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Caitians - my point of view

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I'm all for adding them, first off, but i think they should be rare. I don't want to walk into DS9 and see ten of them. that being said, they should do the same thing they did with the fed Klingons, and make them a C-store item.

Personally I really do think they would sort of ruin the star trek vibe a little, and my other fear is that obviously they may be conducive to an... unsavory type of RP.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Oh they'll be C-store. I have little doubt about that. But that's really not going to stop you from seeing alot of them. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    then we shouldn't add them at all. If i want to see a bunch of aliens that look like cats i'll go play star wars or something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Idlewind wrote: »
    then we shouldn't add them at all. If i want to see a bunch of aliens that look like cats i'll go play star wars or something.

    You're absolutely right. They should completely design the game to your preferences.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    No, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way, maybe half the players should look like cats. that's totally trek, man!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    seriously another furry thread?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    seriously another furry thread?

    you know what i am sick of those like you so full of hate
    many fans of the race are NOT furryes or what ever
    they just want something non human looking

    how about this line
    lets remove that pointy ear race and there super sex drive
    its the same TRIBBLE as you hate
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    To the Op: Wow, I hate to say this, but you approached this subject with absolutely no intelligence and 100% blind prejudice, against the choices of other players in a manner befitting that of a poorly taught 3rd grader.

    You, in this thread failed to account for the fact that the race in question is canon to Star Trek, while rare, are apart of the series. Secondly they are in demand by a lot of players, who are also paying Cryptic subscriptions.

    You could of course be mature about this and go about the game without caring, and realize that any addition pertinent to Star Trek (especially as far as races go) only adds to the diversity and brings out the color of this universe.

    Or you can scream cliche after cliche trying to find some moral high ground when you are just clamoring at the bottom of the barrel.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    qultar wrote: »
    you know what i am sick of those like you so full of hate
    many fans of the race are NOT furryes or what ever
    they just want something non human looking

    how about this line
    lets remove that pointy ear race and there super sex drive
    its the same TRIBBLE as you hate

    sure i hate pointy ears too. furry tears taste great
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    qultar wrote: »
    you know what i am sick of those like you so full of hate
    many fans of the race are NOT furryes or what ever
    they just want something non human looking

    how about this line
    lets remove that pointy ear race and there super sex drive
    its the same TRIBBLE as you hate

    A Caitain is a furry.. Furry is a synonym for anthromorph.. Sonic the Hedgehog is a furry, Scrooge McDuck is a furry, Brian Griffin is a furry.. etc..

    It's the prejudice behind the term furry that's the problem, not the term itself. Shouldn't call someone hateful for using the word furry, it's only hateful if they're thinking of furry as a negative thing. It's not a sexual term. You shouldn't lump everything furry as being something sexual.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Dwapook wrote: »
    A Caitain is a furry.. Furry is a synonym for anthromorph.. Sonic the Hedgehog is a furry, Scrooge McDuck is a furry, Brian Griffin is a furry.. etc..

    It's the prejudice behind the term furry that's the problem, not the term itself. Shouldn't call someone hateful for using the word furry, it's only hateful if they're thinking of furry as a negative thing. It's not a sexual term. You shouldn't lump everything furry as being something sexual.

    isn't yiff the sexual term for furries?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm all for ciatians, so long as they look like the ones from the movie, and don't look like "anime cat people"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Dwapook wrote: »
    A Caitain is a furry.. Furry is a synonym for anthromorph.. Sonic the Hedgehog is a furry, Scrooge McDuck is a furry, Brian Griffin is a furry.. etc..

    It's the prejudice behind the term furry that's the problem, not the term itself. Shouldn't call someone hateful for using the word furry, it's only hateful if they're thinking of furry as a negative thing. It's not a sexual term. You shouldn't lump everything furry as being something sexual.

    did not know that never saw the use till i came to STO
    the only way i seen it used is hate on thous that like caitans
    bet none of them played wing commander
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    isn't yiff the sexual term for furries?

    yeaah.. I'm not that into the fandom, I do go to a convention each year with friends.. There is actually a lot of yiffy artwork there, but I still don't think it's right to judge everyone in the fandom as having some kind of sexual fetish for this stuff.

    I mean think of it like someone being obsessed with Klingons or Vulcans.. They might dress up as one and/or create a vulcan/klingon persona for themselves.. Being a fan of a species isn't the same as being a fan of a show or character. There's a lot more daydreaming and roleplay involved.. Some people might take it somewhere sexual but it's not right to judge the whole fandom on that.

    I'm goblin obsessed.. so I very much sympathize with the plight of the furries!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I played wing commander, and lvoed it, however the Kilrathi where evil bloody thirsty SOBs.

    the people who will actually PLAY caitians however I forsee as being more like a girl who used to be in my internet gaming group, who had a... distrubing furry fetish. I'll admit to some bias there, however honestly I'd just rather cryptic work on includeing races that had more of an immediate impact then a race that appered in one episode of a cartoon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Dwapook wrote: »
    yeaah.. I'm not that into the fandom, I do go to a convention each year with friends.. There is actually a lot of yiffy artwork there, but I still don't think it's right to judge everyone in the fandom as having some kind of sexual fetish for this stuff.

    I mean think of it like someone being obsessed with Klingons or Vulcans.. They might dress up as one and/or create a vulcan/klingon persona for themselves.. Being a fan of a species isn't the same as being a fan of a show or character. There's a lot more daydreaming and roleplay involved.. Some people might take it somewhere sexual but it's not right to judge the whole fandom on that.

    I'm goblin obsessed.. so I very much sympathize with the plight of the furries!!

    the differance between Klingon fans, vulcan fans etc, and furries is Klingons have a defined CULTURE, they have something going for em other then "people with cat ears and tails"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    qultar wrote: »
    did not know that never saw the use till i came to STO
    the only way i seen it used is hate on thous that like caitans
    bet none of them played wing commander

    I know what you mean though it seems that certain individuals seem to be concerned not with acting in a mature manner, and they appear to display apparent a lack of intelligence. Some of their posts come close to violating the Terms of Service, as they are meant to cast a negative light on other players apparent lifestyles, and even draw conclusions on people due to their game-play choices. I really wish they were better than this but said individuals continue to post very abrasive comments about the other group of players and all they want is an added option, one that does fit with the series and is canon. An addition that can only add diversity. These individuals instead intend to drive a wedge into the player base further fracturing the game, and all for over-used cliches, misunderstandings, and a perceived moral high ground, where one would not be necessary or should even exist. In a game mind you, and some of these insults perpetrated against the apparent Pro-Caitian lobby, I repeat have been very derogatory, and being quite irritated at this, has compelled me to respond a fair amount of venom myself. To those who would say I was judgmental of the Anti-Caitian lobby, this would be less so if they weren't so busy casting the first stones, so-to-speak.

    I will now start reporting particularly offensive posts, that more then usual seem out of bounds, and against the Terms of Service.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    the race has been in many of the books
    non canon yes but so is most info on the races
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    the differance between Klingon fans, vulcan fans etc, and furries is Klingons have a defined CULTURE, they have something going for em other then "people with cat ears and tails"

    Eh.. People are into vampires much the same way.. There's also something called Zombie walks where a bunch of people go out dressed like zombies..

    I'm not the only person to call themselves a goblin.(though I have never seen a gathering of such people, unless you count the band; Nekrogoblikon!) I've also heard of orcs, though I haven't researched them much!

    I would agree culture is the main pull of people into Klingons..(or vulcans.. whatever!) Maybe it wasn't the best example!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I find the inclusion of Caitians.. interesting but for entirely different reasons than others in this thread. Basically they come from TAS in the 70s when sci-fi author Larry Niven got involved. And what Niven did is took his Known Space series of novels and short stories and folded them into the ST universe. He even took one of his more famous short stories "The Soft Weapon" and rewrote it for TAS with ST characters. If this is considered "canon" by the staff it could open up a huge amount of Niven related content such as the Man-Kzin Wars, Slavers, Pak Protectors, Puppeteers heck even Ringworld could make a apperance. Might make for a interesting expansion one day
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Devilcat wrote:
    I find the inclusion of Caitians.. interesting but for entirely different reasons than others in this thread. Basically they come from TAS in the 70s when sci-fi author Larry Niven got involved. And what Niven did is took his Known Space series of novels and short stories and folded them into the ST universe. He even took one of his more famous short stories "The Soft Weapon" and rewrote it for TAS with ST characters. If this is considered "canon" by the staff it could open up a huge amount of Niven related content such as the Man-Kzin Wars, Slavers, Pak Protectors, Puppeteers heck even Ringworld could make a apperance. Might make for a interesting expansion one day

    Caitians were in TAS, that is true, but that is non-canon. They were also in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the Caitian in question was an Admiral who attended Kirk's Court-Marshal. And I agree with the sentiment, the more races, the better the diversity, essentially: " The more, the merrier."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I support the inclusion of cat people. They were in a film and in the animated series and thats good enough for me!

    They are also cool aliens and would entertain people, which are both good things for STO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    As long as the Caitians look like they did in The Voyage Home, I wholeheartedly welcome them to the game with open arms :D

    As for the folks hating on the Anthro community just for the heck of it: You're no better than the folks who pick on and look down on Trekkies such as myself. Plus, like it's been said before, not everybody who wants to play a Caitian is a Furry. If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    they will be like blood elves in WoW, most likely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    But the real reason people are questioning this is that there are SO MANY /far/ more canonically established races that actually have a well documented culture, biology and history.

    Caitians have none of this, and appear only once, in one scene on film.

    The many other races would be far easier for Cryptic to introduce, thus permitting much more variety and not tying up resources that could be much better used elsewhere.

    And yet some people still rage for cat-people as if their exclusion is some kind of huge Trek oversight.

    If Vulcans were missing, you'd have a right to gripe. Vulcans are central to the Star Trek experience. Caitians are central only to your desire to be a damn cat.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    While they are not as prominent as the other races, they do have a pretty diverse fan-base, even one of the developers seems to like them. And if anything Cryptic needs to keep and eventually gain subscribers. As I have said before, I realize this, and as for me I would like to see Romulans myself, now that there are good relations going with some colonies in former Romulan space, this gives a good possibility for just being able to roll one for Federation while I wait for the faction.

    But I do not mind them getting Caitians, when you think about it there really is no issue, and if this game survives, they will (hopefully) have added and even plan to add 100s even thousands more races of varying diversity. We might see the Tholians and the Hydrans as well, and the list could certainly go on. An addition of a race like the Caitians would be popular, and it might draw subscribers to the game. And it is only one of a hundred. So add them, add them all, the more the merrier.

    The Caitians themselves are quite documented as well, for being so rare. And as I have said they have a strong fan base.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think all characters should look like me! He He!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Bendy head? :eek:

    Meh, it's cat people. Don't really care one way or the other.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    IV4N_R4D3K wrote:
    Caitians were in TAS, that is true, but that is non-canon. They were also in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the Caitian in question was an Admiral who attended Kirk's Court-Marshal. And I agree with the sentiment, the more races, the better the diversity, essentially: " The more, the merrier."

    Not anymore. TAS has been deemed canon by CBS Paramount, albeit as a marketing stunt more than anything else.

    As for the OP's fears, given that there will be a microtransaction cost involved that will limit the numbers of Caitians popping up. Besides i'm more concerned with Starfleet's influx of Pakleds.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mark_Arac wrote:
    But the real reason people are questioning this is that there are SO MANY /far/ more canonically established races that actually have a well documented culture, biology and history.

    Caitians have none of this, and appear only once, in one scene on film.

    The many other races would be far easier for Cryptic to introduce, thus permitting much more variety and not tying up resources that could be much better used elsewhere.

    And yet some people still rage for cat-people as if their exclusion is some kind of huge Trek oversight.

    If Vulcans were missing, you'd have a right to gripe. Vulcans are central to the Star Trek experience. Caitians are central only to your desire to be a damn cat.

    100 % agreed.

    I demand Breen. Stop discriminating people that want Breen more than cat people. Breen, though rarely seen, had a major impact on the history of the quadrant AND are easier to add because they all look the same.

    GO, BREEN, GO!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Caeran wrote:
    Not anymore. TAS has been deemed canon by CBS Paramount, albeit as a marketing stunt more than anything else.

    As for the OP's fears, given that there will be a microtransaction cost involved that will limit the numbers of Caitians popping up. Besides i'm more concerned with Starfleet's influx of Pakleds.

    Riiiight, because paying $300 has limited the numbers of liberated Borg wandering around to, what, only twice the numbers of humans? Add Caitians and they /will/ quickly outnumber humanoid species in the Federation by a large factor, and the micro-transaction will have little-to-no impact on it.

    Not quite sure why you imagine a whole bunch of people will choose to be Pakleds, who by all accounts are pretty stupid. I can only imagine it'll be those people who don't take their character seriously anyway, and right now are running around looking like Invader Zim or the Incredible Hulk or something. No huge change there.
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