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Do you view waiting in cloak, watching a Federation player conduct PvE, and attacking him when his shields are down, dishonorable or honorable?
If you do view it dishonorable, why?
And if you disapprove of such an action, and saw a Klingon player doing it, would you black list him?
If you do view it dishonorable, why?
And if you disapprove of such an action, and saw a Klingon player doing it, would you black list him?
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when you enter an iPVP zone (like Kerrat, aka Borg Hunt) you consent to the possibility of being killed at an inopportune time, and you are also granted the opportunity to do the same thing to the enemy. it adds an interesting new dynamic to what would otherwise be the same old boring PVE experience.
if this is not the experience you want, don't enter the zone. and don't reply that you are forced to enter the zone to do your dailies -- Federation players are given a PVE-only option for dailies for this very reason. if you don't want to participate in PVP, limit yourself to the PVE dailies. if you want the rewards from PVP dailies, be prepared to engage in PVP.
and be glad you're on the federation side. klingons don't get an option for PVE dailies -- it's PVP or nothing (5 marks per day maximum). at least you get the option to earn up to 10 marks per day if you want to do both.
-ken
Is it a smart strategy for them? Yes. Is it "honorable" to sit around in cloak and wait for a Fed to be alone, occupied, shield drained by the Borg, and then attack? You decide.
That said, I gotta LOL at all the smack talk by the Klingons doing this. And then they whine when the Feds team up against them, as if they are themselves not using the Borg as de facto teammates.
Either way, it's fun. Blowing the TRIBBLE out of a smack-talking Klink: Priceless.
Good times!
I like finding a group of feds doing the objective and sit about 20k out and uncloak and just sit there; hoping that there is one fed dumb enough to come after me. Most of the time the fed gets a free ticket back to their spawn point. If I'm with my fleet we usually kill feds at respawn then head to their respawn and camp them. Funny how many feds it takes to kill 3 klings.
Feds want klings to be honorable but they themselves dont act in an honorable way. I see it this way; 1 fed by himself might have honor but when more feds come; it goes out the window and a hive mentality kicks in.
If one starts shooting they all start shooting. I let some feds live if i uncloak behind them and they dont shoot but this usually backfires as if another fed comes they'll engage.
That said, I'd like to see random borg/NPCs in Hostile engagements capture/holds. Would add a new element to it. Once other races are introduced (my vote=Romulan), 3 way capture holds would be great!
-ken
I have seen mercey from klingons just like this. I think all game is fair. It is not very much fun to gang up on 1 ship but sometimes the herd or hive mentality overwhelms us all. Loved the quote about a smart captain is alive and a dumb one complains about the honor in something.
I do wonder about the bad additude displayed by some Klingons. Personally I think most of the smack talk I see is clever and it reallly fuels my fire to join another pvp to try to do better. Moreover, I would expect a Klingon to gloat a bit after kicking tail. That being said, I have seen teamates leave battles because of hateful smack talk, so many in fact that by the end of the game the Klingons outnumber federation 8 to 2 and by that point nobody is really having fun.
I guess that would make the quitters bad losers. I have fun playing this game, learn alot from losing and don't blame anybody for killing me.
Curious how long your ammo supply would last. :rolleyes:
As to the Original question.. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Is it honorable?
Is a Submarine underwater, 'sneaking up' to a target, only to fire torpedos not being honorable for not fighting on the surface so the Battleship can fight back?
Is the sniper hiding in the bush at 2,000 meters with a Barrett M-82 'light fifty' honorable when he takes out targets of oportunity?
Were the Americans not honorable for not standing shoulder to shoulder in a line, and fighting in open fields during the Revolutionary war?
Were the Japanese honorable at Pearl Harbour for taking out the Battleships at dock, rather than fighting on the high seas?
Were the British honorable when they 'Ganked' the Bismarck?
Was Kirk honorable when he fired the 'super special gas homing' torpedo in ST: Undiscovered country against Gen Chang?
Were the Duras sisters honorable when they 'ganked' the Enterprise-D at Veridian 3 in ST: Generations?
The bird of Prey is very similar to PT boats and submarines of World War 2. Hit and run, suprise attack, and target of oporunity are all very valid warfare strategy in this craft.
Your silly to expect your opponent to fight to your strengths and yet not use theirs. Warfare adapts to advancements in tactics and equipment. If you bring a Battleship to a Carrier fight, or no ASW to a sub hunt it's hard to cry 'no fair fight like a man'
I ended up doing the hunt for Red October after my third explosion and it was good fun trying to find him and do some damage when he obliged by dropping his cloak....then cloaking again.We struck up a conversation and had a good old time,no problems here at all.
Back to reality, we would have some nice counter-measures.
Science officer skill- charged particle burst
Science officer skill - Jam sensors ( can't shoot you even if he did just uncloak )
Science officer skill- jam targeting sensors
In reality it's not the Klingon's fault you failed to utalize any one of many counter-measures available in a PvP zone.
Tell me what's the effective counter to feed-back pulse? Photonic fleet?
Whatever I could do to kill the enemy and live to fight another day.
Korthos
In real life, firstly if one side had cloak all sides would have cloak, and then there would be a never-ending escalation of technology to improve your faction's version of it. Hence my comment about counter-measures.
Not true, sometimes it takes a long time to catch up up to an enemy's advantage. Sometimes by the time you do it its already too late.
Just read history man.
Korthos
Since the Federation is an advanced, technology-oriented society it would be our enemies trying to keep up with us in most cases, I believe.
I will also remind you that Klingons did not invent the cloaking device - they got it from the Romulans.
And the US got ballistic missile tech from the germans, same thing, an advantage is an advantage no matter how you gain it.
Korthos
Rocket technology:
TRIBBLE Germany -> U.S. -> Soviet Union -> China -> lesser players
Aside from incremental technology improvements, no side has a lasting advantage where they can say "We have this and you don't."
In reality your not always using the same equipment. A knife and a sniper rifle are both perfectly capable of killing a person, yet only one is when employed at 500 meters.
In world war two the Japanese never came up with, or employed any kind of efective anti-submarine counter measures. End result is 314 US submarines sunk 1,560 japanese ships loosing only 52 in return. While in the atlantic 783 german U-boats were lost and by 1943 the US, and Britan learned how to counter the threat. In March '43 750,000 tons of allied shipping was lost, but by July that number dropped to 188,000 tons and 130 U-boats were sunk.
So everyone had Submarines, while only some learned to howto counter-measure them.
Everyone has Aircraft? and bombers have been around since WW1 so..what other nation has the B-52? the B-2? like how you say everyone would have a cloak...
Nope. Its a sound tactical move.
No; but I would blacklist anyone who suicides in PvP matches.
I have an objective to complete. The Borg are an obstacle, Starfleet is an obstacle. And since Starfleet ships are better suited to fighting Borg compared to a lone Bird of Prey, I'll let Starfleet clear the Borg, then I'll clear Starfleet. It's a valid tactic when scanning nodes, which we'll be unable to scan while cloaked after the update.
I think too many people are getting their ideas of "honor" and "Klingon Honor" mixed up.
That's funny! But cruel.
Since the first fist was thrown this has been the only rule in warfare.
It's probably called a "War Zone" for a reason.
And, I agree, I've had this done to me just as many times as I've done it.
I accept it as somethings that happens.