Every time I enter this zone, its always filled with Griefers of the worst kind. Sure, it's a PvP zone, but the way Cryptic has it handled, it's done in the worst way. Because the majority of PvPers in the zone aren't there for the sake of the mission, instead they are there to PvP those who are doing the mission. In other words, griefing.
You got either Federation players purposely abusing the Code to PvP against other Federaiton, instead of fighting Klingons or participating in the mission. Or you got Klingon players hiding in cloak, waiting for Federation players to be easy kills. (Which regarded as a dishonorable act by Klingon doctrine).
It's terrible to think that Cryptic would approve of such a zone, that actually encourages griefing. So I hope they soon will change it that it would a proper competitive PvP zone, than a zone full of opportunists whose only reward is to be a greifer.
It's terrible to think that Cryptic would approve of such a zone, that actually encourages griefing. So I hope they soon will change it that it would a proper competitive PvP zone, than a zone full of opportunists whose only reward is to be a greifer.
do you have any suggestions for how they should change it? is there a change you can think of that will allow only "proper" pvp and prevent "opportunism"?
I could suggest that rather than waste their time with games Cryptic should instead solve world hunger, but if I don't have any practical ideas on how to do that it's really not much of a suggestion.
On the test server it's actually scored--that is, you get medals, experience, and so on for completing it. (I'm not sure exactly how this score is calculated.) As it is now, we klingons pretty much don't get anything much for it (i get about 10 bridge officer points, woohoo), so the most entertaining thing to do really is going around shooting at federation ships. >_>
With an actual scoring and reward, I would expect klingon side to actually attempt completing the mission.
It may be important to note that on the test server you can't scan encryption nodes while cloaked anymore either, which was kind of rich.
I'm not exactly sure how the heck you define griefing and "proper" PVP here.
What do you actually expect KDF players to do? Every time I've been to Ker'rat, the Feds outnumber the KDF 5:1 or worse. The change where you can't scan the nodes while cloaked is going to be a real rough change for Klingons who will no longer have a realistic chance to complete the mission before the Feds do.
The goal of that zone isn't just to complete the objectives, but to also stop the enemy from completing the objective first. That means that hell yes, attacking while someone is getting hammered by the Borg is a legitimate strategy.
If you just want to PVE without the risk of getting ganked, then you chose the wrong system to play solo in. This is an open PVP zone. Get a team together to watch your back, even if all you do is fly around with other Fed ships, or you are nothing but a target and have no right to complain.
Honestly Klingons don't have the numbers to be truly competitive there. Half the people on the KDF side in that map are almost always a few Feds exploiting a bug. But it is a PVP zone, pure and simple. Feds that stick together don't have to worry much about it, because if something happens they can support each other and focus fire.
Besides I don't see you complaining about how Klingons are insta-gibbed every time the zone resets and it throws everyone to the same spawn point.
That zone is fun =] Its sad Klingons are in so few numbers there though, so they cant stop Feds from completing. But at least they can make it harder for Feds to complete. It is a "Warzone of Klingon Pillagers" as one of the quests says and its good that way.
I go to these war zones when my daily quest directs me to. All I want to do is do the three battles and get the hell out to get my honor marks. Half the time I have to contend with same faction players who only want to grief. Irks me to no end.
Every time I enter this zone, its always filled with Griefers of the worst kind. Sure, it's a PvP zone, but the way Cryptic has it handled, it's done in the worst way. Because the majority of PvPers in the zone aren't there for the sake of the mission, instead they are there to PvP those who are doing the mission. In other words, griefing.
You got either Federation players purposely abusing the Code to PvP against other Federaiton, instead of fighting Klingons or participating in the mission. Or you got Klingon players hiding in cloak, waiting for Federation players to be easy kills. (Which regarded as a dishonorable act by Klingon doctrine).
It's terrible to think that Cryptic would approve of such a zone, that actually encourages griefing. So I hope they soon will change it that it would a proper competitive PvP zone, than a zone full of opportunists whose only reward is to be a greifer.
Seriously? You are complaining because in a PvP zone, you are being attacked by other... players?
Someone hand this guy a wetnap to go with his constant dirtnap.
So in a time of war between the Federation and Klingons, if the Klingons attack a Federation ship, it is griefing? Maybe Cryptic needs to build a carebear server for you where no one can harm you, complete with invulnerability items so the evil Borg can't hurt you either?
I love Borg hunt. I usually die a lot as a Klingon trying to do my dailies, and my Fed gets jumped by Klingons when trying to do dailies. At the end of the day, it is the most random and unexpected rush of PvP fun in the game, and I hope Cryptic ignores your whining.
Kerrat and the hope there will be more zones like it is one of the few things that keeps me from cancelling.
Back in my day, in old school UO, you could PvP everywhere, and it was great! It was like you know somewhat realistic and there was actual risk and achievement risk involved in the game. But apparently that wasnt good enough for people and it had to be *****fied as all MMOs seem to be nowadays. /grumpy old man
i for one realy dont like the mission. its realy stupid. everyone gets the same spawnpoint, had to complete it 15 times for one quest (repetivenes anyone) and to top it off the pve content of that map has the biggest buggs u can find in any game. i still do it when i need to for daily thoug.
to the original poster, man STOP BEING A CRY BABY. djeezes these forums are crawling with u people. stop ur whining. this is the way it is. go play sims or something. its a frigin pvp map, so your 'ooh stop shooting me' complaints are idiotic at best.
the only thing wrong with this map is the spawnpoint and the fact you dont seem to be able to target half the targets available while they can still shoot at you. and no its not a los thing, its a bug thing.
that said, its a very nice place to go do some 1v1. i got attacked by the same player yesterday over and over. duno why he kept coming back (he was in a fleet escort vs my advanced escort)but it was the most fun pvp i did yet. maybe the fact i kicked his TRIBBLE about 10 times even when hull and shields were down to 50%
goes to show some people still dont have a clue at RA level
first of all, killing someone while having the edge is simply the best thing to do rather than griefing. why give one a fair fight when you can grap an easy kill and, and this is the important part,by doing so get an easy kill on the borg hub for your team aswell? if you attack that borg hub and i kill you, the borghubkill will be mine aswell. if i kill you in time. that is no griefing, its intended AND the best strategy. so to clarify this: this WARzone is not only about accomplishing the objective in time, it is even more about preventing the opponent from doing it aswell. i'm only there for daily missions because for klingons there is no reward involved, but if you are lucky you get a good group in there. a good group splits up: half are doing the mission, half are killing the enemy to give them a harder time doing so. if you say that is griefing you have absolutly no idea of tactics whatsoever imo.
It is satisfying to see a bop decloak when you are without shields and missing a good chunk of hull then you blow some cooldowns and give them an honorable death. However being klingon they will just get a friend or wait longer to decloak next time. After all they are an internet tough guy and have something to prove.
That something apparently being that when you are in bad shape they can pop out and finish you off. Bravo.
Maybe I should go down to the local special learning center and beat up on some handicapped kids. But the intensive care ward also looks appealing.
It is satisfying to see a bop decloak when you are without shields and missing a good chunk of hull then you blow some cooldowns and give them an honorable death. However being klingon they will just get a friend or wait longer to decloak next time. After all they are an internet tough guy and have something to prove.
That something apparently being that when you are in bad shape they can pop out and finish you off. Bravo.
Maybe I should go down to the local special learning center and beat up on some handicapped kids. But the intensive care ward also looks appealing.
If you can't handle a little bloody nose than go home. The galaxy isn't a safe out here.
If you can't handle a little bloody nose than go home. The galaxy isn't a safe out here.
I could say the same for you, I fair better than people who rely too heavily on certain crutches. cloak/snb/vm
There are very few skilled players among you and it is easy to find the ones who are.
I refuse to rely on this TRIBBLE because I actually want a challenge, if I die so what. It is however sad to see more and more people going this road. Not very fun or challenging when you can't see your enemy and when you can you can't do anything at all.
What will you do when there is nobody left for you to pop out and instantly shut down?
Hardly any of you offer any kind of valid argument. Its all qq more and quit etc. etc.
Well I did quit and so did most of the casual player base.
Might come back if they tone down all this lockdown stuff.
But then they got a new final fantasy mmo coming out, maybe they will learn from the flaws of the first.
well, to say anybody who uses vm is not skilled is as stupid as say people should leave the game for this and that tbh. and my argument for attacking someone who is in an npc-fight is plain simply: prevent the other team from getting that hubkill while at the same time have an easy earned point for your own. its valid game mechanics, and so is vm (yet it is op, everybody has to admit that). i go as far and say that use the gamemechanics like that is skillfull, as it is the most efficent way to earn points with little to no risk the other team can catch it. i will certanly not claim to be the uberwtfingl33tpwner, but i really see no point in people complaining like this. it is pvp, it is valid AND picking the weak target first is a good tactic to win every pvpmatch. or do you attack the cruisers first in cracked? no, you attack the escort, like everybody else does, now do you? if such "behaviour" struggles you, then why pvp anyways? besides, it is not the case dying would cost you more than a 15 sec penality at most. so why care? I'm a raptorpilot. i'm used to get attacked whenever people see me. and they do it for a good reason. i'm the class that deals most dmg ingame while tanking the least. its the same with engaging someone who is attacked by borg. he is, after all, the target that goes down fastest, and that means 1 guy less to win the game for the other team. so pls enlighten me why there is no point in doing so.
Kerrat and the hope there will be more zones like it is one of the few things that keeps me from cancelling.
Back in my day, in old school UO, you could PvP everywhere, and it was great! It was like you know somewhat realistic and there was actual risk and achievement risk involved in the game. But apparently that wasnt good enough for people and it had to be *****fied as all MMOs seem to be nowadays. /grumpy old man
EVE is like that aswell. pvp almost evrywhere and the option to loot your target. i played it for over 5 years, too bad it got old. but everybody who has not played it should try it. its a good game after all.
Well, on the pvp part... it sort of is intended to be a pvp zone you know. So, the whole shooting you to keep you from doing the mission is actually an intention of the design. I'm sure a Developer would back that up 100%.
But the real problem, and you touched on it, is that the zone is still bugged and pretty much needs an overhaul. I didn't check it out on Tribble over the weekend so I'm unsure if they fixed the issues with it yet.
See, if it were "fixed" this is how that zone would work:
*Same vs Same bugged nixed so you never see that happen
*The correct way to finish the mission fixed (killing cubes till Cube Hulks spawn)
*The losing side wouldn't get credit for the quest(s)
And I'm not overly fond of pvp... but even I can tell you that's how it should be working. But I'd still fully expect to see the F v K battles as that is part of the whole point to it. Stop the other side from winning. As it stands now it's a moot point. It doesn't matter who completes it... both sides in the same battle get credit for the quest. Both sides! So, really, there is absolutely no reason to complain about it at this time. Other than to ask if they'll ever fix it to work correctly?
borg hunt is one of the only real places to relax and have fun. Theres no score to worry about, the game finishes itself, you get credit regardless of who wins, and occasionally you get to pvp fleetmates. It's the casual pvp where people don't care about dying or capping points, they have fun. If that version of fun is killing other players then I can live with it, hell I do it all the time.
note: allegience shifted pvp is fun, really, really fun.
I have never actually been in that zone when the feds have won. I usually complete it by myself to get it done in any reasonable amount of time. Seriously, I have never been in there without having to kill 2 of the hulks. It's usually all 4 though. I think feds just go there to talk and feel like they are pvping.
Every time I enter this zone, its always filled with Griefers of the worst kind. Sure, it's a PvP zone, but the way Cryptic has it handled, it's done in the worst way. Because the majority of PvPers in the zone aren't there for the sake of the mission, instead they are there to PvP those who are doing the mission. In other words, griefing.
You got either Federation players purposely abusing the Code to PvP against other Federaiton, instead of fighting Klingons or participating in the mission. Or you got Klingon players hiding in cloak, waiting for Federation players to be easy kills. (Which regarded as a dishonorable act by Klingon doctrine).
It's terrible to think that Cryptic would approve of such a zone, that actually encourages griefing. So I hope they soon will change it that it would a proper competitive PvP zone, than a zone full of opportunists whose only reward is to be a greifer.
You forgot that when the zone resets that it puts enemies on the same side so that if you are a bop then poof you are surrounded by 8 feds who attack instantly without giving you the ability to get away and then camp the spawn point.
I have never actually been in that zone when the feds have won. I usually complete it by myself to get it done in any reasonable amount of time. Seriously, I have never been in there without having to kill 2 of the hulks. It's usually all 4 though. I think feds just go there to talk and feel like they are pvping.
Klingons can scan the encryption nodes far faster than federation, because we can just cloak and fly to all the nodes in the amount of time it takes the fedball to fight their way through to one or two. Some of that may be bad tactics on federation side, as, you know, this is one map where Mask Energy Signatures would actually be useful; but as far as I can tell cloak really, really speeds up our ability to complete that map.
borg hunt is one of the only real places to relax and have fun. Theres no score to worry about, the game finishes itself, you get credit regardless of who wins, and occasionally you get to pvp fleetmates. It's the casual pvp where people don't care about dying or capping points, they have fun. If that version of fun is killing other players then I can live with it, hell I do it all the time.
note: allegience shifted pvp is fun, really, really fun.
Yupp indeed. Its tons of fun! And i can remember blowing you up a few times
Every time I enter this zone, its always filled with Griefers of the worst kind. Sure, it's a PvP zone, but the way Cryptic has it handled, it's done in the worst way. Because the majority of PvPers in the zone aren't there for the sake of the mission, instead they are there to PvP those who are doing the mission. In other words, griefing.
You got either Federation players purposely abusing the Code to PvP against other Federaiton, instead of fighting Klingons or participating in the mission. Or you got Klingon players hiding in cloak, waiting for Federation players to be easy kills. (Which regarded as a dishonorable act by Klingon doctrine).
It's terrible to think that Cryptic would approve of such a zone, that actually encourages griefing. So I hope they soon will change it that it would a proper competitive PvP zone, than a zone full of opportunists whose only reward is to be a greifer.
What is the dishonor of which you speak. I see no dishonor in granting a warrior an "honorable" death at another warriors hand than that of the mindless borg horde. I see it as an opportunity to properly grant your sprit peace in the afterlife. I would expect nothing less from you in return. In fact, I would demand it of you!
When feds shoot at me during the reset, they consent to me blowing them up as much as I feel like. I usually don't bother the feds that run away from the spawn point during a reset but thats me.
What is the dishonor of which you speak. I see no dishonor in granting a warrior an "honorable" death at another warriors hand than that of the mindless borg horde. I see it as an opportunity to properly grant your sprit peace in the afterlife. I would expect nothing less from you in return. In fact, I would demand it of you!
yeah! I totally agree with that besides like previously stated the point is to keep the other side from finishing.
Borg Hunt is the best thing in the game atm, its the reason I keep playing basically. One time I respawned as a hostile there, obviously had all the other feds firing at me. I managed to escape, but 3 players kept chasing me. Eventually I turned around and fought them...managed to kill the two escorts, cruiser made a run for it...chased him across the map, finally caught up with him and destroyed him. Cruiser guy whispers me "you wan.ker" It makes it all worth it.:)
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do you have any suggestions for how they should change it? is there a change you can think of that will allow only "proper" pvp and prevent "opportunism"?
I could suggest that rather than waste their time with games Cryptic should instead solve world hunger, but if I don't have any practical ideas on how to do that it's really not much of a suggestion.
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Thanks for that! I'll give it a whirl.
With an actual scoring and reward, I would expect klingon side to actually attempt completing the mission.
It may be important to note that on the test server you can't scan encryption nodes while cloaked anymore either, which was kind of rich.
What do you actually expect KDF players to do? Every time I've been to Ker'rat, the Feds outnumber the KDF 5:1 or worse. The change where you can't scan the nodes while cloaked is going to be a real rough change for Klingons who will no longer have a realistic chance to complete the mission before the Feds do.
The goal of that zone isn't just to complete the objectives, but to also stop the enemy from completing the objective first. That means that hell yes, attacking while someone is getting hammered by the Borg is a legitimate strategy.
If you just want to PVE without the risk of getting ganked, then you chose the wrong system to play solo in. This is an open PVP zone. Get a team together to watch your back, even if all you do is fly around with other Fed ships, or you are nothing but a target and have no right to complain.
Honestly Klingons don't have the numbers to be truly competitive there. Half the people on the KDF side in that map are almost always a few Feds exploiting a bug. But it is a PVP zone, pure and simple. Feds that stick together don't have to worry much about it, because if something happens they can support each other and focus fire.
Besides I don't see you complaining about how Klingons are insta-gibbed every time the zone resets and it throws everyone to the same spawn point.
Seriously? You are complaining because in a PvP zone, you are being attacked by other... players?
Someone hand this guy a wetnap to go with his constant dirtnap.
So in a time of war between the Federation and Klingons, if the Klingons attack a Federation ship, it is griefing? Maybe Cryptic needs to build a carebear server for you where no one can harm you, complete with invulnerability items so the evil Borg can't hurt you either?
I love Borg hunt. I usually die a lot as a Klingon trying to do my dailies, and my Fed gets jumped by Klingons when trying to do dailies. At the end of the day, it is the most random and unexpected rush of PvP fun in the game, and I hope Cryptic ignores your whining.
Back in my day, in old school UO, you could PvP everywhere, and it was great! It was like you know somewhat realistic and there was actual risk and achievement risk involved in the game. But apparently that wasnt good enough for people and it had to be *****fied as all MMOs seem to be nowadays. /grumpy old man
to the original poster, man STOP BEING A CRY BABY. djeezes these forums are crawling with u people. stop ur whining. this is the way it is. go play sims or something. its a frigin pvp map, so your 'ooh stop shooting me' complaints are idiotic at best.
the only thing wrong with this map is the spawnpoint and the fact you dont seem to be able to target half the targets available while they can still shoot at you. and no its not a los thing, its a bug thing.
that said, its a very nice place to go do some 1v1. i got attacked by the same player yesterday over and over. duno why he kept coming back (he was in a fleet escort vs my advanced escort)but it was the most fun pvp i did yet. maybe the fact i kicked his TRIBBLE about 10 times even when hull and shields were down to 50%
goes to show some people still dont have a clue at RA level
Can you show me where that is? It makes no sense to cloak if you refuse to attack targets of opportunity.
That something apparently being that when you are in bad shape they can pop out and finish you off. Bravo.
Maybe I should go down to the local special learning center and beat up on some handicapped kids. But the intensive care ward also looks appealing.
If you can't handle a little bloody nose than go home. The galaxy isn't a safe out here.
I could say the same for you, I fair better than people who rely too heavily on certain crutches. cloak/snb/vm
There are very few skilled players among you and it is easy to find the ones who are.
I refuse to rely on this TRIBBLE because I actually want a challenge, if I die so what. It is however sad to see more and more people going this road. Not very fun or challenging when you can't see your enemy and when you can you can't do anything at all.
What will you do when there is nobody left for you to pop out and instantly shut down?
Hardly any of you offer any kind of valid argument. Its all qq more and quit etc. etc.
Well I did quit and so did most of the casual player base.
Might come back if they tone down all this lockdown stuff.
But then they got a new final fantasy mmo coming out, maybe they will learn from the flaws of the first.
EVE is like that aswell. pvp almost evrywhere and the option to loot your target. i played it for over 5 years, too bad it got old. but everybody who has not played it should try it. its a good game after all.
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But the real problem, and you touched on it, is that the zone is still bugged and pretty much needs an overhaul. I didn't check it out on Tribble over the weekend so I'm unsure if they fixed the issues with it yet.
See, if it were "fixed" this is how that zone would work:
*Same vs Same bugged nixed so you never see that happen
*The correct way to finish the mission fixed (killing cubes till Cube Hulks spawn)
*The losing side wouldn't get credit for the quest(s)
And I'm not overly fond of pvp... but even I can tell you that's how it should be working. But I'd still fully expect to see the F v K battles as that is part of the whole point to it. Stop the other side from winning. As it stands now it's a moot point. It doesn't matter who completes it... both sides in the same battle get credit for the quest. Both sides! So, really, there is absolutely no reason to complain about it at this time. Other than to ask if they'll ever fix it to work correctly?
note: allegience shifted pvp is fun, really, really fun.
You forgot that when the zone resets that it puts enemies on the same side so that if you are a bop then poof you are surrounded by 8 feds who attack instantly without giving you the ability to get away and then camp the spawn point.
Klingons can scan the encryption nodes far faster than federation, because we can just cloak and fly to all the nodes in the amount of time it takes the fedball to fight their way through to one or two. Some of that may be bad tactics on federation side, as, you know, this is one map where Mask Energy Signatures would actually be useful; but as far as I can tell cloak really, really speeds up our ability to complete that map.
Yupp indeed. Its tons of fun! And i can remember blowing you up a few times
What is the dishonor of which you speak. I see no dishonor in granting a warrior an "honorable" death at another warriors hand than that of the mindless borg horde. I see it as an opportunity to properly grant your sprit peace in the afterlife. I would expect nothing less from you in return. In fact, I would demand it of you!
grow a sac you fracking baby.
yeah! I totally agree with that besides like previously stated the point is to keep the other side from finishing.