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hm ... i personally dislike the C-Store.

the game costs 3 euros more per month than any other mmo. it has less content than other mmos. and above all that i have to PAY for making twinks to get something done to fill the month i payed for. three char slots are far to less. it should be possible to have 3 kli and 3 fed chars, without paying extra money.

as far as the ships are concerned, isnt it unfair to make kli pay for having as much ship variants as federation?

in addition i really think, making people pay for something that took perhaps 1 day of designing work, is really stupid (you make ONE product selling it to endless amount of people!). i really understand paying for thing as long as a direct work in this case is visible. (eg changing a charname/race etc, which needs a person to open and work on the save.dat on the server) this seems to me like a money-well for cryptic. you pay for things that should be available in game. having only 1 base-ship class per tier isnt very much, and they are all restricted to their tier. and now i will have to pay AGAIN to make game fun.

its like selling a car only with its basics, and then make people pay for every single little tiny thing again, a you need to pay for tires, an engine and so on.
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cryptic said in the beginning, that everything that will be in C-Store will be available through gaming too. that was a LIE. i cant get a ferengi-playable-char by doing a mission, nor can i get these ships by doing a mission. and the 2nd respecc will cost 20ooo !!! merits. i got 20k merits when not changing anything on my BOFF and heading to RA5, then i saved 20k merits. if you are RA5 and you need to respecc a third time again, it will take you 2 month to gain 20k merits again. thats WAY to much, so people are indirectly forced to pay for a standart function by using c-store.

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as far as marketing is concerned this is someway logical, but its also some kind of robbing a person.

while some of these c-store things are just cosmetical, others are not. having a acceptable amount of charslots, having the possibility of respeccing (without 2 months of merit-farming!), which is needed in a game where abilities will be changed to fit balance. (as like in wow, there are changes very often, but then the respecc is free !!!)

the next thing coming up will probably be things like new missions through c-store and minigames through c-store and items through c-store. and all that will not be able by playing.

the game has to less for to much money to cost, and in addition everything that is neccessary to make the game long term playable is only available through C-Points.

imagine every respecc in wow would cost 10 euros or needs 10k gold or such. imagine every hairstyle change would cost 10 euros. imagine every new item-tier set in wow would cost extra money. there are reasons why this game is having 5+million players. its because you pay 13 euros and have a LOT to do and make, that you are NOT payed for AGAIN.
the only things that cost money in wow are things, that need direct work on servers (you know changing a name needs someone open you char-file and change it, someone that earns a loan, and such things, here its one time work, payed a thousand times ... )

with this c-store system you are about to create a devided gaming society. the ones that have money will have more respeccs, more chars, more ships, more and better items. simply: more fun.

i know its cryptic, but it has to be said
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MMO Games with Microtransactions

    Everquest -
    Everquesty 2
    Star Wars Galaxies
    Sony uses Station Cash and also. Card games that allow users to buy items in game.

    Star Wars: The Old Republic, will have microtrasactions.

    Just to name a few of the Pay 14.99 games that have microtrasactions or Card Games. Its a trend that is comming to an MMO near you.

    Heres a pretty good article:
    http://www.massively.com/2009/09/11/redefining-mmos-the-massive-money-of-microtransactions/

    Also, You said that STO was 3 EU more than any other MMO? So are you telling me that WOW, EQ, EQ2, AION, Lord of the Rings Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Age of Conan, and the rest that charge 14.99 Dollars US, are cheaper per month in Europe? What a rip.... we should march

    Mor
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Don't forget WoW has micro-transactions too. Sadly, they're here to stay and are going to mainstream in all MMOs going forward.

    It's there in pay to play and free to play MMOs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    AeonJean wrote:
    Don't forget WoW has micro-transactions too.

    Ack, been awhile since I played, didnt know that.
    Mor
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    AeonJean wrote:
    Don't forget WoW has micro-transactions too. Sadly, they're here to stay and are going to mainstream in all MMOs going forward.

    It's there in pay to play and free to play MMOs.

    Yea...but the MT's in WOW are high priced server transfer, transsexual toon type things. When I left the "pet" store had 2 pets where a portion went to charity. STO has more of a DnD online type of store.(or will when it finally has something).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MorBlade wrote:
    Ack, been awhile since I played, didnt know that.
    Mor

    Yup, WoW has your standards like paid rename character & server transfers, but they also have at minimum two digital pets for sale in the Blizzard store.

    Micro-transactions are here forever.

    Planet03 wrote:
    Yea...but the MT's in WOW are high priced server transfer, transsexual toon type things. When I left the "pet" store had 2 pets where a portion went to charity. STO has more of a DnD online type of store.(or will when it finally has something).

    I didn't know part of the funds went to charity. What a wonderful way to rationalize your purchase.

    I'd be amazed if Cryptic/Atari did that. Buy the old Enterprise-NX ship from the C-Store and part of the proceeds goes to the Make-A-Wish foundation.

    (I say part because companies rarely tell what percent is actually donated.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    AeonJean wrote:
    Yup, WoW has your standards like paid rename character & server transfers, but they also have at minimum two digital pets for sale in the Blizzard store.

    Micro-transactions are here forever.




    I didn't know part of the funds went to charity. What a wonderful way to rationalize your purchase.

    I'd be amazed if Cryptic/Atari did that. Buy the old Enterprise-NX ship from the C-Store and part of the proceeds goes to the Make-A-Wish foundation.

    (I say part because companies rarely tell what percent is actually donated.)

    No but the government keeps a close eye on it to prevent fraudalent claims of charity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    AeonJean wrote:
    Yup, WoW has your standards like paid rename character & server transfers, but they also have at minimum two digital pets for sale in the Blizzard store.

    Micro-transactions are here forever.




    I didn't know part of the funds went to charity. What a wonderful way to rationalize your purchase.

    I'd be amazed if Cryptic/Atari did that. Buy the old Enterprise-NX ship from the C-Store and part of the proceeds goes to the Make-A-Wish foundation.

    (I say part because companies rarely tell what percent is actually donated.)

    It was a minuscule amount from what I remember. Blizzard was no saint if I remember correctly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Planet03 wrote:
    Yea...but the MT's in WOW are high priced server transfer, transsexual toon type things. When I left the "pet" store had 2 pets where a portion went to charity. STO has more of a DnD online type of store.(or will when it finally has something).

    Ummm, not really. There have been no announced plans of adding weapons, items or experience boosters to the C-store. All we're getting is new options for customization, more character slots and a respec option.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The C-Store is just here to let you get an alternative way to get stuff like respecs, character slots, etc
    It's not like they're making you use it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ummm, not really. There have been no announced plans of adding weapons, items or experience boosters to the C-store. All we're getting is new options for customization, more character slots and a respec option.

    Of course anything I'm talking is simply conjecture. I suppose we will see how the store turns out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The OP is complaining about something that has inching it's way into MMO's for quite awhile. Microtransactions are here to stay. As for the game costing more per month than any other MMO and all others have more content.... I think I need some hip waders, it's getting pretty deep in here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Most of you people have one comon problem YOU WANT EVERYTHING FREE AND SPIT SHINED CLEAN. Well you cant have it because it doesnt exist especialy in the world today.

    No one it making you use the C-store so dont *****, plus anything on there is just little adds THEY DONT change the way the game it played.

    ((((If This is not what the topic is about I appologize just sall this TRIBBLE for to long and the wall of txt and title scream complaint))))
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I remember when Cryptic said that you will be able to play Klingon at release, and then BAM it's in the CStore.
    Respecs in the C-Store? More Character slots?

    What a f'n joke! Cryptic are nothing but greedy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    To be fair you could play a Klingon at release and in the beta. It just wasn't a Klingon working for the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I can understand offering a game for free play, and offering items for R/L money that adds to your gamming experience (unique clothing, minor buffs, ect). Face Book has alot of games like that.

    I can understand a gamming companies need to try and get some income for the game they created, and continue to maintain. Were is the incentive to create an awsome gamming experience that could take 5 years to develop, just to give it away free to everyone. Advertisers are only going to go so far to keep the company from going bankrupt. I don't mind supporting a great game that is keeping me entertained for a few months. I spend $20+ just to buy a DvD or go see a movie in a theater, and that only lasts a couple of hours.

    Now were the problem starts is the need to purchase the original copy of the game $50+. Then paying a monthly subscription rate. On top of that any advertising space that the company may have snuck in, one way or another. Then they decide that they will offer (for a small fee) items that can't be aquired anywere else through normal game play, and give the player an advantage over other players.

    I see a trend in on-line gamming that is just getting worse. Greed/profits have risen, and quality has fallen off sharply.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    the ones that have money will have more respeccs, more chars, more ships, more and better items. simply: more fun.
    I know it's hard for you to understand, but that's the way the world works, has worked and will continue to work. Tough luck! All these folks screaming "we want to be equal" are just hilarious.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    the ones that have money will have more respeccs,...

    They will have the same number of skill points. I don't see what's the point of more respecs.
    ...more chars,....

    If you're an altaholic.
    ...more ships,...

    No, they still have the same maximum number of ships. They will just look differently.

    ...more and better items...

    No. Nothing that influences the game balance will be in the store.
    ...simply: more fun.

    Only if they're altaholics who can't decide how they want to spec.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    ummmmm.

    k i say it again:

    the things that are buyable in C-Store CAN NOT BE GAINED BY GAMING. and respec will cost 20k ingame merits, thats unreachable, i got 20k merits when saving ALL merits get till RA5 ! so I AM INDEED FORCED TO BUY c-points to respecc.

    thats what i wanted to say. if it were only pets, would be okay. but the game was designed like a half ( to less char slots, to less ship variants (esp. klingons), no respecc), and now they are selling the other half via C-Store! (more char slots, to be exact: one, more ships, more playable races)

    and cryptic said, everything that will be in C-Store will be available through gaming.

    now: can i get a fed kli playable char by gaming? NO. can i get those new ships by gaming? NO. can i reach respecc through gaming? NO(t really) .( yes but 20k!!! merits, tzhat needs 2 month of work to get a respecc?!)

    and as i described: the things you buy in wow are a completely other part. these are payments for real work that must be done to the servers in order to name you char and so on.

    did you actually read what i wrote? i really described the differences in detail to make clear what i dislike in c-store and what is acceptable for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I just don't understand your rage. Respecs can be gained in game, even if it's not easy. Not to mention, you get free respec per rank and when the patch roles around you'll have 1 free respec waiting on you.

    You are never forced to buy to points. What I'm hearing is you're either to lazy or to busy to use the in game method. For people like you, there is the C-Store.

    Races, slots, bridges are what we call cosmetic. They don't effect or affect gameplay balance in any way, meaningful or not.

    You already said pets would be okay, pets are purely cosmetic, why are you letting these other cosmetic issue ruffle your feathers?
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