Hi,
My first post

Just like to give my view on the reason Klingons seem overpowered for many fed players.
People playing klingon will more likely be hardcore pvpers and will also be specced and fitted purely for pvp, they will ignore any skill or weapon layout that does not work well in pvp.
As space combat vs NPC's is so easy, most fed players are not forced to improve their piloting skills, and consequently when they meet klingons who have been playing mostly pure pvp, they are outclassed not only in weapon layout and skill point build (for pvp), they are also outclassed in ship piloting and teamwork skills.
Therefore by default Klingons have an advantage over fed players who are kitted out and specced for pve and also used too fighting NPC's.
There is alot of complaining on the forums about how Klingons are overpowered and need to be nerfed ect, but the reality is that these players are failing to grasp the reason they seem so overpowered.
Comments?
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Comments
You sure your not a klink in denial?
I like it when some klingon uses the defense of "but shields don't work while cloaked!" and seem puzzled when I reply that it doesn't matter since I can't see them. And as for when they decloak, wow shields are down for what half a second? Yep I am going to do a ludicrous amount of damage to you in the time between you decloaking and hitting me with snb/vm.
But really the issue isn't cloak it's cloak with snb/vm.
That's not to say they don't have skilled pvp players and a lot of team work going on.
But honestly I think 3/5 of the klingons I run across is just a crappy snb spammer.
OP? no. Just a sad person who can't play so they rely on 2 abilities to shut down their opponent then tell them to l2p.
did the op just whoop your TRIBBLE in an arena?
So you end up with Klingons who learn what works and how to counter it, fighting against Feds who know how to complain about what works. Then we Klingons switch to our Fed alts out of boredom, try to PVP to show that it's not an imbalance, but get frustrated with our unskilled teammates and abandon PVP to go do our missions, since it's easier to complain about those teams than to try to teach them (lots don't listen anyway).
It's just human nature magnifying issues spawns from the content gap between Fed and Klingon factions.
Waaaaaaayyyyyyy toooo much logic in this thread.
Dont worry, it will change once the first Mister "ROFLOLOL KLINONK ****IN UBA LOLOLOL NEFRF CLOKA SHPIS DOO 200% DEMAGE THEN FEDSHIP CARIER HAS FIGHTASHIPS SPAm ROFLLOL NERFF CAUSE THEY BLOW ME UP WIT CLAOK IN BATLEE EVEN IF IT IS JAM SENSOURS AND I JUST DUNNO" shows up and shares his opinion with us.
It's certainly not coming from you.
More likely that I just whooped his, even tho I do regularly die from snb/vm. 1v1 I can always survive it
Funny thing is I just got called a cheater by a klingon a lil while ago cause he couldn't even get my shields down. w/e
Im a fed player, I do have a klingon char I've started to play though.
lmfao, well looking at the post after yours you freaking called that one.
can you handle that yourself? or do you need a hand stroking that gigantic e-pen?
as for tactics lol what tactics not hard to decloak bwhind somone tractor thenm and kill them. now if they cloaked and could not use full impulse they would have to use tactics.
but one point you are correct on fed side seem to have no smarts when it comes to teaming. i like ground pvp and you make a team and they all run in diff directions like they have 1000k sheilds or somthing. then when we get our butts handed to us they cry thats somthing is unfair.
but as of late thier are some good ones i will not name names here but when we are all on the klingons dont like it at all:) then they are crying. and i have to love that. to hear a big bad klingon say why do you have to use that stun pistol lol makes my day
No but I think you certainly do. But I doubt anyone can help you.
I'm a Fed RA5 Eng/DSSV that is getting bored with the ease of PvE. I get that the Klinks learn earlier how to be effecftive at PvP. And how the Feds rarely do. I'm tired of getting my TRIBBLE handed to me without always understanding why. I'f it's a bar fight, I'd like to at least break a nose before getting killed. I'm not likely to be the war god of PvP, I just want to hold my own.
So, is there a Fed Fleet that cares only about beating the TRIBBLE out of the Klinks? Or do I need to join the darkside and learn from them?
Ash
This indeed is true, I think the same thing, also Klingons usually work together, most Fed teams Im put on is a chaotic mess of people just there to get that few exp points and don't really care, so they dont try.
Slight correction, but RSP converts all energy damage into shields, beams and cannons/turrets. Doesn't matter what kind (phaser/disruptor/etc).
Also, cloaking when hurt and surviving is much harder than you think it is, at least if the enemy is smart.
klingons are a tad overpowered. as ive stated this somewhere else, its not only the fact they have the cloak, its also the game mechanics that makes them overpowered as players. feds do pve constantly and by the time they get to do some pvp, they are facing veterans. what do u think will happen if u put guns in the hands of regular people and tell them to go take a strategic point of interest defended by the french legion?? right!
second the cloak and the fact klingons can put cannons on everything is a bit overpowered to. A is not equal to AB. -> federation ship is not the same as a klingon ship with a cloak. the klingons can have the power of tactic. the only thing feds can do is wait out the klingons and hope they can cut it. most fed teams cant (again)
can u nerf the cloak? i dont see how, they are klingons. if u whant to nerf t he cloak they should have created cardassians or jem hadar in stead of klingons.
why i dare say klingons are a tad over the top (and im serious, its not at all over the top its just a bit of an unbalance) when i play my main (fed RA5) i mostly lose. when i play my klingon, (lc 5) i mostly win. you see. this shouldnt be. you either mostly win or u mostly lose. but not totaly opposite on the opposite factions. thats how im certain something is out of balance... in favor of the klingons.
im not saying feds cant win from klinks, they just need that lil bit extra.
im talking space combat ofcourse.
just a last piece that needs to be said. feds do have it way easier to get gear than klinks.
cheers Dave
... LC5 klingon RA5 fed... sorry but you're not quite in the Foreign Legion yet.
oh another belgian. many have been the eburonen ive encountered in this game. but what i was trying to show was an obvious opinion: if i lose all the time when playing fed, why do i keep winning playing a klingon. my teammates?? unlikely most are feds rerolling an alt. i should be losing just as much. not the complete opposite.
again im not calling in for the nerfbat. but there seems to be a balance issue.
Rank 5. Klingons rank 5 have MUCH more PVP experience.
LT commander rank... which kind of player will roll a federation character at this time?
New players finding star trek in supermarket sales?
Fed players who reached admiral; got spanked in PvP; think it's their class that sucks and reroll another, this time deciding to go pvp instead of leveling like a rocket to 45 not knowing anything of the class in pvp?
Klingons generals who decide to reroll a Fed?
I was Klingon in Beta; and 1 level away from rear admiral at the end of open beta; Rear Admiral fed at headstart; got bored, decided to go back to klingon ... leveled a klingon engineer to BG5; then leveled another klingon to BG 5 (science); deleted the first admiral (the one from headstart); made another one (joined trill at last); now deleted the first general (the engineer one) and rerolling another klingon (tactical this time)...
With that said; what do you think I do when i level a fed? PvP ? Nope; too slow, I race to the top where I can wait for hours to get into a queue...
So why do I skip pvp at those lower tiers? because I think they're unbalanced? nope. Skilled players on both sides and the game will be very close. But I don't trust feds.
You see them in PVE; the first thing I remember to do when I roll a fed is to disable open teaming and autojoining because it really ****es me off to have to share an instance with people who will just bail out randomly; causing me to face hordes of NPCs, making everything slower. I don't expect anything else from these guys in PVP.
Besides; so many people play feds; you barely get to know another, the game doesnt push you to make friends or have any cohesion... EXCEPT on the klingon side; the community is much smaller, and with pvp we are forced to group together to survive; we learn to trust each other and to fight with each other.
Thats where feds fail. There are billions of them... but they're all individuals. Klingons are a team; even if we never grouped before, the game makes us feel like a team. So even a stupid pug will work better on the klingon side; its not just pvp experience; its the whole mindset.
Fed teams that win? Plenty of them... people who group together every day; who know what "TEAM" means. Fleets are still a different thing; many fleets are just glorified chatboxes; where you have total strangers who only share one thing in common, the fleetname. But if you stick to a group of friends and maybe form your own tiny 5 men fleet; you'll do much better. The team is a major factor; PVP experience another. Feds rarely have either; Klingons have at least one; often have both.
LT pvp is highly in favour of Klingons by desigh that the fed ships have zero dps and a laughable tank at that level. You cannot base such an opinion on the most one sided arenas in the game. T2 FvK is a lot more even as Klingons only have Bops or the rather dubious raptor to fight with, yet Feds have access to cruisers.
KvF pvp is at it's most even during the middle ranks. T2-T4 where for the most part it is always a reasonable hard fought battle.
-ken
There are a few out there, I've seen them. I tend not to join fleets and so pay less attention (I prefer joining teams in PvP but then doing my own thing in PvE), but I know they exist; I run into them at times on my Klingon.
Give a shout out sometime and you might find someone paying attention to zonechat; it would be in any Fed PvPer's best interest to find like-minded team players who want to excel in the arena. At the very LEAST finding such a group would negate zoning into a match one at a time with minus in between each spawn, nevermind being able to avoid the suicides.
The better team wins PVP scenario's the majority if the time. The better team can over come Feed Back Pulse, Cloak, SNB, Fed over powered gear and Klingon Carriers.
All of the complaints on this forum is over come by good team play. I play in all pre-mades with my Fed or Klingon. We only lose to other pre-mades that out play us.
Cryptic made a great PVP game then screwed it up with PVE. If this were Planetside where both sides came to the table ready to pvp, the STO pvp experience would have been far richer.
All of the complaints about one side being over powered while on paper may seem to have merit your complaints are irrelevant. This game was meant to be played in tandom with other players so to be successful good team play must be achieved.
Until you play this with good teams consistantly you can't really judge STO balance.
Vllad
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If you get defeated, ask the Klingons what tactics they're using. Or open up with a question like "what power are you using that does ____ to me?" That's how I learned a lot about PvP.