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Hello people.

Now that tribble has been introduced and the respecs are on there now.

I will ask this question once more.....becuase people seem oblivious and are unaware that the respecs system is unfairly biased to new chars.

So on tribble

the in game cost for respecs are 20k merits (yes I know it is in trib but we are moments away from it going live right?)

Max rank players only get 1 respec

New players get 5 respecs

Can anyone please tell me how this is fair?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    Hello people.

    Now that tribble has been introduced and the respecs are on there now.

    I will ask this question once more.....becuase people seem oblivious and are unaware that the respecs system is unfairly biased to new chars.

    So on tribble

    the in game cost for respecs are 20k merits (yes I know it is in trib but we are moments away from it going live right?)

    Max rank players only get 1 respec

    New players get 5 respecs

    Can anyone please tell me how this is fair?


    Because new players have multiple levels to gain skill points that they can TRIBBLE up, whereas max level players are as screwed as they can get at this point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    They get a free respec on every level upgrade, i.e. when they have access to the next tier of skills. Makes sense to me.
    We're already at top level, we have access to all the tiers, so we get that free final respec.

    I think they've done a good job with this (obviously would have been nice to be there from day 1). But obviously this is the STO forums, and people whinge about everything.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I dont even have 20k in merits atm, but I assume that all RA or BG characters will get the respec tokens they are owed right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    Hello people.

    Now that tribble has been introduced and the respecs are on there now.

    I will ask this question once more.....becuase people seem oblivious and are unaware that the respecs system is unfairly biased to new chars.

    So on tribble

    the in game cost for respecs are 20k merits (yes I know it is in trib but we are moments away from it going live right?)

    Max rank players only get 1 respec

    New players get 5 respecs

    Can anyone please tell me how this is fair?

    ??? Cause everytime you gain a rank, you get a new ship and respec for free. You might spec differently for leveling than end game, there is no need in 5 free respecs at endgame.

    They come out with new Tier 5 ships, you dont get them for free, but you did when you leveled up. This is fine and should be this way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hmmmm interestingly people are STILL failing to spot the obvious.

    1 respec at max is ok....meh

    5 respecs at max is AWESOME I could do so much with that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I dont even have 20k in merits atm, but I assume that all RA or BG characters will get the respec tokens they are owed right?

    Considering that I didn't TRIBBLE up my own character without a ton of help from Cryptic's Typing Words Into The ToolTips Department, we had better....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Unfairly biased to new characters? Exactly how many times are you intending to respec your maxed out character?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    they improve stuff in mmo's as time goes on. so naturally the people who play the early game the fastest get the worst of it. its not fair, but it doesnt really matter. :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    Hello people.

    Now that tribble has been introduced and the respecs are on there now.

    I will ask this question once more.....becuase people seem oblivious and are unaware that the respecs system is unfairly biased to new chars.

    So on tribble

    the in game cost for respecs are 20k merits (yes I know it is in trib but we are moments away from it going live right?)

    Max rank players only get 1 respec

    New players get 5 respecs

    Can anyone please tell me how this is fair?

    How are they biased? Oh you mean because someone starting out gets one ever rank? Because obviously as a RA5 you need to ReSpec 5 or 6 times before you get it right? Forget the fact that Cryptic already stated free ReSpecs will be coming along with other major updates....Forget the fact that you can spend Merits....I think its 5k for a RA5 (thats pretty cheap when you consider how much your doing with it).

    Your creating an issue where there is none. Stop twisting the facts because your greedy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sizman wrote:
    ??? Cause everytime you gain a rank, you get a new ship and respec for free. You might spec differently for leveling than end game, there is no need in 5 free respecs at endgame.

    They come out with new Tier 5 ships, you dont get them for free, but you did when you leveled up. This is fine and should be this way.

    How can you say there is no need for respecs at end game???

    I wonder sometimes if I am playing this game with other 'game players'

    You do realise that your BOff's get to keep all the skills your captain trains them right? So therefor if you respec a few times????

    hmmm I wonder.....what could that do????
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    What? Who said anything about anyone getting 5 respecs at max? It would also be pointless. How could you "do so much with that"? I suggest you work out what skills you want, and dont 'confirm' the use of your free respec until you are happy with your selections.

    It is 1 free respec every time you are promoted to a new level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    Hello people.

    Now that tribble has been introduced and the respecs are on there now.

    I will ask this question once more.....becuase people seem oblivious and are unaware that the respecs system is unfairly biased to new chars.

    So on tribble

    the in game cost for respecs are 20k merits (yes I know it is in trib but we are moments away from it going live right?)

    Max rank players only get 1 respec

    New players get 5 respecs

    Can anyone please tell me how this is fair?

    its not and seeing that after RA5 it harder to get merits just makes it worse, And i would just like to point out that remember how people say the cap was not in OB so people could test all the skills ( not that i beleave that ), Maybe the respec price is low now so we can test that aswell, When its live i think it will be around 50k tbh
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    How can you say there is no need for respecs at end game???

    I wonder sometimes if I am playing this game with other 'game players'

    You do realise that your BOff's get to keep all the skills your captain trains them right? So therefor if you respec a few times????

    hmmm I wonder.....what could that do????

    Free respecs are to correct problems when skills change, which 1 does at RA5. They're not to change builds. You can do that by paying for it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    How can you say there is no need for respecs at end game???

    I wonder sometimes if I am playing this game with other 'game players'

    You do realise that your BOff's get to keep all the skills your captain trains them right? So therefor if you respec a few times????

    hmmm I wonder.....what could that do????

    Oh, so you found an exploit and aren't happy you can't...exploit it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    How are they biased? Oh you mean because someone starting out gets one ever rank? Because obviously as a RA5 you need to ReSpec 5 or 6 times before you get it right? Forget the fact that Cryptic already stated free ReSpecs will be coming along with other major updates....Forget the fact that you can spend Merits....I think its 5k for a RA5 (thats pretty cheap when you consider how much your doing with it).

    Your creating an issue where there is none. Stop twisting the facts because your greedy.

    No need to attack him on a personal level is there?

    I have to agree with the OP that anyone at max rank should get the same amount of tokens, I'm still finding my niche and they would help greatly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Why do you need 5 respecs at max rank? The main purpose behind giving them at each rank for a total of 5 is so that any errors along the way can be fixed. When you're at max rank, you should be able to identify all of the changes you need to make and do it with one respec.

    I personally do wish they'd do it so you can only have 1 respec at a time like they did it in Champions, but to be honest a respec in this game is not as game altering as the respec in champs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    My god......are people so blind that they can't see how awesome 5 respecs would be?

    Really does it need spelling out what you can do with 5 respecs that you can't do with 1???
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    My god......are people so blind that they can't see how awesome 5 respecs would be?

    Really does it need spelling out what you can do with 5 respecs that you can't do with 1???

    So buy them...


    Also, reported for posting an exploit on the forums. Reported. Reported, I say.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    So buy them...


    Also, reported for posting an exploit on the forums. Reported. Reported, I say.

    How is it an exploit?

    Working as intended I say?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Nautuin wrote:
    they improve stuff in mmo's as time goes on. so naturally the people who play the early game the fastest get the worst of it. its not fair, but it doesnt really matter. :P

    Hopefully they will do this like CoH does it...

    Whenever they introduce a change to an existing power set, etc., they offer a free respec.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    My god......are people so blind that they can't see how awesome 5 respecs would be?

    Really does it need spelling out what you can do with 5 respecs that you can't do with 1???

    alot of people havent thought about how they can improve there BO's with respec
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Khorak wrote: »
    Oh, so you found an exploit and aren't happy you can't...exploit it?

    How is it an exploit?

    That was just 1 example man dammit......

    Seriously though you guys I don't see how you guys managed to make it this far playing MMO's

    The fact that BOff's were meant to be able to be traded over once you have trained them in skills.....all this is doing is the same thing but without the need to trade them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    My god......are people so blind that they can't see how awesome 5 respecs would be?

    Really does it need spelling out what you can do with 5 respecs that you can't do with 1???
    I'm still not sure what you're wanting to get out of 5 respecs. You're at max level, you realize now at max level you would like to change some skills. You respec into what you want. Voila. Wanting to do it 4 more times is just wanting to switch your build 4 more times. If that's what you're wanting, then you need to pay for it.

    A lot of folks do not think you should be able to completely change your build willy nilly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brucebleo wrote:
    How can you say there is no need for respecs at end game???

    I wonder sometimes if I am playing this game with other 'game players'

    You do realise that your BOff's get to keep all the skills your captain trains them right? So therefor if you respec a few times????

    hmmm I wonder.....what could that do????

    Re-read, I said no need for 5 free respecs....greed isnt nessessary in the 25th century.
    Just like other MMO's, respecs shouldnt be free. Other than 1 free pass, you should pay for respecs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    So buy them...


    Also, reported for posting an exploit on the forums. Reported. Reported, I say.

    its not a exploit LOL
    its just somthing they maybe dident think about when they caped the system that was designed to be un-caped
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Rumbleskin wrote: »
    its not a exploit LOL
    its just somthing they maybe dident think about when they caped the system that was designed to be un-caped

    Reported for aiding and abetting an exploit poster.

    Actually, I'm just going to report everyone in the thread on the assumption that they're guilty of something at some point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The real question would be whether a new character could save up those respecs and have them all available at RA5. If they can, then I can see a valid argument that current RA5's should get the same.

    Otherwise 1 will be enough.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ytram wrote: »
    I'm still not sure what you're wanting to get out of 5 respecs. You're at max level, you realize now at max level you would like to change some skills. You respec into what you want. Voila. Wanting to do it 4 more times is just wanting to switch your build 4 more times. If that's what you're wanting, then you need to pay for it.

    Why should I have to pay for it when new players get it for free?

    Seriously.....it does make me think that I am playing a game with short sighted people.

    My patience is nearing it's end and all because people are oblivious to the obvious.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Can't you just use the BOFF trainer at starbase if you're wanting to give people skills? Sure it costs a couple of merit, but what else can you do with 40k merit..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Khorak wrote: »
    Oh, so you found an exploit and aren't happy you can't...exploit it?

    I was thinking the same thing myself :P
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