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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited April 2010 in PvP Gameplay
Give a "Deserter buff" that does not allow players that bail out in the middle of a game to simply rejoin a que.
I can tell you that our fleet has been called cheaters for using skills to the fullest ability that the game allows.
The fact that players first scream in zonechat then run away is a true showing of a lack of character.
There will be Screenshots to follow to show that this is an epidemic that when some players get a fight where they start to lose or know that they are playing an organized team they simply run away ASAP.
Please Cryptic treat these deserters as they are, spineless dogs with no real skill to form strategy and over come with teamwork and tactics.
To the haters, there is NOTHING we are doing in the game that is an "exploit" and there is nothing that can not be utalized by klingon players as well. regardless of your personal opinion of a skill build or a strategy until Cryptic fixes it then learn to beat it.
I will say there are some solid players like Blackjack that will have fun and fight, need more like that.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm sick of Klinks leaving the match whenever they see us.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    gentle bump cant hide from the truth
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    So, how long will the debuff last considering the very borked PvP ques?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    A deserter debuff would be a great idea. I personally think it should be 24 hours, but any duration would be better than there being no drawback to leaving. I have fun win or lose and when I know my team is going to get its clock cleaned I still use the time as a learning experience. If people don't have the same viewpoint they shouldn't be playing PVP, for their own benefit.

    Also, I'm beginning to fret the state of T5 PPV if the playerbase at that level is so small that the personal feuds and drama at that level are becoming crystal clear to those of us who haven't even set foot in that level yet. I just read and post on the forums about my T2/3 experience and already I know which players and fleets are lightning rods in T5. :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Diligent wrote:
    I'm sick of Klinks leaving the match whenever they see us.

    QFT.

    a 24 hour penalty is a bit much. Consider the problem if a bunch of klinks decide to just not de-cloak to make some feds rage quit to get the penalty. I can think of a few Klingon who would probably do that without hesitation.

    I made another thread about having some PvP leaderboards (sorry for thread hijack), but tallying those and displaying them to the community might dissuade some people from quitting for no reason.

    Here is my thread : http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=142781
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Stop posting the screenshots it is just a waste of space, time and bandwidth.

    People leave matches for varying reasons, some of which are likely to be completely valid. So basically your screenshots mean nothing.

    Say what you want to say discuss what you want to discuss, but the screenshots mean nothing.
    You have no way of knowing how many of those people lost their connections, how many got called away to the doorbell, or in my case how many have kids that need sorting out, as a much greater priority than to the game. Now I don't know about other but I have 2 kids under 6...they fall over on a regular basis and when they do I leave game so I can dedicate my time to them, and imo that is just how it should be. Would you rather I leave my character afk for 20 minutes while I sort them out? At least if people leave matches it allows someone else to come in to replace them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ataxia wrote: »
    Stop posting the screenshots it is just a waste of space, time and bandwidth.

    People leave matches for varying reasons, some of which are likely to be completely valid. So basically your screenshots mean nothing.

    Say what you want to say discuss what you want to discuss, but the screenshots mean nothing.
    You have no way of knowing how many of those people lost their connections, how many got called away to the doorbell, or in my case how many have kids that need sorting out, as a much greater priority than to the game. Now I don't know about other but I have 2 kids under 6...they fall over on a regular basis and when they do I leave game so I can dedicate my time to them, and imo that is just how it should be. Would you rather I leave my character afk for 20 minutes while I sort them out? At least if people leave matches it allows someone else to come in to replace them.

    Exactly this Op, you don't know why all people are leaving, so your suggestion would punish those that have other priorities aswell.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ataxia wrote: »
    Stop posting the screenshots it is just a waste of space, time and bandwidth.

    People leave matches for varying reasons, some of which are likely to be completely valid. So basically your screenshots mean nothing.

    Say what you want to say discuss what you want to discuss, but the screenshots mean nothing.
    You have no way of knowing how many of those people lost their connections, how many got called away to the doorbell, or in my case how many have kids that need sorting out, as a much greater priority than to the game. Now I don't know about other but I have 2 kids under 6...they fall over on a regular basis and when they do I leave game so I can dedicate my time to them, and imo that is just how it should be. Would you rather I leave my character afk for 20 minutes while I sort them out? At least if people leave matches it allows someone else to come in to replace them.

    Lets not be reasonable here....we don't want to upset the egos of the DOB Fleet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Grignak wrote: »
    Lets not be reasonable here....we don't want to upset the egos of the DOB Fleet.

    Yes ... Yes we do considering all their whinging and shenanigans that they have been doing in other threads.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    instead of a deserter debuff for all matches, a debuff that restrict players from entering that particular match would be better, it would be like 2 strikes, now you can 't pvp.

    Like a debuff preventing players from space matches, if the player left purposely. same as ground. But all this would have to be worked out, how will the game mechanic identify players who have just disconnected, or utilized the "transporter" or "warp" function to leave the match.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Diligent wrote:
    I'm sick of Klinks leaving the match whenever they see us.

    That seems to be happening more and more from the Klingons... That said, there are some 'Bad Guys' out there that show honor, don't run away and we've had some great fights :) They also love to hide, wait for the feds to get annoyed at waiting so long and start warping out. Then they jump the stragglers so don't always assume that they left.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I wouldn't particularly mind a debuff for leaving, with two exceptions:

    1. network disconnects and client crashes -- if the game is still in progress when you reconnect, that's all well and good. but if it has ended already, I don't want to be locked out. (yes, I know that in this case the people currently leaving early will just alt-f4 or unplug their LAN cable instead, then go have a smoke or a drink or something before reconnecting).

    2. split teams -- if a premade team gets split, there needs to be a way for people on one map to leave and join the rest of their team on another map without getting locked out. maybe make it so that you can transfer from one pvp map directly to another without being considered as "leaving".

    -ken
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ataxia wrote: »
    Stop posting the screenshots it is just a waste of space, time and bandwidth.

    People leave matches for varying reasons, some of which are likely to be completely valid. So basically your screenshots mean nothing.

    Your right I should of compiled fraps videos of the tool PVP chat admin who says, "CYA" every time he zones into our matches.


    Quitters


    All these peoples children must of toppled over as well amirite?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Grignak wrote: »
    Lets not be reasonable here....we don't want to upset the egos of the DOB Fleet.

    Ya you're being very reasonable yourself by flaming us. Obviously you're one of those leavers and the people who are weirdly annoyed by us posting screenshots LOL. crymoar

    Maybe we should also post the screenshots where y'all say: "DOB premade.. c ya!" and leave. Sometimes 2 of you, sometimes the whole 5 klinks.

    So by leaving you're saying:
    "OK we're not going to be able to beat you easily with our
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'll leave if numbers are way over balanced. I'm not going to spend 5 minutes of my life dying 15 or 40 times. I've got better things to do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Diligent wrote:
    Ya you're being very reasonable yourself by flaming us. Obviously you're one of those leavers and the people who are weirdly annoyed by us posting screenshots LOL. crymoar

    Maybe we should also post the screenshots where y'all say: "DOB premade.. c ya!" and leave. Sometimes 2 of you, sometimes the whole 5 klinks.

    So by leaving you're saying:



    This is just ridiculous. I don't want to turn this thread into a DOB vs. DOB-Haters one again.

    24hr is too long, make it 15 mins just like wow was. That should be enough.

    Lol your assumption skills are off the chart my friend.And to get back on subject yes there should be a penalty for leaving only after someone has done so multiple times in an hour.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    pull a GW style, you won't get disabled from pvping from leaving once, but do it 2+ times and you can't join for at least 10 minutes
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ataxia wrote: »
    Stop posting the screenshots it is just a waste of space, time and bandwidth.

    People leave matches for varying reasons, some of which are likely to be completely valid. So basically your screenshots mean nothing.

    Say what you want to say discuss what you want to discuss, but the screenshots mean nothing.
    You have no way of knowing how many of those people lost their connections, how many got called away to the doorbell, or in my case how many have kids that need sorting out, as a much greater priority than to the game. Now I don't know about other but I have 2 kids under 6...they fall over on a regular basis and when they do I leave game so I can dedicate my time to them, and imo that is just how it should be. Would you rather I leave my character afk for 20 minutes while I sort them out? At least if people leave matches it allows someone else to come in to replace them.

    Did you actually look at those screenshots? We are not talking about one person quitting here and there.

    I agree with priorities, but if you need to take care of your kids for 20 mintues, a 15 minute penalty for quitting is acceptable, no? You will be away from keyboard anyway, what do you care?

    I don't want to name names (but I will if people ask enough), but I've seen the same people quit a match before it even starts. They do this over and over. Is this fair to the other players, regardless of the team they are on?

    I doubt any of you DOB-Haters will believe me, but in the past few weeks we have consistently told klingons joining the arena to wait for a full team before attacking us (at least when I was there). Many times we waited for more than 15 minutes for them to get a full team. Why the long wait? People quitting on the klink side as soon as they saw who we were. I'm not trying to make us look good here, but us at DOB want to be challenged and want to get better, and fighting a 5v3 or 5v4 is not going to make that happen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Yes yes... we know it by now... all those mean people leaving because of the uba-ness of your fleet... must be realy hard to be such great players.
    I'm not trying to make us look good here, but us at DOB want to be challenged and want to get better, and fighting a 5v3 or 5v4 is not going to make that happen.

    Then how about doing private matches against other fleets instead of farming pugs ? Isnt there supposed to be such an function ?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    LnD-Rash wrote: »
    Yes yes... we know it by now... all those mean people leaving because of the uba-ness of your fleet... must be realy hard to be such great players.



    Then how about doing private matches against other fleets instead of farming pugs ? Isnt there supposed to be such an function ?

    That's already in the works, thank you. I know Akumarev and Elkantar have been talking about setting up private matches, and I've posted a few ideas on our private DOB forums for future events. That being said, why should doing events with other fleets stop us from fighting pugs? Do athletes only do sports when they are at the olympics? Please, they spend theirs days and nights preparing.

    As for our fleet having attained "uba-ness" as you so pointed, I never made such claims. As a matter of fact, I think I speak for the entire guild when I say this thread was never about us. It was about the lack of penalty in people quitting matches.

    I'm very sorry for you if all you can see in this thread is us bragging about how amazing we are. If all we cared about was winning, we would not even be discussing this. What would we care if people quit, we're winning anyway right? Why should we care how we win?

    Take a moment away from hating DOB in general and just look at the facts. How would you feel if you could not get a full team because people were quitting on you and you couldn't get anything organized on any level. This is how the majority of PUG Fed groups feel I am sure. Klingons have the advantage of being able to wait for a full team before engaging, most of the time, if one of their teammates quit. Feds don't have that luxury.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Of course you can fight pugs... But if you do so you should not complain.

    I myself dont care who or what I get as opponents, I would never leave a match. But this is not the case for everybody, most people runing pugs are casuals which just want to have some fun... and shooting a group of ships which perfectly supporst each other thanks to voice chat isnt fun for them, since they stand no chance of winning anyway, so they leave.

    Also (as you probably know since you mentioned "DOB Haters"), there are people which simply dont like you guys... and if thats the case I can understand them leaving, since playing with/against persons one dislikes is not what most people consider fun.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    LnD-Rash wrote: »
    Of course you can fight pugs... But if you do so you should not complain.

    I myself dont care who or what I get as opponents, I would never leave a match. But this is not the case for everybody, most people runing pugs are casuals which just want to have some fun... and shooting a group of ships which perfectly supporst each other thanks to voice chat isnt fun for them, since they stand no chance of winning anyway, so they leave.

    Also (as you probably know since you mentioned "DOB Haters"), there are people which simply dont like you guys... and if thats the case I can understand them leaving, since playing with/against persons one dislikes is not what most people consider fun.

    I know that there are many reasons for leaving a match. I agree fighting a well organized group knowing you will lose is not fun for the casual player and I can see how that leads to dropped matches. And yes I do believe some players instantly quit when they see that they are fighting against us. I refrained from naming names to prevent a flame war because that was never my intent.

    On the flipside though, fighting an organized group forces you to get better individually, re-think your skills and perhaps even organize better. As for people not liking us, I would think they would love the chance to blow us up, and perhaps entice the team they are with (even in a pug) to work together towards that goal :P

    In the end, leavers are penalizing their team while they themselves get no negative effect for doing so. Adding a short penalty will no doubt reduce the times this happens for trivial reasons. People leaving for valid reasons won't mind a short penalty.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    We've been trying to organize premade vs. premade since god knows when.. The problem is no one on the Klingon side wants to actually organize.

    Now that FvF is here, we've come across some Fed fleets doing premades.. I just don't understand why it's so hard for Klingons to do the same..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Diligent wrote:
    We've been trying to organize premade vs. premade since god knows when.. The problem is no one on the Klingon side wants to actually organize.

    Now that FvF is here, we've come across some Fed fleets doing premades.. I just don't understand why it's so hard for Klingons to do the same..

    Too busy angsting. Plus Klingon players in general don't seem to stay logged on for more than about 30 minutes at a time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    seems like most people posting agree that some sort of deserter buff would be nice.
    leave 1 trime 5 minute
    leave 2 10 minute leave 3 30 minute.
    just my OP
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    its nice to see that we agree on this for once
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ataxia wrote: »
    Stop posting the screenshots it is just a waste of space, time and bandwidth.

    People leave matches for varying reasons, some of which are likely to be completely valid. So basically your screenshots mean nothing.

    Say what you want to say discuss what you want to discuss, but the screenshots mean nothing.
    You have no way of knowing how many of those people lost their connections, how many got called away to the doorbell, or in my case how many have kids that need sorting out, as a much greater priority than to the game. Now I don't know about other but I have 2 kids under 6...they fall over on a regular basis and when they do I leave game so I can dedicate my time to them, and imo that is just how it should be. Would you rather I leave my character afk for 20 minutes while I sort them out? At least if people leave matches it allows someone else to come in to replace them.

    I am sure some people might leave the game for RL reasons...but nah 99.999% do not and we know that for a fact it is the same people all the time. UPDATE glad there is FvF now. short que times and more people to QQ about their own Faction. The forums will become fun to read. Wish there was more screen shots of those losers.
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