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Okay, I brought this up in open beta, and I think it's about time to address it here.

The moon should be have large bodies of water like earth. Remember First Contact?

"From here you can see Lake Armstrong..." et al.

Devs screwed the pooch on this one. You guys ever gonna fix it?

*I was wrong about the terraforming, but the moon still should have bodies of water visible from earth.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    Okay, I brought this up in open beta, and I think it's about time to address it here. Are we in some alternate universe where the Genesis device was never unleashed on the moon?

    The moon should be green and blue like earth. There should be an atmosphere. Remember First Contact?

    "From here you can see Lake Armstrong..." et al.

    Devs screwed the pooch on this one. You guys ever gonna fix it?

    Great, now Im going to have to go back to First Contact and try and see the Moon....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I don't think it was terraformed but I could be wrong what with the lake armstrong comment. But I fully agree that it should have huge cities on the moon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pretty sure the moon was terraformed. You sure they used Genesis? That doesn't sound right
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    umm wasnt that device exploded on a moon in the Ceti Alpha star system?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Great, now Im going to have to go back to First Contact and try and see the Moon....

    First Contact is set in the 21st century. The moon was terraformed in the novels, but it was canonized by the comment Will Riker made.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mark_Arac wrote:
    Pretty sure the moon was terraformed. You sure they used Genesis? That doesn't sound right

    Read the Genesis Wave books.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The moon wasn't terraformed. It was colonized. Lake Armstrong is a powder lake that actually exists right now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    genisis was never used on the moon, also numerous times in ther series you hear the moon cities refered to as dome cities. one character (I think it was a voyager crewman) used to go out with her father in spacesuits to watch the lunar sunrise. of course this is all going from memory and my memory isn't the best on a good day.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    A "lake" can also be used in space terms to denote a dry gulch where a lake COULD be. There are many "lakes" on Mars.. that have no water. As I have seen in scientific journals.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I kinda prefer the moon looking like the moon that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walked on :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The moon was not terraformed like a planet would be and no the genesis device was not used on the moon. It was used on a test moon only on simulation. The comment that Riker made is furter defined on DS9. Can't remember the episode but it was where Red Squad had a defiant class ship and it was destroyed. Riker said you could see lake armstrong. On DS9 the cadet makes a comment that you could go beyond the atmospheric dome to watch the sun rise which was only once a month. So I would say that any colonization that took place on the moon is in the dome and below the surface. Besides if the genesis device was used the moon would have broken apart like the planet did in ST:III.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    A "lake" can also be used in space terms to denote a dry gulch where a lake COULD be. There are many "lakes" on Mars.. that have no water. As I have seen in scientific journals.

    That's true, but Riker clearly stated that it's a lake that didn't exist in the 21st century.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Gatness wrote: »
    genisis was never used on the moon, also numerous times in ther series you hear the moon cities refered to as dome cities. one character (I think it was a voyager crewman) used to go out with her father in spacesuits to watch the lunar sunrise. of course this is all going from memory and my memory isn't the best on a good day.

    Yeah the colonies are Dome cities. The crewmen from the Valiant says that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    That's true, but Riker clearly stated that it's a lake that didn't exist in the 21st century.

    The moon doesn't even have an atmosphere (and isn't massive enough hang onto one if it did) therefore liquid water could only exist underground or under domes...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'd just like to add...

    "We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales and we sing our whaling tune"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Went and looked it up, and whaddya know? I was wrong. I thought the moon had been terraformed. Still, the Lake Armstrong quote makes it clear that the moon is depicted inaccurately.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    That's true, but Riker clearly stated that it's a lake that didn't exist in the 21st century.

    Dude, he didn't mean a literal lake, its a feature on the moon that was coined "Lake Armstrong".

    Just like in real life now, there's a feature on the moon called the "Sea of Tranquility", that doesn't mean that there's a literal sea up there.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_tranquility

    More so, when Riker made the comment about being able to "see Tycho City, New Berlin, even Lake Armstrong" was more than likey a referrence to the domed cities that the moon now has in the 24th century and were so big that you could see them from Earth.

    Furtheremore, the episode everyone keeps referring to is DS9 "Past Tense, Part I" where they show a clear shot of the moon-
    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Moon.jpg

    Not terraformed, so therefore canon that domed pressurized cities are present.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    First Contact is set in the 21st century. The moon was terraformed in the novels, but it was canonized by the comment Will Riker made.

    Oh I know, an episode of DS9 talked about the Moon and what it was like. Im not that new to Star Trek. But after reviewing the video. I have to say, it wasnt in First Contact. Only shots of Earth were shown.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The OP is talking about the genesis device used ST2 WOK. If you switch the moon for Regula 1(random lifeless rock light-years away from earth.) He is right of course. Which never actually was fired on by the torpedo because it was used as the location of an underground test of the device. The genesis torpedo was detonated by Khan on the bridge of the Reliant in a effort to prevent Kirk's getaway. They could always throw Regula 1 in the game and have a mission there I would play that.

    This was an overly elaborate reply to a simple thread.

    Thank You.

    Way too slow.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I don't recall any canon source saying it was terraformed. I assumed that all of those cities on the moon were housed in domes.

    Edit: I was right. The cities are housed in domes.

    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tycho_City
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Oh I know, an episode of DS9 talked about the Moon and what it was like. Im not that new to Star Trek. But after reviewing the video. I have to say, it wasnt in First Contact. Only shots of Earth were shown.

    It's when they're taking off in the ship, Riker looks at the moon and makes the comment, "In my time, you could see Lake Armstrong from here."

    He's not referring to the geological feature, because you couldn't make that out without a telescope. He's referring to a body of water. There's no water on this moon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    ix9000 wrote: »
    The OP is talking about the genesis device used ST2 WOK. If you switch the moon for Regula 1(random lifeless rock light-years away from earth.) He is right of course. Which never actually was fired on by the torpedo because it was used as the location of an underground test of the device. The genesis torpedo was detonated by Khan on the bridge of the Reliant in a effort to prevent Kirk's getaway. They could always throw Regula 1 in the game and have a mission there I would play that.

    This was an overly elaborate reply to a simple thread.

    Thank You.

    Way too slow.

    Regula 1 doesnt exist anymore. It went boom in the Search for Spock.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    It's when they're taking off in the ship, Riker looks at the moon and makes the comment, "In my time, you could see Lake Armstrong from here."

    He's not referring to the geological feature, because you couldn't make that out without a telescope. He's referring to a body of water. There's no water on this moon.

    Actually it is a geological feature. There are plenty of gulches and craters that can be seen even today with the naked eye.

    OR

    Its a lake, that was formed under a Dome.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Actually it is a geological feature. There are plenty of gulches and craters that can be seen even today with the naked eye.

    OR

    Its a lake, that was formed under a Dome.

    No, it's not, because he clearly stated it didn't exist in the time he was in. I concede that it has to be under a dome, but you currently can't even see it while orbiting the moon, much less from earth. That needs to be fixed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    No, it's not, because he clearly stated it didn't exist in the time he was in. I concede that it has to be under a dome, but you currently can't even see it while orbiting the moon, much less from earth. That needs to be fixed.

    You can see some city lights from orbit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You can see some city lights from orbit.

    Yes, but not water. I need a Lake.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    With apologies to the B-52's...

    Well there's a moon, it's in the sky
    It's called the moon
    And everybody is there 'cluding
    'ranus
    Neptune
    'ranus
    Pluto
    Destination moon
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Relict wrote: »
    No, it's not, because he clearly stated it didn't exist in the time he was in. I concede that it has to be under a dome, but you currently can't even see it while orbiting the moon, much less from earth. That needs to be fixed.

    If you were in freakn' space and looked down at Earth, I bet you could clearly make out where you're city is located at, but some alien probably won't beleive you because all he sees is a mass of land with no cities.

    It's the same thing here, Riker knows that these places exist on the moon and can pick them out.


    This-
    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Moon.jpg
    is a shot of the moon from a DS9 episode, clearly showing not being teraformed, so its canon that it's colonized.

    Another shot here of a lunar colony-
    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Lunar_colonies.jpg

    The Lunar colonies mark the first effort of the Human colonization of space and were established in the late 21st century on Earth's moon, Luna.

    In the 22nd century, Lunar One colony was the largest of all Lunar colonies. The Orpheus Mining Colony was another settlement on Luna during the 22nd century. (ENT: "Zero Hour", "Demons")

    In 2373, the population was about 50 million and primary points of interest on the Moon included Copernicus City, Lunaport, Tranquility Base, Tycho City, New Berlin and Lake Armstrong. (Star Trek: First Contact)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    And without being to picky, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1chtJQFQNs 5:15 onwards, shows a few times the moon has appeared in Trek. An I don't see any lush blue lake in any of them. So I'd say our STO moon is pretty accurate :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Regula 1 doesnt exist anymore. It went boom in the Search for Spock.


    I beleive that the planet your talking about was made out of the Mutara Nebula but now that i think about it that whole part dosent make sence because when they are "racing" to the nebula after the leave Regula 1 behind they are only on impulse power so Regula would taken out by the genesis wave anyways.
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