After last patch i played it much today. But so far, i dont enjoy it that much as fighting vs klingons.
What are your feelings and thoughts about this? And i would like to know, did the klingon faction really notice that FvF was introduced today?
unless its against some premade that would be giving klinks a run for their money its kinda one sided. there are escorts dealing less than 100k damage, almost no pug runs a dedicated healing build, and half the people don't know how to stay together. I seriously felt my IQ dropping in a couple of the matches.
oh, and my friend killed 7 people with FBP in one match today (they didn't get the message the first time, they left after the second.)
unless its against some premade that would be giving klinks a run for their money its kinda one sided. there are escorts dealing less than 100k damage, almost no pug runs a dedicated healing build, and half the people don't know how to stay together. I seriously felt my IQ dropping in a couple of the matches.
oh, and my friend killed 7 people with FBP in one match today (they didn't get the message the first time, they left after the second.)
haha, i just got killed by FBP aswell. I think it was fully specced FBP3. I didnt shoot anymore but my cycle did, and i was dead. Because i got more dps as assault cruiser now with new skills. And the respec for science, FBP3 can oneshot cruisers. But i know what you mean about stupid feds. Some of them think, oh no klingons lets go full impulse!
After last patch i played it much today. But so far, i dont enjoy it that much as fighting vs klingons.
What are your feelings and thoughts about this? And i would like to know, did the klingon faction really notice that FvF was introduced today?
Sure we noticed it ,you now get around the same amount of Feds queueing as Klingons do as most other Feds are trying out to fight each other. We mostly get the same amount of games as before but you tend to see the same feds all 2-3 games now instead of 10-15.
Sure we noticed it ,you now get around the same amount of Feds queueing as Klingons do as most other Feds are trying out to fight each other. We mostly get the same amount of games as before but you tend to see the same feds all 2-3 games now instead of 10-15.
Ok, thats good that you just had the same amount of games.
Had some great fun in two FvF matches. Then I tried a single Klingon match and we were faced with a Klingon team exploiting subnucleonic beam + viral matrix + FBP all day long. :rolleyes:
Apparently the Klingons want us to do FvF instead...fine with me.:)
Ok, thats good that you just had the same amount of games.
so i am confused. has it improved the play for the feds? i havent been home, so i cant say how our queues are... somehow, i see tow "fed-balls" clashing together.... ok maybe i shouldnt picture that.
Apparently the Klingons want us to do FvF instead...fine with me.:)
Works for me. The klinks is this game are all exploiting cowards anyway. I've had more fun playing FvF than I ever had doing FvK. Klinks can go **** off for all I care.
WOW, really? time to brush off my Lt9 Feddie and go pve. But really, Doesnt both sides have the same abilities? with Feds having more variants in ships?
WOW, really? time to brush off my Lt9 Feddie and go pve. But really, Doesnt both sides have the same abilities? with Feds having more variants in ships?
Same abilities, but not the same ships. Klingons ships have way more DPS than federation ships, causing VM and subnucleonic beam to be far more effective for them. Currently they uncloak, subnucleonic beam + viral matrix a few escort ships, blow them up in seconds while they are defenseless (this goes so fast, federation players hardly have time to target the escorts and aid them with extend shields or engineering team)
Then there is Feedback Pulse. Since most klingons use cannons it doesn't affect them. Since most feds use beams, it does effect them. Since its super powerful, this is a very real advantage to the Klingons, and one they are sure to use each and every match.
Overall, FvF pvp is far slower, and therefor for me at least far more enjoyable. Its more like the space combat you see in the series.
Overall, FvF pvp is far slower, and therefor for me at least far more enjoyable. Its more like the space combat you see in the series.
Oh you need slow... I get it now; are you the type of person who needs 5 minutes to locate a letter on the keyboard; push the wrong one and spend 5 more minutes to find backspace? ^^
Seriously; have you seen escorts dps when properly fitted and played? Even cruisers can do twice the average damage you see coming from feds; they're just fitted like TRIBBLE and use abilities that are working in PvE but totally useless in PvP.
Had some great fun in two FvF matches. Then I tried a single Klingon match and we were faced with a Klingon team exploiting subnucleonic beam + viral matrix + FBP all day long. :rolleyes:
Apparently the Klingons want us to do FvF instead...fine with me.:)
Always one who needs to say we cheat because they lose....
I've played a good 20 games today and only won 3 or 4, the feds have played like klings and well we have played like feds...... as for the 2 hold maps Feds most have won a great deal of them today because of the bug before the scores got stuck, I was in 4 before it changed with Feds winning in about 2mins
Now that the Feds have got their way because of the QQ(FvF) life as a kling is slow, most times today I've been waiting a good 10mins before a game where as yesterday I could walk into a game as soon and I signed up.
Hopefully it is because it's patch day, otherwise things are gonna get boring this side
imo, the fleet escorts are doing good on the damage side, but man....they are the softest target on the battlefield, those escort need that dedicated healer to remain in the fight, and rain down destruction.
Had some great fun in two FvF matches. Then I tried a single Klingon match and we were faced with a Klingon team exploiting subnucleonic beam + viral matrix + FBP all day long. :rolleyes:
Apparently the Klingons want us to do FvF instead...fine with me.:)
how ya like the taste of those 3 types of medicine ROFL leaves a nasty tast in your mouth eah ?
Had some great fun in two FvF matches. Then I tried a single Klingon match and we were faced with a Klingon team exploiting subnucleonic beam + viral matrix + FBP all day long. :rolleyes:
Apparently the Klingons want us to do FvF instead...fine with me.:)
Well ,i was doing some FvF too and to be honest ...there are lots of VM's+SNB's and FBP's out there. So dont tell me its a Klingon only skill or that only Klingons would use it. Those skills also will be stronger on the Fed side then it ever could be on Klingons if used with a good fitted science ship. This said ,if YOU want to do FvF why should we as Klingons dont want you to do that? Because we like to PvP the same maps over and over again? Nah not really ,im doing pvp only for the daily now and one or two games for fun ...its getting boring even if the feds do a good show.
Works for me. The klinks is this game are all exploiting cowards anyway. I've had more fun playing FvF than I ever had doing FvK. Klinks can go **** off for all I care.
Yep we are exploiting and cheating and ...maybe its just that we learned how to play against more or less intelligent players instead of NPC's that just work a predefined spreadsheet. If you enjoy FvF fine ,but keep those accusations for yourself until they are true ...oh and if they would be true then go there ,write a ticket and punish them that really cheat.
Now that the Feds have got their way because of the QQ(FvF) life as a kling is slow, most times today I've been waiting a good 10mins before a game where as yesterday I could walk into a game as soon and I signed up.
Hopefully it is because it's patch day, otherwise things are gonna get boring this side
GASP,.. 10 minutes. How ever do you survive?
I have dealt with 2 hour waits for a long time now.
Yes federation gets a few extra ships but honestly they are not that different.
Assault cruiser vs star cruiser.
Ok assault cruiser can use any type of cannon which doesnt matter since the only type of cannon on a cruiser should be a turret (imo).
Other than that the assault cruiser gets 1 ensign tac vs the star cruiser 1 ensign science.
I'm not sure many people fly an assault cruiser, ensign science is a much better slot (again imo).
The other "variants" are the same just minor changes.
Whereas the klingon BOP gets universal bo slots.
I fail to see how abusing broken mechanics which they say they are changing in a major way soon equates to learning how to play.
I have said it many times it does not take any kind of talent to kill something that can't fight back.
It is you who will actually have to learn how to play after these changes are made.
Feedback pulse has never been a problem for me as I don't use beam weapons, but I will have to keep an eye out for it in the future when they change it to work with cannon type weapons as well.
This post is directed towards many other posts but I am not going to sit here and point each one out.
And as to FVF, I suppose this is what it feels like flying a science captain in a lockdown ship.
I almost feel like I am some kind of special forces guy going nuts in the intensive care ward.
This is not to say I am some kind of pro but most people just don't even seem to try.
It is still real nice to be able to get right into some action even if it is rather one sided.
I have not played klingon in a long while and I did not play it for very long but if memory is correct if you stay cloaked x seconds you get a rather large damage modifier when you decloak.
So yes klingon ships do more damage.
Dude....where the hell did you come up with this one? It really is incredible the number of people who play Feds who come on and fill the forums with such bogus claims. Or the number who complain about some mysterious "hack" because they don't even know half of the powers or abilities in game.
This is what FvF combat will be like: The good players will crush the crappy ones ..... the pug that has the advantage of having those 1 or 2 better players will win. It is no different then FvK other than you most likely will have a higher number of sub-par players on both teams.
This is what FvF combat will be like: The good players will crush the crappy ones ..... the pug that has the advantage of having those 1 or 2 better players will win. It is no different then FvK other than you most likely will have a higher number of sub-par players on both teams.
number 1 difference, both teams have the ability to be the agressor. you see the enemy and the enemy sees you. you have moments to prepare before the assault... but ffs don't target a science ship first (hit an escort).
oh, and the dps ships are actually dedicated dps ships.
Dude....where the hell did you come up with this one? It really is incredible the number of people who play Feds who come on and fill the forums with such bogus claims. Or the number who complain about some mysterious "hack" because they don't even know half of the powers or abilities in game.
This is what FvF combat will be like: The good players will crush the crappy ones ..... the pug that has the advantage of having those 1 or 2 better players will win. It is no different then FvK other than you most likely will have a higher number of sub-par players on both teams.
I said I don't play a klingon so how the ???? would I know what cloak does? I played one for like 30 minutes and it left a bad taste in my mouth. All I remembered was it said after a few seconds you get something, how bout instead of being a flagrant flaming troll you point out what it gives you instead of saying I have no idea how anything in the game works? But then I dug around and found it says after 3 seconds gives you +x amount of stealth, I assume the number can be modified with certain skills but really don't care.
But I have to ask do you live under your bridge or did you build a hut on top of it? Have fun, that's what games are for.
My beef is with lockdown abilities and yes I lose my temper when that stuff is used on me, happy days are coming tho apparently.
And fvf is nothing like fvk. I have met very few science spammers in fvf vs almost every ship rigged for science spam on fvk.
I have dealt with 2 hour waits for a long time now.
DEAL WITH IT.
Lets see you can do PvE to level while you wait we as klings need to pvp to do OUR QUESTS to level. I need to win 7 games to finish one QUEST... do the math Mr Fed:(
Lets see you you have to w8 10mins plus before you can do your next quest
The fact that you have two escort-like ships that can dish out escort like damage? Raptor = Escort, BoP = almost Escort and at least dishes out far more damage than a science ship. The fact that even your cruisers can mount cannons, yes turrets are more effective for cruisers blahblah, doesn't take away that Klingon cruisers have the potential for higher damage as well. Overall this results in a higher damage output for the klingon team, and crowd control like VM becomes exponentially more powerful the more damage you put out.
Oh you need slow... I get it now; are you the type of person who needs 5 minutes to locate a letter on the keyboard; push the wrong one and spend 5 more minutes to find backspace? ^^
You make yourself look so intelligent.:rolleyes: I just prefer tactical naval-style battles in a startrek game, not dogfights.
Seriously; have you seen escorts dps when properly fitted and played? Even cruisers can do twice the average damage you see coming from feds; they're just fitted like TRIBBLE and use abilities that are working in PvE but totally useless in PvP.
Play some FvF pvp. I'm playing both so can make some sort of valid opinion on them. Fed escorts do just as much damage as a Klingon Raptor, but taking into account the BoP, klingons overall have alot more ships with escort-like dps in matches.
I really have to force myself to to FvK PvP now. It is mainly the cloaking that I don't like, but I also don't like the yellow glowing ball that they put round me or the purple balls they fire at me.
As you can tell I am not a dedicated PvPer and only do it for the marks, I suppose if there were no marks I would stick to FvF. There is something very satisfying about beating someone in the same ship as you. Like in F1, drivers want to beat their teamate first, cause they know it is all down to skill and not anything to do with the kit you ae using.
Like in F1, drivers want to beat their teamate first, cause they know it is all down to skill and not anything to do with the kit you ae using.
I hate to break it to you, but someone using the same ship as you doesn't necessarily have the same kit as you. Even between equal ships, the kit has a lot to do with who wins.
Lets see you can do PvE to level while you wait we as klings need to pvp to do OUR QUESTS to level. I need to win 7 games to finish one QUEST... do the math Mr Fed:(
Lets see you you have to w8 10mins plus before you can do your next quest
I hate to break it to you, but someone using the same ship as you doesn't necessarily have the same kit as you. Even between equal ships, the kit has a lot to do with who wins.
It is up to the captain of the ship to decide what goes into what slot. It may be that he has lost the fight before he even undocks, but it was his decision to fit it in the way he has.
I said I don't play a klingon so how the ???? would I know what cloak does? I played one for like 30 minutes and it left a bad taste in my mouth. All I remembered was it said after a few seconds you get something, how bout instead of being a flagrant flaming troll you point out what it gives you instead of saying I have no idea how anything in the game works? But then I dug around and found it says after 3 seconds gives you +x amount of stealth, I assume the number can be modified with certain skills but really don't care.
But I have to ask do you live under your bridge or did you build a hut on top of it? Have fun, that's what games are for.
My beef is with lockdown abilities and yes I lose my temper when that stuff is used on me, happy days are coming tho apparently.
And fvf is nothing like fvk. I have met very few science spammers in fvf vs almost every ship rigged for science spam on fvk.
Actually cloaking does not give you any bonus to damage and that is my point. It is annoying when people make claims about Klingons being overpowered then proceed to list false information and/or skills that both sides have access to. If you want to complain about the advantage of cloak or BOP having universal bridge slots fine. I might not agree but at least we would be discussing real abilities or game mechanics. Calling you out on making a bogus claim is not trolling as far as I'm concerned.
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oh, and my friend killed 7 people with FBP in one match today (they didn't get the message the first time, they left after the second.)
haha, i just got killed by FBP aswell. I think it was fully specced FBP3. I didnt shoot anymore but my cycle did, and i was dead. Because i got more dps as assault cruiser now with new skills. And the respec for science, FBP3 can oneshot cruisers. But i know what you mean about stupid feds. Some of them think, oh no klingons lets go full impulse!
Sure we noticed it ,you now get around the same amount of Feds queueing as Klingons do as most other Feds are trying out to fight each other. We mostly get the same amount of games as before but you tend to see the same feds all 2-3 games now instead of 10-15.
Ok, thats good that you just had the same amount of games.
Apparently the Klingons want us to do FvF instead...fine with me.:)
so i am confused. has it improved the play for the feds? i havent been home, so i cant say how our queues are... somehow, i see tow "fed-balls" clashing together.... ok maybe i shouldnt picture that.
Works for me. The klinks is this game are all exploiting cowards anyway. I've had more fun playing FvF than I ever had doing FvK. Klinks can go **** off for all I care.
WOW, really? time to brush off my Lt9 Feddie and go pve. But really, Doesnt both sides have the same abilities? with Feds having more variants in ships?
Same abilities, but not the same ships. Klingons ships have way more DPS than federation ships, causing VM and subnucleonic beam to be far more effective for them. Currently they uncloak, subnucleonic beam + viral matrix a few escort ships, blow them up in seconds while they are defenseless (this goes so fast, federation players hardly have time to target the escorts and aid them with extend shields or engineering team)
Then there is Feedback Pulse. Since most klingons use cannons it doesn't affect them. Since most feds use beams, it does effect them. Since its super powerful, this is a very real advantage to the Klingons, and one they are sure to use each and every match.
Overall, FvF pvp is far slower, and therefor for me at least far more enjoyable. Its more like the space combat you see in the series.
You base that one which facts? Cannons alone?
Oh you need slow... I get it now; are you the type of person who needs 5 minutes to locate a letter on the keyboard; push the wrong one and spend 5 more minutes to find backspace? ^^
Seriously; have you seen escorts dps when properly fitted and played? Even cruisers can do twice the average damage you see coming from feds; they're just fitted like TRIBBLE and use abilities that are working in PvE but totally useless in PvP.
Always one who needs to say we cheat because they lose....
I've played a good 20 games today and only won 3 or 4, the feds have played like klings and well we have played like feds...... as for the 2 hold maps Feds most have won a great deal of them today because of the bug before the scores got stuck, I was in 4 before it changed with Feds winning in about 2mins
Now that the Feds have got their way because of the QQ(FvF) life as a kling is slow, most times today I've been waiting a good 10mins before a game where as yesterday I could walk into a game as soon and I signed up.
Hopefully it is because it's patch day, otherwise things are gonna get boring this side
how ya like the taste of those 3 types of medicine ROFL leaves a nasty tast in your mouth eah ?
Well ,i was doing some FvF too and to be honest ...there are lots of VM's+SNB's and FBP's out there. So dont tell me its a Klingon only skill or that only Klingons would use it. Those skills also will be stronger on the Fed side then it ever could be on Klingons if used with a good fitted science ship. This said ,if YOU want to do FvF why should we as Klingons dont want you to do that? Because we like to PvP the same maps over and over again? Nah not really ,im doing pvp only for the daily now and one or two games for fun ...its getting boring even if the feds do a good show.
Yep we are exploiting and cheating and ...maybe its just that we learned how to play against more or less intelligent players instead of NPC's that just work a predefined spreadsheet. If you enjoy FvF fine ,but keep those accusations for yourself until they are true ...oh and if they would be true then go there ,write a ticket and punish them that really cheat.
GASP,.. 10 minutes. How ever do you survive?
I have dealt with 2 hour waits for a long time now.
DEAL WITH IT.
Assault cruiser vs star cruiser.
Ok assault cruiser can use any type of cannon which doesnt matter since the only type of cannon on a cruiser should be a turret (imo).
Other than that the assault cruiser gets 1 ensign tac vs the star cruiser 1 ensign science.
I'm not sure many people fly an assault cruiser, ensign science is a much better slot (again imo).
The other "variants" are the same just minor changes.
Whereas the klingon BOP gets universal bo slots.
I fail to see how abusing broken mechanics which they say they are changing in a major way soon equates to learning how to play.
I have said it many times it does not take any kind of talent to kill something that can't fight back.
It is you who will actually have to learn how to play after these changes are made.
Feedback pulse has never been a problem for me as I don't use beam weapons, but I will have to keep an eye out for it in the future when they change it to work with cannon type weapons as well.
This post is directed towards many other posts but I am not going to sit here and point each one out.
And as to FVF, I suppose this is what it feels like flying a science captain in a lockdown ship.
I almost feel like I am some kind of special forces guy going nuts in the intensive care ward.
This is not to say I am some kind of pro but most people just don't even seem to try.
It is still real nice to be able to get right into some action even if it is rather one sided.
Dude....where the hell did you come up with this one? It really is incredible the number of people who play Feds who come on and fill the forums with such bogus claims. Or the number who complain about some mysterious "hack" because they don't even know half of the powers or abilities in game.
This is what FvF combat will be like: The good players will crush the crappy ones ..... the pug that has the advantage of having those 1 or 2 better players will win. It is no different then FvK other than you most likely will have a higher number of sub-par players on both teams.
number 1 difference, both teams have the ability to be the agressor. you see the enemy and the enemy sees you. you have moments to prepare before the assault... but ffs don't target a science ship first (hit an escort).
oh, and the dps ships are actually dedicated dps ships.
I said I don't play a klingon so how the ???? would I know what cloak does? I played one for like 30 minutes and it left a bad taste in my mouth. All I remembered was it said after a few seconds you get something, how bout instead of being a flagrant flaming troll you point out what it gives you instead of saying I have no idea how anything in the game works? But then I dug around and found it says after 3 seconds gives you +x amount of stealth, I assume the number can be modified with certain skills but really don't care.
But I have to ask do you live under your bridge or did you build a hut on top of it? Have fun, that's what games are for.
My beef is with lockdown abilities and yes I lose my temper when that stuff is used on me, happy days are coming tho apparently.
And fvf is nothing like fvk. I have met very few science spammers in fvf vs almost every ship rigged for science spam on fvk.
Lets see you you have to w8 10mins plus before you can do your next quest
The fact that you have two escort-like ships that can dish out escort like damage? Raptor = Escort, BoP = almost Escort and at least dishes out far more damage than a science ship. The fact that even your cruisers can mount cannons, yes turrets are more effective for cruisers blahblah, doesn't take away that Klingon cruisers have the potential for higher damage as well. Overall this results in a higher damage output for the klingon team, and crowd control like VM becomes exponentially more powerful the more damage you put out.
You make yourself look so intelligent.:rolleyes: I just prefer tactical naval-style battles in a startrek game, not dogfights.
Play some FvF pvp. I'm playing both so can make some sort of valid opinion on them. Fed escorts do just as much damage as a Klingon Raptor, but taking into account the BoP, klingons overall have alot more ships with escort-like dps in matches.
As you can tell I am not a dedicated PvPer and only do it for the marks, I suppose if there were no marks I would stick to FvF. There is something very satisfying about beating someone in the same ship as you. Like in F1, drivers want to beat their teamate first, cause they know it is all down to skill and not anything to do with the kit you ae using.
I hate to break it to you, but someone using the same ship as you doesn't necessarily have the same kit as you. Even between equal ships, the kit has a lot to do with who wins.
Go do exploration missions. You have them now.
Cry me a river. 10 minute waits lol.
Do you even play kling? explorations are a joke they are side quests to fed content....you really have no clue do you
Actually cloaking does not give you any bonus to damage and that is my point. It is annoying when people make claims about Klingons being overpowered then proceed to list false information and/or skills that both sides have access to. If you want to complain about the advantage of cloak or BOP having universal bridge slots fine. I might not agree but at least we would be discussing real abilities or game mechanics. Calling you out on making a bogus claim is not trolling as far as I'm concerned.
I do play Klingon. I also ground up 3 RA 5's almost EXCLUSIVELY with exploration missions.
Don't tell me it can't be done.
I did it 3 times... since launch.
Now that exploration missions are out, I will do the same for the Klingon side.
I have more than a clue. I have history, experience and fact.