sale or offers some thing extra doesnt mean it is about to fail and the same holds for cryptic. They have already stated the game is doing better than they had hoped.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The 45 day patch brought me back, the lifetime perks pushed me away

    I hit RA5 within 2 weeks of release, at this point in time bugs that were reported in beta haven't been fixed and more bugs have appeared

    the fact that the devs spent their precious free time creating new content for lifetime subscribers but have failed to fix bugs still ingame from beta have left me very confused

    the lack of dev communication over this issue has made me even more concerned.

    I'm sure the devs can clear the problem up with a simple explanation, how can they have time to spare creating new content for lifers but still have bugs from beta ingame?

    BTW OP, get ready to get your butt kicked by alot of people with blue names
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Its a little much. They've gotten a good truck load of perks.

    As a regular subscriber Im happy with the way I chose to pay. But it no longer feels Im very equal with the rest of the community. Ive never felt that way in an mmorpg before.

    So yea, its pushing me away a bit. I have to admit. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I actually wanted to get the lifetime sub before the perks were even mentioned because it will save me more in the long run (I like the game a lot so far and am sure that with a few improvements, I will love it).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It's so cute how you are responding to what you want me to have said and not what I actually said.

    thank you... :)

    to bad you jump to conclusions without proof and pull "assumptions" out of your butt and expect a meaningful response.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
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    Towards... Oh, wait....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    yeah, I'm a bit put off by the lifer perks, not that I'm going to quit (at least not yet). I paid for a 1-year sub, and that's not "In for the Long Haul?" If I'd known about these perks two months ago when cryptic first offered the subs, and was telling us we had less then a week to choose a package because the lifetime and 12 month subs might not be offered again (which they were), I'd have spent the extra hundred bucks for the lifetime. I fronted quite a bit of cash, for my sub, it was a bit of a gamble, I'm not sure at this point if this game will last 12 months, I deserve something in return other than the extra two character slots that would have only cost me a couple bucks in the C-Store anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »

    BTW OP, get ready to get your butt kicked by alot of people with blue names


    You mean the cadre of people who paid $300 to play a half finished game ?

    There flames are basically a self defense mechanism so they don't have to think about backing the wrong horse.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    seriously LOL this is the thread heading you're kidding.

    no one should care what lifers get if you wanted to be a lifer you shoulda payed the money then. hell it was tax time you mean all these people didnt get a tax return?

    and trust me the lifer stuff could be slightly better see my post in feedback about travel reductions for lifers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    From STO and/or a lifetime subscription?


    I just want to see if others are thinking like me. It's pushing me away, here is why.

    The game is pretty lackluster at the moment, I'm not going to pull numbers out of my butt, but based on anecdotal evidence a lot of people are leaving. Now rather than give everyone stuff to try to keep them around they are giving a small subset of the community perks creating a wider and wider divide between the "haves" and "have nots".

    This part is conjecture or as Spock said "Only a theory that happens to fit the facts"

    They seem to be almost in a panic to get people to buy lifetime subs. It would be one thing if these perks were trickling out one every month or two...but they are coming fast and furious. This looks to me like one of two things that are similar to one another:

    1) They are absolutely DESPERATE for money.

    2) They doubt the future of their game and want to milk it as quickly as possible for cash before the curtain closes.

    Neither of these is a good thing.


    /don's asbestos longjohns

    I agree
    /10char
    O.o holy TRIBBLE a blue agreeing

    I AGREE that it looks like the game is crapping out, but its looked like that for a while now, so I dont think its GOING to. I was gonna get a refund already, foer different reasons, but they pulled a "no we didnt mean within the 30 days everyone else gets, but 30 days from when you purchased the LTS to get your refund" number. Actually, on me, they pulled a "we never gave out refunds, refunds are against our policy" number on me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    thank you... :)

    to bad you jump to conclusions without proof and pull "assumptions" out of your butt and expect a meaningful response.

    Considering I said that it was a theory that fit the facts, what's your point? (besides the top of your head):D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i don't agree. Go ahead and be real surprised now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You mean the cadre of people who paid $300 to play a half finished game ?

    There flames are basically a self defense mechanism so they don't have to think about backing the wrong horse.

    Well color me confused. If you truly feel this way, then these people getting a few perks shouldn't bother you at all, right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I actually wanted to get the lifetime sub before the perks were even mentioned because it will save me more in the long run (I like the game a lot so far and am sure that with a few improvements, I will love it).

    me to, when considering the lifetime option i didn't think "hey i want to show those cryptic boys my support and give them $250" i was thinking, "i dont want to spend $14 per month

    it seems the devs have got the wrong end of the stick, their giving perks to people who only wanted to save themselves money in the long run, their not fans or supporters of cryptic their fans of star trek
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    as a lifer, i don't see how the said "lifetime perks" are in any way shape or form something to push non lifers away. none of us get anything that give us an edge in the game (unless you count not getting goldspammed in the captains table). as for the whole "cashing in" thing.. do note that first and foremost this is a business. they're not here to flat out please you, theyre here to make a profit.

    in regards to the off topic comment about bugs in beta that still exist.. a good amount have been adressed. anyone that takes time to read the patch notes would know this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Considering I said that it was a theory that fit the facts, what's your point? (besides the top of your head):D

    ahhh the cone heads...luved that part of SNL..


    but i ask - what facts? and where do you get them?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Here's a thought. Just don't read about the perks. Avoid the threads and discussions.

    That way you won't have to know about the perks and you won't know about the things you are missing out on.

    This is what you want right? I mean, you would be satisfied with the game if you did not know about those things you are missing out on.

    Otherwise you can keep obsessing about the perks until you become emotionally unstable.

    In reality, the perks don't matter to gameplay all that much. Stop obesssing over small beans.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm not a lifer yet I see nothing wrong with people that risked $249 before launch, and $300 post launch from getting a little something extra. These people are gambling, though in my opinion a low risk one, that the game will be around long enough to at least break even on what they would have spent in monthly fees.

    For the most part, what they get is fluff. It's nice, but doesn't give them any special advantages.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    erasure25 wrote: »
    Here's a thought. Just don't read about the perks. Avoid the threads and discussions.

    That way you won't have to know about the perks and you won't know about the things you are missing out on.

    This is what you want right? I mean, you would be satisfied with the game if you did not know about those things you are missing out on.

    Otherwise you can keep obsessing about the perks until you become emotionally unstable.

    In reality, the perks don't matter to gameplay all that much. Stop obesssing over small beans.

    we can ignore the perk threads but when some random cloud turns up in sol space it makes peoples wonder
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    From STO and/or a lifetime subscription?


    I just want to see if others are thinking like me. It's pushing me away, here is why.

    The game is pretty lackluster at the moment, I'm not going to pull numbers out of my butt, but based on anecdotal evidence a lot of people are leaving. Now rather than give everyone stuff to try to keep them around they are giving a small subset of the community perks creating a wider and wider divide between the "haves" and "have nots".

    This part is conjecture or as Spock said "Only a theory that happens to fit the facts"

    They seem to be almost in a panic to get people to buy lifetime subs. It would be one thing if these perks were trickling out one every month or two...but they are coming fast and furious. This looks to me like one of two things that are similar to one another:

    1) They are absolutely DESPERATE for money.

    2) They doubt the future of their game and want to milk it as quickly as possible for cash before the curtain closes.

    Neither of these is a good thing.


    /don's asbestos longjohns

    I'm at a loss here. I can go to Captain's Table. I got a cool "look at me" thing to put by my name on the forums. The biggest "perk" out of Captain's Table is the 64% food items. Unless you're breeding Tribbles, what benefit is that, really? You can't eat them when in combat.

    I bet you got your Borg Tribble for playing on the test server though didn't you? Somebody you know?? I'm not posting, crying about people getting that when I missed out on it.

    Again, what Cryptic has done is to give a small token of appreciation to those willing to gamble on the game, nothing more, nothing less. It will take what, 18 months for me to get my money back out of buying the life sub? In the 19'th month, if you want to complain because you've paid each of 19 months' subs and don't get a cool perk, I'll back you, 110%.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »
    me to, when considering the lifetime option i didn't think "hey i want to show those cryptic boys my support and give them $250" i was thinking, "i dont want to spend $14 per month

    That is my exact thought process. But knowing that I will also be getting a few shinny fluff things for being a cheap TRIBBLE is nice lol. (Not saying that any other lifer is cheap, just that I am and that is the primary reason for my desire to get lifer sub)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm at a loss here. I can go to Captain's Table. I got a cool "look at me" thing to put by my name on the forums. The biggest "perk" out of Captain's Table is the 64% food items. Unless you're breeding Tribbles, what benefit is that, really? You can't eat them when in combat.

    I bet you got your Borg Tribble for playing on the test server though didn't you? Somebody you know?? I'm not posting, crying about people getting that when I missed out on it.

    Again, what Cryptic has done is to give a small token of appreciation to those willing to gamble on the game, nothing more, nothing less. It will take what, 18 months for me to get my money back out of buying the life sub? In the 19'th month, if you want to complain because you've paid each of 19 months' subs and don't get a cool perk, I'll back you, 110%.

    it wasn't a gamble though, you bought a lifetime sub because your a star trek fan and wanted to save money in the long run, this isn't some generic fantasy game, its star trek
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You mean the cadre of people who paid $300 to play a half finished game ?

    There flames are basically a self defense mechanism so they don't have to think about backing the wrong horse.

    No, their flames are people being jerks, or engaging in (what they think is a) troll baiting, whatever. The money spent was a show of faith. Sound investment choice? Have to wait and see. If I play this half as long as I have WoW, it was. (plus it finaly got me to put Boot Camp on this box, so I can play my old PC games I've missed)

    Liked what these guys did with CoH, thought I'd give this a spin. That the Dev's wanted to say thank you on their own time is very nice. Got some gee-ga's and eyecandy that have no game effect. You want them that bad? - The door is open. Pony up in good faith... or not. I like the gee-ga's, but it's not why I dropped the cash on this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    erasure25 wrote: »
    Here's a thought. Just don't read about the perks. Avoid the threads and discussions.

    That way you won't have to know about the perks and you won't know about the things you are missing out on.

    This is what you want right? I mean, you would be satisfied with the game if you did not know about those things you are missing out on.

    Otherwise you can keep obsessing about the perks until you become emotionally unstable.

    In reality, the perks don't matter to gameplay all that much. Stop obesssing over small beans.

    Yea, you're probably right. The forums arent helping.

    I read people saying, " Like on an airplane. You sit in first class if you pay more and get more perks, and if you buy a cheaper ticket you sit in coach!"

    I didnt know the game was going to have first class players and I was going to be different. Kind of sucks. I sort of thought the life timers would get their borgs, and maybe a few character slots, and wouldnt have to worry about paying anymore.

    I didnt know they were going to be preferred customers. Doesnt feel too good. And no, I still would prefer to pay monthly. I will never want a lifetime sub.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »
    it wasn't a gamble though, you bought a lifetime sub because your a star trek fan and wanted to save money in the long run, this isn't some generic fantasy game, its star trek

    Not according to most of the posters here
    But thats another argument entirely lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I have no problem with someone who pays a big wad of cash up front getting some early perks for free.
    We who did that paid for about 20-24 months of time in advance.

    Over time, the goodies will become boring and will probably become available for other people to buy for a few Cryptic points.

    I really don't understand why people who pay to ride in the cargo bay and are free to hop out and leave at any time (and even tend to do so) expect to get everything that exists in the game.

    And quite frankly, what practical value is there in getting an extra title or having another space station to visit? They didn't put anything exotic or unusual in the the Captain's Table. It's just a place for people that either had more free cash or believed in the game more than you did to go and stand around typing at each other in their lovely casual outfits.

    Don't be bitter about it, none of the perks that are being given to lifetime subscribers make a difference in the play of the game. And if you want them bad enough, plop down the $299.99 for the lifetime.

    Otherwise, if the game doesn't interest you enough to keep playing, then nothing that you get for having a lifetime subscription is going to make you any happier with it.

    Personally, I'd rather have the Mirror Universe uniforms than access to a new space station... but they gave me a title and a ticket to a space station instead.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »
    we can ignore the perk threads but when some random cloud turns up in sol space it makes peoples wonder

    Look it up on Google if you're wondering.
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