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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited March 2010 in PvP Gameplay
I would encourage all Federation Players to boycott PVP until they balance the 2 factions, it's already bad enough when you have 5 Klingons on 1 Federation, this is the skill the Klingon players talk about. It is just not worth at this time. If anyone says anything otherwise they would rather see the game die than ruin their advantage.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Fed teams that steam roll Klingons can exist. Bat'leths are OP though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    By and large I would disagree maybe if all the stars align it may happen but very very infrequently. Klingons are easy button in space PVP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Having 5v1 games is not a fault of the Klingons, it's the fault of the queue system.

    If you queue as Klingon (in T5) you instantly get into a game, leaving no time to slander off or miss it.
    If you queue as FED player (in T5) you have to wait a long time. When you finally get the invite most players are currently busy/afk/overlook it, whatever. Leading to a lower amount of FED players at the start of the game.


    But I guess everyone will be happy if you simply leave the queues and make room for the others :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I would encourage all Federation Players to boycott PVP until they balance the 2 factions, it's already bad enough when you have 5 Klingons on 1 Federation, this is the skill the Klingon players talk about. It is just not worth at this time. If anyone says anything otherwise they would rather see the game die than ruin their advantage.
    And how do you think Cryptic can balance the 2 factions so that 5 Klingons cannot focus-fire on 1 Federation ship?! PvP group-tactics are extremely simple, find the weakest link, kill it as fast as you can, leaving less enemy units to do the same to you, rinse-repeat. There's no balancing that can be done to that formula by any game developer, unless... they artificially provide players with skills that prevent people from using focus-fire tactics... oh wait! The game already has Jam Sensors and Scramble Sensors, so essentially, if that 1 Federation ship used Scramble Sensors on the attacking Klingons, it may have managed to escape and re-join its teammates.

    Umm... wait... you're not going to tell me you tried to enter a PvP zone on your own, are you? PvP is a team sport, I dislike it, so I'm already boycotting PvP, guess how much that does to influence Cryptic to change PvP and make it suit my wants and needs... ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    No really the issue is people are leaving PVP because of the imbalance I was on last night and this morning and could not get a numerically balanced match, other mileage may vary. I don't believe it's the que, players don't like getting curb stomped that is the problem and it is a problem in more than just teir 5, and it's a BIG problem.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    LordOfPit wrote: »
    And how do you think Cryptic can balance the 2 factions so that 5 Klingons cannot focus-fire on 1 Federation ship?! PvP group-tactics are extremely simple, find the weakest link, kill it as fast as you can, leaving less enemy units to do the same to you, rinse-repeat. There's no balancing that can be done to that formula by any game developer, unless... they artificially provide players with skills that prevent people from using focus-fire tactics... oh wait! The game already has Jam Sensors and Scramble Sensors, so essentially, if that 1 Federation ship used Scramble Sensors on the attacking Klingons, it may have managed to escape and re-join its teammates.

    Umm... wait... you're not going to tell me you tried to enter a PvP zone on your own, are you? PvP is a team sport, I dislike it, so I'm already boycotting PvP, guess how much that does to influence Cryptic to change PvP and make it suit my wants and needs... ;)

    If cryptic doesn't balance it there will be no pvp, that simple. The proof will be the lack of pvp till it is completely dead. Oh yeah it already is.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    By and large I would disagree maybe if all the stars align it may happen but very very infrequently. Klingons are easy button in space PVP.

    That's only if you're in a group that has more players than klingons and if you have higher level than klingons.
    Just try fighing RA0 as CP5, and then we'll see how easy it is.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The biggest problem I see with feds is no teamwork. They either do attack pattern: suicide or don't bother healing each other. If your a cruiser pilot and you dont have 1 extend shield your worthless to your team. That said there are klings that don't bother to heal teammates too. I've had matches with feds where there were 5 cruisers and not one bothered to support or heal each other so we just attacked till they popped rsp then switched targets and then switched back when it was up and added some ramming in there. It was not even a challenge. I've had matches where feds outnumbered klings so its not a balance issue they need to fix; they need to fix the damn queueing system. In 5 klings v 1 fed matches I don't engage until feds get reinforcements. There is no point. Don't need 5 ships to kill 1 fed. If I'm in a premade and theres no feds or 1 fed; we usually leave the map and requeue.

    Only real advantage we get is cloak but I'm a cruiser pilot and once I uncloak; I can't cloak again until I'm out of combat.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    So let's talk about this on a couple levels.
    1. You're not proposing a solution. This is a huge drain on your credibility.
    2. Your choice of method is inappropriate. Boycotts only succeed when they put substantial financial stress on a company's bottom line. This boycott does nothing of the sort.
    3. Your explanation of the case for action is weak. It basically consists of "I fought 4 matches this morning (non-primetime) where Feds were outnumbered". This is in no way effective at compelling others to join you in action.
    4. Presenting your case in a disorganized way can turn public support AWAY from your cause. Because you chose to send out half-paragraph blasts in four different forums, you are coming across as a whiner and a spammer. This is not conducive to gathering public support in your favor.

    If you really want to make a difference in achieving your stated goal of balancing PvP, you need to examine all of the above and drastically reformulate your approach. You need to propose a solution, articulate a clear and compelling call to action, and carefully select the most effective means of achieving the result.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You want to win in pvp?

    Get 5 people in a group and join as a premade team in a queue. Stick close together and work as a team. Use BOFFs with PVP skills and not PVE skills for space combat. Ventrillo helps for calling targets, heals, VMs, SNB and other mesmerize.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sarty wrote:
    The biggest problem I see with feds is no teamwork. They either do attack pattern: suicide or don't bother healing each other. If your a cruiser pilot and you dont have 1 extend shield your worthless to your team. That said there are klings that don't bother to heal teammates too. I've had matches with feds where there were 5 cruisers and not one bothered to support or heal each other so we just attacked till they popped rsp then switched targets and then switched back when it was up and added some ramming in there. It was not even a challenge. I've had matches where feds outnumbered klings so its not a balance issue they need to fix; they need to fix the damn queueing system. In 5 klings v 1 fed matches I don't engage until feds get reinforcements. There is no point. Don't need 5 ships to kill 1 fed. If I'm in a premade and theres no feds or 1 fed; we usually leave the map and requeue.

    Only real advantage we get is cloak but I'm a cruiser pilot and once I uncloak; I can't cloak again until I'm out of combat.

    It is not about team work, NO amount of team work is going to help you against 5 Klingons park at your respawn point blowing your ship up everytime you respawn. Correct me if I am wrong which I am not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Edgecase wrote: »
    So let's talk about this on a couple levels.
    1. You're not proposing a solution. This is a huge drain on your credibility.
    2. Your choice of method is inappropriate. Boycotts only succeed when they put substantial financial stress on a company's bottom line. This boycott does nothing of the sort.
    3. Your explanation of the case for action is weak. It basically consists of "I fought 4 matches this morning (non-primetime) where Feds were outnumbered". This is in no way effective at compelling others to join you in action.
    4. Presenting your case in a disorganized way can turn public support AWAY from your cause. Because you chose to send out half-paragraph blasts in four different forums, you are coming across as a whiner and a spammer. This is not conducive to gathering public support in your favor.

    If you really want to make a difference in achieving your stated goal of balancing PvP, you need to examine all of the above and drastically reformulate your approach. You need to propose a solution, articulate a clear and compelling call to action, and carefully select the most effective means of achieving the result.

    1. I am proposing a solution the solution is for the Developer to fix it, plain and simple, you are wrong and have no credibility, which brings me to

    2. You are out of line and inappropriate so please go drink your coolaid somewhere else thank you, My method acomplishes 2 things I don't have to be subjected to being blown up in my respawn point and 2 I can patiently wait till Crryptic nerfs the Klingons and they will.

    3. I have no desire to compell others to follow what I am doing, I am just stating that I am doing it, if there are others that wish to do the same they will, if they don't they will find out how futile PVP is and boycott it anyway and I won't have anything to do with it, I am trying to copell anyone they will do it if they see fit.

    4. This isn't a court I am not presenting anything but my opinion take it or leave it makes no odds to me, my opinion is from my ex[erience PVP isn't working and you can see posts all over the boards stating the same, just do a few match as a fed in game and you will find all the proof you need. It needs to be fixed.

    Oh and by the way you sound like the worst lawyer/ Arbitraitor please, this isn't a court case.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It is not about team work, NO amount of team work is going to help you against 5 Klingons park at your respawn point blowing your ship up everytime you respawn. Correct me if I am wrong which I am not.

    You are wrong. It is and always will be about teamwork. Its an MMO....make some friends, join a fleet, make a team and que together. Use skills like extend shields and hazzard emitters and engineering team to support one another. Get on teamspeak and ventrillo to call targets and focus fire. Do this = WIN.

    That friggen easy....Fed or Klingon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    From what I can gather, most of the issues you present can be easily fixed by joining a queue as a pre-made group. Most Klingon are just waiting for a queue, or are already pre-made groups, but I've jumped into matches where there was only one or two klinks around and they cloaked, waiting for more players to join. That is their only real advantage in those situations.

    A well organized team will always win over a lesser one, and especially over one that has no organization at all.

    So grab 4 of your buddies/fleetmates and start a group, have the leader join the queue and have some fun. Make sure the 4 you pick wont skip on the pvp pop-up. You are free to do what you like (Farming, Dailies, Rave at Club K7) but when that pop-up... pops up, make sure everyone knows they need to drop what they are doing and join.

    You'll join with 5 people at the same spot, and if you stick as a group you stand a better chance of winning. That alone won't make you win every match, but at least you'll start with a fighting chance.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You are wrong. It is and always will be about teamwork. Its an MMO....make some friends, join a fleet, make a team and que together. Use skills like extend shields and hazzard emitters and engineering team to support one another. Get on teamspeak and ventrillo to call targets and focus fire. Do this = WIN.

    That friggen easy....Fed or Klingon.


    I can see you are extremely math challanged 1 vs 5 does not equal, 5 vs 5 is equal, [edit] If the que is empty, right, you won't have a team. I should be able to get into a pvp match without having a premade all the time, that in and of it self proves there is very much wrong with pvp, it (Premade) shouldn't give you that much advantage all things considered. Please [edit] consider that this game needs to appeal to a broader player base than it already has.

    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Seadgir
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ipigi wrote:
    From what I can gather, most of the issues you present can be easily fixed by joining a queue as a pre-made group. Most Klingon are just waiting for a queue, or are already pre-made groups, but I've jumped into matches where there was only one or two klinks around and they cloaked, waiting for more players to join. That is their only real advantage in those situations.

    A well organized team will always win over a lesser one, and especially over one that has no organization at all.

    So grab 4 of your buddies/fleetmates and start a group, have the leader join the queue and have some fun. Make sure the 4 you pick wont skip on the pvp pop-up. You are free to do what you like (Farming, Dailies, Rave at Club K7) but when that pop-up... pops up, make sure everyone knows they need to drop what they are doing and join.

    You'll join with 5 people at the same spot, and if you stick as a group you stand a better chance of winning. That alone won't make you win every match, but at least you'll start with a fighting chance.




    No please see the previous post made by me. So everyone here thinks PVP is perfectly balance and needs no fixing?
    I stand corrected I am not boycotting PVP, I just won't participate in it, good luck finding anyone to play, thank you for convincing me this is a terrible PVP game.

    I guess I'll leave the pvp to those people that like to get blown appart while respawning, it is amazing how many people will defend a poorly implemented system just to protect their ability to grief people.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The problem your seeing has to do with the queue length. Feds have to wait forever to get in a match since the lines are so long. I play on both sides and the klingons wait a very short amount of time and have no content besides pvp. The reason the klingons seem to always be there is because the game doesnt notify you half the time if your doing something. Since the klingons have nothing to do they get the notification. Since the klingons dont have to wait very long they notice the notifications faster too.

    If your in a nebula exploring the game wont notify you half the time that your queue spot is ready on the fed side.

    So combining all of this your lucky if even one person shows up on the fed side let alone a full teams worth. Ive seen this on the klingon side soooo may times. We end up sitting there waiting for someone to spawn in to fight and no one ever comes.

    Most of the klingon player really do apreciate you showing up believe it or not. If you dont rant or cuss at them you will find that while they are owning you because its just 1 vs 5 or whatever you can have a nice convo with them and they will acknowledge you have no chance and will talk to you nicely while finishing the match up so they can get their points and you can get your points too.

    Most klingon players actually have a sense of honor and if you ask them nicely they will 1vs1 with you for the most part.

    Not guessing, seen this happen many a time.

    What really sucks is actually how a ton of fed players act when confronted with the bad odds. They simply warp out. Leaving the klingon players just sitting there and no way to complete the mission.

    Warping out needs to be disabled or at least have the game auto complete the match if all of one side warps out.

    Boycott if you want, trust me the klingons will never know it as theres tons of feds needing their daily or wanting to pvp so your boycott will just help the feds wanting to pvp get into the cue faster.

    So here's hoping you can dredge up suport for 30% of the fed players as it will make the other 70%'s life happier and actually cure the very problem your fussing about since the lines will be shorter :)

    Because if you end up at 1 vs 5 you should lose. No matter how much you may think your Captain Kirk incarnate, your not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Gonna have to give it only a 6 or 7 out of 10 on the troll-o-meter. Too aggressive to effectively gather supporters toward the troll-cause.

    In the sad case that you AREN'T trolling, I weep for the children and wish you luck on your solo boycott.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I can see you are extremely math challanged 1 vs 5 does not equal, 5 vs 5 is equal, instead of me trying to educate you please just go back to school. Stop, please, give up the smoke and go back to school. If the que is empty, right, you won't have a team. I should be able to get into a pvp match without having a premade all the time, that in and of it self proves there is very much wrong with pvp, it (Premade) shouldn't give you that much advantage all things considered. Please use some comonsense consider that this game needs to appeal to a broader player base than it already has.

    My friend it is very, very clear that you are here just to rage and not listen to anything anyone has to say. It is clear that you have very little understanding and experience in STO PvP and you don't wish to gain any. You got blown up by a gate a few times and now you are having a temper tantrum and quiting instead of taking some advice and learning to play. Therefore, by all means, please, please boycott PvP. If your contribution to STO PvP is as meaningful as your thread here, you will not be missed.

    We are done here......
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Edgecase wrote: »
    Gonna have to give it only a 6 or 7 out of 10 on the troll-o-meter. Too aggressive to effectively gather supporters toward the troll-cause.

    In the sad case that you AREN'T trolling, I weep for the children and wish you luck on your solo boycott.

    Yeah I comend you on your nice try on branding me a troll, you must be one of those Klinks that want to protect they're playstyle at the expense of everyone else. I would have liked to play, but that's ok, really I don't need to PVP you guys can keep your pvp to your selves. enjoy
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    My friend it is very, very clear that you are here just to rage and not listen to anything anyone has to say. It is clear that you have very little understanding and experience in STO PvP and you don't wish to gain any. You got blown up by a gate a few times and now you are having a temper tantrum and quiting instead of taking some advice and learning to play. Therefore, by all means, please, please boycott PvP. If your contribution to STO PvP is as meaningful as your thread here, you will not be missed.

    We are done here......


    No your incorrect there is no rage here, I have no problem taking a few respawns because that is all it really is makes no difference to me. I just would like to see the game improved I new you Klingon players would come and try to defend you greifing playstyle. I would like to see the game have meaningful pvp but atm that is not the case.

    If you want the pvp in this game to dry up please continue doing the same thing, because it will dry up and blow away. See ya
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dacrowz wrote: »
    The problem your seeing has to do with the queue length. Feds have to wait forever to get in a match since the lines are so long. I play on both sides and the klingons wait a very short amount of time and have no content besides pvp. The reason the klingons seem to always be there is because the game doesnt notify you half the time if your doing something. Since the klingons have nothing to do they get the notification. Since the klingons dont have to wait very long they notice the notifications faster too.

    If your in a nebula exploring the game wont notify you half the time that your queue spot is ready on the fed side.

    So combining all of this your lucky if even one person shows up on the fed side let alone a full teams worth. Ive seen this on the klingon side soooo may times. We end up sitting there waiting for someone to spawn in to fight and no one ever comes.

    Most of the klingon player really do apreciate you showing up believe it or not. If you dont rant or cuss at them you will find that while they are owning you because its just 1 vs 5 or whatever you can have a nice convo with them and they will acknowledge you have no chance and will talk to you nicely while finishing the match up so they can get their points and you can get your points too.

    Most klingon players actually have a sense of honor and if you ask them nicely they will 1vs1 with you for the most part.

    Not guessing, seen this happen many a time.

    What really sucks is actually how a ton of fed players act when confronted with the bad odds. They simply warp out. Leaving the klingon players just sitting there and no way to complete the mission.

    Warping out needs to be disabled or at least have the game auto complete the match if all of one side warps out.

    Boycott if you want, trust me the klingons will never know it as theres tons of feds needing their daily or wanting to pvp so your boycott will just help the feds wanting to pvp get into the cue faster.

    So here's hoping you can dredge up suport for 30% of the fed players as it will make the other 70%'s life happier and actually cure the very problem your fussing about since the lines will be shorter :)

    Because if you end up at 1 vs 5 you should lose. No matter how much you may think your Captain Kirk incarnate, your not.

    Honor? Most of them that I see will state something like "TRIBBLE that B****" when they blow you up. I dont blame the Klingons for the issues in PVP. I blame Cryptic. Why they would create a PVP area where you are intentionally seperated from your teammates upon respawn. For clarification I mean if me and a teammate both die at the same time. I respawn at one point. He respawns at another. I then have to fly a good 50-60k just to meet up with him. Increasing my chances of being blown to bits by at Klingon Battle Ball if they didnt get to me at the respawn point. So its TOO easy to get picked off in this game.

    I wouldnt be bothered if it was entirely the players fault for getting the TRIBBLE blown out of them. But currently the issue in PVP is that its not tactics but where your place upon respawn that decides wether your going to succeed or not.

    I dont want an advantage of the Klingons. I just want a fair chance to win. Im sure they want to same, excluding the griefers. Griefers are always the worst gamers. They arent capable of being good or great at something. They need an exploit to get 1 up on someone.

    Is that the type of people we want in our games? Is that the type of gamestyle we want to promote?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Yeah I comend you on your nice try on branding me a troll, you must be one of those Klinks that want to protect they're playstyle at the expense of everyone else. I would have liked to play, but that's ok, really I don't need to PVP you guys can keep your pvp to your selves. enjoy

    I know your responding to someone else but I want to point out as of the last week Ive been playing my fed character and doing just fine vs klingons. What I would highly recommend is you make a klingon character and play it up to at least captain. You will learn a few things that should change your opinion of it all.

    First klingon ships are not overpowered. When you die a few thousand times you will see that.

    Klingons by nature are better players. Not because they are klingons but because if you do something over and over again your bound to get better at it. All a klingon player has to do is pvp. So all they do is pvp, over and over and over again. No cool down down doing storyline missions. Its constant pvp.

    When doing constant pvp your constantly tuning your ship and skills for pvp. My fed character is so pathetic skill point wise its scary I win against any klingons to be honest. Its the first character I made and I was soooo clueless on what to spend the points on. Im waiting on respec to make my fed shine but even with the character being horribly built and that build being a mega handicap I do pretty good and win pvp matches with it.

    With klingons you learn to play to your strong point. You are in so many pvp matches you learn what those strong points are. Its hard to play to something if you dont know what it is you need to play to now isnt it?

    You may refuse to try this as a friend of mine did when he started but he got so ****ed at tier 3 on the fed side he was about to quit. I finally got him to make a klingon character. He cussed about that thru the end of tier 2 on the klingon side and then things started to change.

    He is now a bg5 on the klingon side so we went back to finish his fed. His first words when he logged into his fed character was, "What the hell was I doing with this thing, its loaded out all wrong. The skills are wrong, the weapons setup is wrong, etc"

    He's now complaining that the fed side is too easy and wanting cryptic to up the difficulty on all the missions as he can solo them blindfolded.

    The skills and stuff he learned playing the klingon was a game turning point for him. So before saying it needs balancing you need to play a klingon for awhile. Trust me the grass isnt any greener over there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    No please see the privous post made by me. So everyone here thinks PVP is perfectly balance and needs no fixing?
    I stand corrected I am not boycotting PVP, I just won't participate in it, good luck finding anyone to play, thank you for convincing me this is a terrible PVP game.

    I personally have no problem making a pre-made group with my fleet and enjoying pvp matches and winning them.

    I am not math challenged either, thank you. 1 vs 5 is a loss no matter what, even in a team, if your team is not backing you up. You are complaining about joining games where there is only one fed ship and 5 klinks. So I'll tell you again, join with 4 of your friends at the same time in a group you made before you queued up for PVP.

    Now, if you can't find 4 other people willing to do PVP at the same time, then maybe you can post on these forums or look for a fleet who is into PVP.

    I don't know how else to explain it to you, quit joining pvp solo and expecting 4 other feds to join at the exact same second as you. If you can't get that, then I dont know what else to tell you. Maybe you will have better luck in fed vs fed pvp when it is released. But then, you'll get just as much blown right out of the sky against a real team.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Honor? Most of them that I see will state something like "TRIBBLE that B****" when they blow you up. I dont blame the Klingons for the issues in PVP. I blame Cryptic. Why they would create a PVP area where you are intentionally seperated from your teammates upon respawn. For clarification I mean if me and a teammate both die at the same time. I respawn at one point. He respawns at another. I then have to fly a good 50-60k just to meet up with him. Increasing my chances of being blown to bits by at Klingon Battle Ball if they didnt get to me at the respawn point. So its TOO easy to get picked off in this game.

    I wouldnt be bothered if it was entirely the players fault for getting the TRIBBLE blown out of them. But currently the issue in PVP is that its not tactics but where your place upon respawn that decides wether your going to succeed or not.

    I dont want an advantage of the Klingons. I just want a fair chance to win. Im sure they want to same, excluding the griefers. Griefers are always the worst gamers. They arent capable of being good or great at something. They need an exploit to get 1 up on someone.

    Is that the type of people we want in our games? Is that the type of gamestyle we want to promote?

    Some have no honor. But most of those are lower levels. What I have seen though is the honor going down at t5. I think its the feds whinning thats caused it to be honest. I myself get tired of it at times when Im playing my klingon. But I also know from my previous post just now that its from only playing one side and just say gg or something nice and let it go.

    As for the spawning. I like it. If you can get a handle on your group and sacrifice the one left inside the kill ball you can regroup and its not a game loser. 90% of all feds will just keep going back in to where the fight is. You have a good shot when your entire team is alive and together but once 50% get killed that spot is not a good spot to try and re-enter.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I would encourage all Federation Players to boycott PVP until they balance the 2 factions, it's already bad enough when you have 5 Klingons on 1 Federation, this is the skill the Klingon players talk about. It is just not worth at this time. If anyone says anything otherwise they would rather see the game die than ruin their advantage.
    Bye. FvF is coming soon, aka the UFPTRC (United Federation Proctologic Trauma Rehabilitation Clinic). You will fit in just fine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I like to have all Fed and Kling players who lose a ground match 40-0 be perm. banded from Q'n into any of the 3 ground matches. That is all, thank you. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Stormsender, you are arguing with people that win as Feds, why?

    What was the purpose of this post again? The mods have a name for this.....

    You sir have a very nice day and good luck with your protest.

    /ignore
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mike111 wrote:
    Stormsender, you are arguing with people that win as Feds, why?

    What was the purpose of this post again? The mods have a name for this.....

    You sir have a very nice day and good luck with your protest.

    /ignore

    Bye, see your opion is noted but doesn't change the fact that serious pvp issue do exsist and need to be fixed, and as you, yes there are those who play fed and can win but that doesn't mean it is close to the same difficulty as it is with Klinkons, In fact some posters to this tread have posted in other threads commenting on OP combos that clinkons use, so yes please go your own way. GOOD DAY SIR
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    edited March 2010
    Bye, see your opion is noted but doesn't change the fact that serious pvp issue do exsist and need to be fixed, and as you, yes there are those who play fed and can win but that doesn't mean it is close to the same difficulty as it is with Klinkons, In fact some posters to this tread have posted in other threads commenting on OP combos that clinkons use, so yes please go your own way. GOOD DAY SIR

    What is the problem? Camping at the respawn points? Space or Ground combat. I only fought one pvp ground match, me and my 4 fed teammates vs 2 Klingons. We got slaughtered. None of us put much into ground skills but figured may as well see what its like.

    Anywho, in the space arena's the spawn point changes, except maybe in the capture maps. I havent had any problems with campers at respawn points, the initial spawn point yeah but its hardly a dealbreaker.
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