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Yes or No? These are my questions and MY Opinion to the answers.

Is STO fun? - YES
Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - YES
Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - NO
Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - YES
Does STO need more Content? - YES
Does STO need bugs fixed?- YES

and finally....

Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions as I did, can STO survive and florish, or can the game be forced into obliviion by the it's detractors?

I don't know the answer to the last question, but it is what worries me.

EDITED - JUST TO MAKE SOME THINGS A BIT CLEARER.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Galdirborn wrote:
    Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions for STO to survive and florish, can the game be forced to into obliviion by the it's detractors?


    No.

    Evidence: Both AoC and Vanguard reached a pretty critical mass of whine that was exponentially greater than STO's following launch. They're still around.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    maybe
    maybe
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    to bored to keep repeating same old same old stuff
    yes
    yes

    and finally maybe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is STO fun? - YES
    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - YES
    Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - NO (WoW was awful first couple of months)
    Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - YES
    Does STO need more Content? - YES
    Does STO need bugs fixed?- YES

    As with any new MMO they will grow if the community lets them. I see just as much whine on every MMO forum out there.

    I am enjoying the game and cannot wait for new content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Galdirborn wrote:

    Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions as I did, can STO to survive and florish, or can the game be forced to into obliviion by the it's detractors?

    I don't know the answer to the last question, but it is what worries me.

    No. Don't worry. Sleep well at night knowing that the GAME, not artards on forums, is what makes or breaks a game.

    STO is a very fun game. Star Trek is a very BIG name. Cryptic seems to be trying like hell to get the game done the way WE want it to be done. Their honesty, openness and transparency are unmatched in ANY MMO.

    STO will sell itself. It needs some love and some updates fast, but it has a pretty solid base to build from IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    No.

    Evidence: Both AoC and Vanguard reached a pretty critical mass of whine that was exponentially greater than STO's following launch. They're still around.

    I played Vanguard at launch. Sometimes I still wake up screaming at night.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    No.

    Evidence: Both AoC and Vanguard reached a pretty critical mass of whine that was exponentially greater than STO's following launch. They're still around.

    EXACTLY!!! And don't forget SWG...200K to 7.5k players and it's still alive. Talk about "negative" posts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    • Is STO fun? - Barely
    • Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - Barely
    • Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - Yes
    • Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - No
    • Does STO need more Content? - Yes
    • Does STO need bugs fixed?- Yes
    • Does the MAIN game in STO need a complete rework - YES
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I actually agree with the answers in the OP. However, an interesting question that he neglected to mention is:

    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    I'd probably have to go with no on that. I can bear STO's problems, but only because of the subject matter. Thats not a good sign for people who arent ST fans though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    SpockOn wrote:
    • Is STO fun? - Barely
    • Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - Barely
    • Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - Yes
    • Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - No
    • Does STO need more Content? - Yes
    • Does STO need bugs fixed?- Yes
    • Does the MAIN game in STO need a complete rework - YES

    You answered No to "Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say?". So, even if you like something, you wouldn't do it unless others tell you to like it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    No.

    Evidence: Both AoC and Vanguard reached a pretty critical mass of whine that was exponentially greater than STO's following launch. They're still around.

    In fact, AoC is about to release a paid expansion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I
    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    A Little Babylon 5 thrown in would be nice (PSI Corps), But then it would SWG...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Galdirborn wrote:
    Yes or No? These are my questions and MY Opinion to the answers.

    Is STO fun? - YES
    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - YES
    Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - NO
    Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - YES
    Does STO need more Content? - YES
    Does STO need bugs fixed?- YES

    and finally....

    Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions as I did, can STO survive and florish, or can the game be forced into obliviion by the it's detractors?

    Fun? Until I ran out of content, yes.

    Reasonable facsimile? Yes.

    Worse than most MMOs? STO is not an MMO.

    Do you play because you like A game no matter what reviews/others say? I play a game because I enjoy it. Reviews are for a general 'heads up', nothing more.

    More content? Yes

    Bugs? Always but they are making progress on that front. But the bugs isn't what is keeping me from enjoying the game. The lack of content and broken skill/equipment mechanics are.

    STO will die by it's own hands. Players don't kill games, the developers and publishers do. Until they figure that out they are doomed to repeat. It is way to early to say if STO will survive or not. It all depends on Cryptic.
    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    No. The IP is what got my attention in the first place. After playing COX and following CO I wouldn't have touched STO if it hadn't been for the Star Trek IP. Live and learn I guess.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    Well I probably would. The Trek universe certainly does help sell the game in its current state. But it was freed from the shackles of 'Canon' they might have been able to make a game that was more fun to a broader playerbase.

    For example we could have freed ourselves from Trek 'battleship' style of ship and had other options like starfighters or cargo ships. And not had everyone locked into military classes to begin with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I actually agree with the answers in the OP. However, an interesting question that he neglected to mention is:

    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    I'd probably have to go with no on that. I can bear STO's problems, but only because of the subject matter. Thats not a good sign for people who arent ST fans though.

    Yes I would. I can say that just the opposite was pretty much true for me mate...I almost didn't play BECAUSE it was Star Trek. This game doesn't appeal to me because it's "Trek"...it appeals to me because it's scifi and fun.

    I'm 100% pure Star Wars, through and through. Trek and I do not mix. I prefer blasters to phasers. I want Star Destroyers, not Star Cruisers. I'll take landing on a planet over beaming to one any day. Rebellions>Federations and clones over holo people...But...Cryptic has done a helluva job on making this game appeal to the "SciFi" fan in me.

    So yeah. I would be playing even if it weren't Star Trek.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is it fun - yes, and I dont really mind the ground combat too much...
    Reasonable facsimilie? You have got to be kidding? Absolutely not.
    Where is the exploration? - Rock up to a planet in a cluster and they ask for some entertainment units?
    Where is the diplomacy? - well there isn't any?
    Where are the LCARS interface?
    Where is there any kind of non violent resolution? The whole basis of ST is that diplomacy should be the first option.
    Where is the Death Penalty? (Sorry I just snuck that one in).
    Where are the replicators?
    How come I can massacre a room full of pub regulars and no one bats an eyelid.
    Worse than any other MMO at this point? My only experience with another MMO at this point is War Hammer, and I quite liked that! Servers are more stable, bugs are getting fixed, not crashing too often. no problem there.
    Do you play despite what other say? I agree with the reviews - I'm holding on to see how the game develops.
    More content? Def.
    Does STO need bugs fixed. No I'm quite happy with all the bugs - ho ho ho!

    But the most important question surely is by the Grand Nagus - would you still be playing if you were in a standard sci-fi. I'd say - probably not. Oh well....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is STO fun? - For the first few weeks sure. After the novelty has worn off of doing the same missions over and over and over again? NO. Not so much.

    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - YES. I would agree. It had better darn well be. Its called Star Trek Online. Thats the least they could do.

    Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - YES. I have never heard of a game having two factions where one of them is this underdeveloped. The game itself is ripe with bugs galor. It released with NO ENDGAME. NONE. Zip. Every mission whether it is exploration, patrol, or episodic still has the same elements to such an extent that there's hardly any difference between them. Meaning you're running the same stuff over and over again. Also the fact its the only mmorpg Ive ever seen where you can play VERY casually for only a month and still reach the end without trying??? Lacks content more than any other mmorpg Ive tried. No crafting. Half broken PvP. Need I go on?

    Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - YES, I did. Im probably going to stop playing soon. But thats because after a month and a half there's really nothing more to do with it, and Im having more fun just playing old games I had laying around than I have in my entire time playing STO. I forgot how much fun I wasnt having. And this is coming from a big Star Trek geek.

    Does STO need more Content? - YES. Absolutely it does. It needs a LOT more content. Truckloads. And its going to take them years at this rate just to give it enough to resemble other big name mmorpgs.


    Does STO need bugs fixed?- YES.....still. And a lot of them.



    Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions as I did, can STO survive and florish, or can the game be forced into obliviion by the it's detractors? STO will survive. For awhile. I dont think anyone can really predict what it will become a year or two from now (when it actually resembles a complete ready at release mmo). But no, its never going to be a successful mmo. Cryptic would probably disagree that its not successful. Its probably because they set the bar so low in the first place.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is STO fun? - It is until yo hit RA5 and find nothing more to do.
    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - No, not even close.
    Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - Yes, and it is dubious to classify it as an MMO.
    Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - Stupid question. I don't do anything based on what others "say".
    Does STO need more Content? - Are you kidding?
    Does STO need bugs fixed?- YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and finally....

    Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions as I did, can STO survive and florish, or can the game be forced into obliviion by the it's detractors?
    Do you honestly think the opinions of others will make or break this game? Honestly? What will break this game is the developers and the customers. That relationship is the ONLY make or break for any buiisness. Is this why you guys seem so afraid to openly discuss these problems? Fear of "killing the game" with your opinions? Come on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Galdirborn wrote:
    can the game be forced into obliviion by the it's detractors?

    And exactly HOW is this mechanism supposed to work?

    Are people marching in the streets carrying signs that say, "Don't play STO it's not finished yet!!!" or something? What did I miss? :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    VennJammer wrote: »
    A Little Babylon 5 thrown in would be nice (PSI Corps), But then it would SWG...

    Man I'd jettison my Mother out of an airlock to play a Bab 5 MMOG.... Sorry Mom. :p

    Dragonlance too, but that's a different genre altogether. :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    IWhat will break this game is the developers and the customers. That relationship is the ONLY make or break for any buiisness. Is this why you guys seem so afraid to openly discuss these problems? Fear of "killing the game" with your opinions? Come on.[/COLOR]

    No it's not lol. Whether the game is fun or not is the ONLY thing that matters. Cryptic could club baby seals over lunch time and I'd be fine with it as long as I enjoyed their game. Even a tough guy like you didn't give a TRIBBLE what others thought of him, you play what YOU LIKE, like any man would, so why the hell would how they treat others matter to you?

    Trust me, people will accept a tremendous amount of "getting screwed" by the Developers before they wise up and move on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is STO fun? - Initially yes, now not as much.
    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - Some parts are OK some are pathetic.
    Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - Yes, MMO?
    Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - I play and am hanging on for needed content and changes.
    Does STO need more Content? - rhetorical question
    Does STO need bugs fixed?- no leave them...wait..ok fix them

    and finally....

    Even if there are enough people that answered the above questions as I did, can STO survive and florish, or can the game be forced into obliviion by the it's detractors?
    Depends, can they keep their subs up while content is developed and while they sort out player feedback and hopefully make the right decisions on where to take the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is STO fun? - YES
    It's fun for me, hence I pay a subscription

    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - YES
    Close enough for my tastes, but I'm not a hardcore trek cannon lorekeeper

    Is STO worse then most MMO's at this poiint in their development? - YES
    Yes and no. Yes due to some pretty glaring stuff like poorly written skills descriptions, ability imbalance (SNB + VM). It had stability issues at first but it wasn't any worse than WoW's launch back in 04.

    Do you play because you like the game no matter what reviews/others say? - YES
    lol? Maybe some people like to pay an active subscription to play Starforum Troll Online, but I play it because it's fun for me.

    Does STO need more Content? - YES
    What MMO doesn't need more content! But please, let us revisit old plot missions again, they were fun and some obviously took a lot of work. Let us enjoy them again without rerolling.

    Does STO need bugs fixed?- YES
    Always bugs, pobody's nerfect
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    personae wrote:
    But it was freed from the shackles of 'Canon' they might have been able to make a game that was more fun to a broader playerbase.

    Canon had nothing to do with the game being released a year too early before Klingons were finished, before there was endgame content, or a real crafting system.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I actually agree with the answers in the OP. However, an interesting question that he neglected to mention is:

    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    I'd probably have to go with no on that. I can bear STO's problems, but only because of the subject matter. Thats not a good sign for people who arent ST fans though.

    In all honesty, I wouldn't have even played CO if STO weren't Trek - it was news of the tie-in with the extended subscriptions that led me to even investigate CO.

    That said, I think I would have given this game a shot but definitely not gotten the lifetime and I probably wouldn't be resubbing come April 2. I like the core ideas of the combat system design but the actual gameplay itself is obviously hastily tossed together and the sense of progression feels completely out of whack.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    No.

    Evidence: Both AoC and Vanguard reached a pretty critical mass of whine that was exponentially greater than STO's following launch. They're still around.

    and...
    I actually agree with the answers in the OP. However, an interesting question that he neglected to mention is:

    Would you still play STO if it wasnt based on ST and was just a generic scifi game?

    I'd probably have to go with no on that. I can bear STO's problems, but only because of the subject matter. Thats not a good sign for people who arent ST fans though.

    What those two said and a bit more (of my opinion) about comparing it to well established games.

    WoW is continuously brought up and for good reason. It's polished now, after what 5 years? If you went to the WoW forums TODAY, you would wonder WTF people play it for because it apparently sucks and was thrown under a fleet of busses.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Canon had nothing to do with the game being released a year too early before Klingons were finished, before there was endgame content, or a real crafting system.

    It had everything to do with how they allocated their time. If people hadn't been so demanding about certain things being in at launch (Like the Klingon faction you mentioned) they could have focused their time better and made what they did include that much stronger.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Whether the game is fun or not is the ONLY thing that matters.
    That's kindof what I meant. The "relationship" I referred to is one of buisness. It is a deal based on mutual satisfaction.
    Is STO a reasonable facsimily to Star Trek Universe? - YES
    Close enough for my tastes, but I'm not a hardcore trek cannon lorekeeper
    It has nothing to do with being a hardcore Trekkie". It is completeing missions that have the exact oppisite phylosophy of Trek.
    It is heavily armored, phallic gun toting, unreal tornament players running around "Starfleet" space stations.
    It is boxed in tiny shadowboxes in a UNIVERSE that should feel gigantic.

    It is killing, looting corpses (or did you think those little balls come from nowhere?), and stealing from crates.

    I could go on and on, but why bother. This game does not currently reflect the look, feel, or morality of Trek. And I am sorry, but the truth is, Trek is a morality play. It always was and those that forget or ignore that are doomed to fail when they try to emulate it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mikus wrote:
    And exactly HOW is this mechanism supposed to work?

    Are people marching in the streets carrying signs that say, "Don't play STO it's not finished yet!!!" or something? What did I miss? :confused:

    Huh? Yes they are marching in the "vitrual" streets of the forums. I am not a fanboi, btw - I can call a spade a spade. I have played SWG, Runescape, WoW, quit all those as some point. I play LOTRO mostly now, for 2+ years. LOTRO is a polished and mature MMO that is casual friendly. Some people are saying STO is not a MMO as it is so solo friendly. I for one like how STO makes groups when it is logical to do so, without all the "LFG Blah Blah Blah" other MMOs have. I am not in a fleet, and don't care to be.

    Back on subject, I remember my old boss telling me "Perseption is Reality". Just look at the Health Care bill. Does anybody really know what it all means? No - its only the democrats pushing one perseption versus the republicans pushing another.

    If there were many more good reviews and optiimistic posts here, no one would doubt STOs survival. But that would not be Reality anymore than the current overly negative perseption being pushed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    personae wrote:
    It had everything to do with how they allocated their time. If people hadn't been so demanding about certain things being in at launch (Like the Klingon faction you mentioned) they could have focused their time better and made what they did include that much stronger.

    Nobody demanded that, its what Cryptic told us was going to be in game in the very first inteviews they gave about this game. After that, people just expected Cryptic to actually, you know, do what they said. I know that sounds strange, go figure.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That's kindof what I meant. The "relationship" I referred to is one of buisness. It is a deal based on mutual satisfaction.

    Sorry about that! :)
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