A repair bill doesn't stop zerging. You even point out an example of zerging in a game that you first said didn't have zerging at all, an example that would be totally applicable to STO.
Show me where I said lotro doesnt have zerging? I have always said in every post the only place lotro does have zerging is the pvp zone (the moors) where there is no penalty for death. I wish youd read my posts and stop just stating that same sentence over and over. You cannot just keep saying the same thing over and over in a debate.
You keep insisting regardless of evidence put in front of you that you are right. You have been countered and you just make up something like I said there was no zerging in lotro. YOU said there was no zerging in lotro and I said you were wrong lotro is setup so that if you die too much you are forced to start over. It requires precision team work where timing is everything. It is impossible to zerg in lotro.
Now please do not just write back an attack. Write back an acutal argument to back up what you say.
So, you think it's okay to get up in arms about an issue that isn't even an issue because people don't know anything at all? It sounds to me like you want to argue for the hell of it.
Noone is up in arms people can talk without being upset. Well some people can anyways. I can. There are plenty of hot topic issues that doesnt mean people got the torches and pitchforks out. Thats reserved for when crypitc runs a promo heh.
So, you think it's okay to get up in arms about an issue that isn't even an issue because people don't know anything at all? It sounds to me like you want to argue for the hell of it.
Sometimes players get together to discuss things about the game they are playing on forums.
Sometimes they even discuss features not implemented yet.
Tha'ts what forums are for Jedi.
/facepalm
So, you think it's okay to get up in arms about an issue that isn't even an issue because people don't know anything at all? It sounds to me like you want to argue for the hell of it.
How can you say that because you haven't seen it it doesn't happen?
I'm merely addressing your POV, as I see it. You claim that a DP is necessary because you see nothing but zerg tactics everywhere you go, and if someone doesn't turn on an optional DP, that's obviously why, right?
Any of you who continue to be arguing based on resource-loss DPs, thoughts?
I think that if they are having a DP it should be something that costs you. It works in other games as a money sink so you dont end up with people with 2 billion credits and nothing to spend it on.
Sometimes players get together to discuss things about the game they are playing on forums.
Sometimes they even discuss features not implemented yet.
Tha'ts what forums are for Jedi.
/facepalm
"An optional DP is pointless. Cryptic are idiots for implementing an optional DP!"
Doesn't sound like discussion to me. It sounds more like an attempt at Salegate: Part II.
I'm merely addressing your POV, as I see it. You claim that a DP is necessary because you see nothing but zerg tactics everywhere you go, and if someone doesn't turn on an optional DP, that's obviously why, right?
Congrats man in the almost 14 years since I started messing with online forums you are only the 3rd person I have ever put on ignore.
I'm merely addressing your POV, as I see it. You claim that a DP is necessary because you see nothing but zerg tactics everywhere you go, and if someone doesn't turn on an optional DP, that's obviously why, right?
You're addressing my POV with what could easily be a made up statement of "I've never seen this zerging you speak of". How is that addressing anything?
You're addressing my POV with what could easily be a made up statement of "I've seen this zerging you speak of". How is that addressing anything?
He just wants to argue and make wild generalizations. Do yourself a favor and dont get sucked into this type of argument. Debate is one thing arguing just to argue is something else. Sometimes people just have to agree to disagree.
I think that if they are having a DP it should be something that costs you. It works in other games as a money sink so you dont end up with people with 2 billion credits and nothing to spend it on.
I disagree. That places a financial penalty on cranking up content difficulty to the point of actual challenge. It incentivises setting the NPC difficulty to "French".
This is speculation but I don't believe the DP will be anything along the lines of encounter restarts, corpse runs, escape pod searches, etc. Teams will not want to wait on that after you die. They will ask you to turn your DP off if any time is involved. If you are pro-DP and we're required to return to starbase 1 after our ship goes boom you will want to play only with other pro-DP players.
That's why I think the DP will be something simple like CoH XP debt or CO Hero Points.
The fact that you have to ask this means you don't understand why we want a DP to begin with.
Depends on which "WE" we are talking about. Is this the We that thinks it will stop zerging? Is this the WE that likes a challenge so they want a DP? Is this the WE who wants a time or money sink? Which We are we talking about?
This is speculation but I don't believe the DP will be anything along the lines of encounter restarts, corpse runs, escape pod searches, etc. Teams will not want to wait on that after you die. They will ask you to turn your DP off if any time is involved. If you are pro-DP and we're required to return to starbase 1 after our ship goes boom you will want to play only with other pro-DP players.
That's why I think the DP will be something simple like CoH XP debt or CO Hero Points.
It'll most likely be the Hero Points, since supposedly that's what our crew are supposed to represent. If anything more than that, you'll get a little less SP at the end of a quest if you die. It won't be anything harsh or remotely gamebreaking, that's for sure.
Chances are, when it's rolled out, people wanting a DP will not be happy about what they get, because it's going to be lame in comparison to most other DP's.
I disagree. That places a financial penalty on cranking up content difficulty to the point of actual challenge. It incentivises setting the NPC difficulty to "French".
The NPCs are already as weak as could be. What it really does is gives people a reason NOT to die, and try and keep each other alive. If you want to play solo without a DP, go for it. I could care less.
Depends on which "WE" we are talking about. Is this the We that thinks it will stop zerging? Is this the WE that likes a challenge so they want a DP? Is this the WE who wants a time or money sink? Which We are we talking about?
Don't forget the WE that want's to foster teamwork in a random PUG somehow.
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Why does it matter if people don't use it?
Show me where I said lotro doesnt have zerging? I have always said in every post the only place lotro does have zerging is the pvp zone (the moors) where there is no penalty for death. I wish youd read my posts and stop just stating that same sentence over and over. You cannot just keep saying the same thing over and over in a debate.
You keep insisting regardless of evidence put in front of you that you are right. You have been countered and you just make up something like I said there was no zerging in lotro. YOU said there was no zerging in lotro and I said you were wrong lotro is setup so that if you die too much you are forced to start over. It requires precision team work where timing is everything. It is impossible to zerg in lotro.
Now please do not just write back an attack. Write back an acutal argument to back up what you say.
And should have been or. My bad.
Because if they won't use it, they'll obviously zerg, because that's all anyone does in STO.
Noone is up in arms people can talk without being upset. Well some people can anyways. I can. There are plenty of hot topic issues that doesnt mean people got the torches and pitchforks out. Thats reserved for when crypitc runs a promo heh.
How can you say that because you haven't seen it it doesn't happen?
Sometimes players get together to discuss things about the game they are playing on forums.
Sometimes they even discuss features not implemented yet.
Tha'ts what forums are for Jedi.
/facepalm
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Well good then.
Any of you who continue to be arguing based on resource-loss DPs, thoughts?
Why? Because I don't want to play in an instance where there is mixed DP settings.
I'm merely addressing your POV, as I see it. You claim that a DP is necessary because you see nothing but zerg tactics everywhere you go, and if someone doesn't turn on an optional DP, that's obviously why, right?
I think that if they are having a DP it should be something that costs you. It works in other games as a money sink so you dont end up with people with 2 billion credits and nothing to spend it on.
"An optional DP is pointless. Cryptic are idiots for implementing an optional DP!"
Doesn't sound like discussion to me. It sounds more like an attempt at Salegate: Part II.
Congrats man in the almost 14 years since I started messing with online forums you are only the 3rd person I have ever put on ignore.
You're addressing my POV with what could easily be a made up statement of "I've never seen this zerging you speak of". How is that addressing anything?
Sounds to me like someone complains that others can't get over said issue and then keeps bringing the topic up himself.
To the best of my knowledge you are the first to bring that topic up in this thread.
Well done though.
You are full of it tonight!!
He just wants to argue and make wild generalizations. Do yourself a favor and dont get sucked into this type of argument. Debate is one thing arguing just to argue is something else. Sometimes people just have to agree to disagree.
I figured that but why don't you want to play in a instance where there is mixes DP settings?
I disagree. That places a financial penalty on cranking up content difficulty to the point of actual challenge. It incentivises setting the NPC difficulty to "French".
That's why I think the DP will be something simple like CoH XP debt or CO Hero Points.
The fact that you have to ask this means you don't understand why we want a DP to begin with.
Can you please let Salegate go.. it's over. This is about DP. or lack of DP, or optional DP or DP of some sort.
What's the DP in Mass Effect (1 or 2)? Borderlands? Warhammer Online?
Depends on which "WE" we are talking about. Is this the We that thinks it will stop zerging? Is this the WE that likes a challenge so they want a DP? Is this the WE who wants a time or money sink? Which We are we talking about?
It'll most likely be the Hero Points, since supposedly that's what our crew are supposed to represent. If anything more than that, you'll get a little less SP at the end of a quest if you die. It won't be anything harsh or remotely gamebreaking, that's for sure.
Chances are, when it's rolled out, people wanting a DP will not be happy about what they get, because it's going to be lame in comparison to most other DP's.
Heh do you really want to go here? Last I hear Warhammer is on life support closing servers left and right.
The NPCs are already as weak as could be. What it really does is gives people a reason NOT to die, and try and keep each other alive. If you want to play solo without a DP, go for it. I could care less.
For Borderlands the DP is having to put up with that stupid dancing robot.
Don't forget the WE that want's to foster teamwork in a random PUG somehow.
Are you talking about just PvP instances, or any instance anywhere?