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Well, I went over there to see what we (Klingons) were getting.
Don't hold your breath guys..your not going to like what looks like is coming.
They are giving us Star Cluster missions (the same ones the feddies have ...explore three planets and out) and our version of the Crystalline entity, Breaking the Planet and Big Dig....and thats it.
No new Sectors, no new areas, no new multi part missions that one can solo, no huge pve world that the feddies have.
Star Clusters and a cpl Fleet action missions and thats it.
I was hoping for SO much more.
Sure they are fixing lots of stuff...but their priority sure as heck isnt us Klingons.
Here is what I posted on the Tribble forums:
Ok, I have read all the notes, and I went to tribble to look about.
Yes, its a lot of updates and I applaud you Cryptic on a lot of the stuff you have done...however comma
You seem to have lost the forest for the trees.
These Star Clusters and a few fleet action missions are your answer for the HUGE MASSIVE outcry for Klingon PVE????
Obviously you don't get it.
It is my lone opinion that the single, BIGGEST, most IMPORTANT thing that has been needed to be added to this game is FULL, RICH, DETAILED pve for the Klingons. You seem to be putting forth a lot of effort on things that yes may be needed but SHOULDNT be at the top of the list ahead of Klingon PVE.
More Klingon PVE means larger Klingon population. That in turn translates into more pvp between the factions as the population imbalance begins to work itself out. You don't seem to understand that.
This pve you have added to the game for the Klingon faction, while nice, should have been only the least bit tip of the iceberg and is in no way going to mollify or satisfy the needed situation.
You will lose massive amounts of subscriptions in the end if this is your idea of klingon pve.
I'll personally stick around...I am an idiot that way and will see it to the end but I can see the writing on the wall.
This 45 day patch is already a make or break for a huge amount of people. It's all over the forums....you DO read those right? I mean you must, you did fix other things.
I do applaud the fixing of many issues, I am though VERY dissapointed that your priorities seem vastly askew.
Klingons want and NEED PVE. Just like the Federation counterparts have. These Star Cluster missions (explore three planets and out) and a few fleet missions arent going to cut it in any way shape or form standing on their own. It's a good start..but it is kind of like taking a fly swatter solution to an elephant of a problem.
I seriously hope you have some hidden pve surprise coming that you simply havent told us (klingons) about yet and are gonna stuff it in our stockings when we arent looking..otherwise...a pretty drab christmas of a gift this is.
Just my 2 energy creds..maybe I am being too negative...but I really was hoping with the huge outcry about Klingon pve that they would have taken us more seriously.
<insert Klingon Death roar here out of sadness>
Don't hold your breath guys..your not going to like what looks like is coming.
They are giving us Star Cluster missions (the same ones the feddies have ...explore three planets and out) and our version of the Crystalline entity, Breaking the Planet and Big Dig....and thats it.
No new Sectors, no new areas, no new multi part missions that one can solo, no huge pve world that the feddies have.
Star Clusters and a cpl Fleet action missions and thats it.
I was hoping for SO much more.
Sure they are fixing lots of stuff...but their priority sure as heck isnt us Klingons.
Here is what I posted on the Tribble forums:
Ok, I have read all the notes, and I went to tribble to look about.
Yes, its a lot of updates and I applaud you Cryptic on a lot of the stuff you have done...however comma
You seem to have lost the forest for the trees.
These Star Clusters and a few fleet action missions are your answer for the HUGE MASSIVE outcry for Klingon PVE????
Obviously you don't get it.
It is my lone opinion that the single, BIGGEST, most IMPORTANT thing that has been needed to be added to this game is FULL, RICH, DETAILED pve for the Klingons. You seem to be putting forth a lot of effort on things that yes may be needed but SHOULDNT be at the top of the list ahead of Klingon PVE.
More Klingon PVE means larger Klingon population. That in turn translates into more pvp between the factions as the population imbalance begins to work itself out. You don't seem to understand that.
This pve you have added to the game for the Klingon faction, while nice, should have been only the least bit tip of the iceberg and is in no way going to mollify or satisfy the needed situation.
You will lose massive amounts of subscriptions in the end if this is your idea of klingon pve.
I'll personally stick around...I am an idiot that way and will see it to the end but I can see the writing on the wall.
This 45 day patch is already a make or break for a huge amount of people. It's all over the forums....you DO read those right? I mean you must, you did fix other things.
I do applaud the fixing of many issues, I am though VERY dissapointed that your priorities seem vastly askew.
Klingons want and NEED PVE. Just like the Federation counterparts have. These Star Cluster missions (explore three planets and out) and a few fleet missions arent going to cut it in any way shape or form standing on their own. It's a good start..but it is kind of like taking a fly swatter solution to an elephant of a problem.
I seriously hope you have some hidden pve surprise coming that you simply havent told us (klingons) about yet and are gonna stuff it in our stockings when we arent looking..otherwise...a pretty drab christmas of a gift this is.
Just my 2 energy creds..maybe I am being too negative...but I really was hoping with the huge outcry about Klingon pve that they would have taken us more seriously.
<insert Klingon Death roar here out of sadness>
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Personally I hope you are wrong and that there is really some more content they are not telling us about, also, when is the 45 day patch? there has been no date given to start counting from, or, if there has been I missed it.
And this ressource mission (provide some aliens with Communication arrays, Entertainment units, ...), without any vendor for it.
Might be pessimistic, but experience teached me not better.
It's practically cut and paste.
enemy contacts = nebulas
it's exactly the same once you enter them
Btw I really don't care much about PvE anyway, I hope they make great PvP in the future. One that makes sense and is driving.
A self-fullfilling plan. There really are many more Federation players than Klingon (perhaps somewhat due to the glaring lack of Klingon content). So, we'll give the vast majority more of what they have, and whatever resources we have left over will be used to fix minor issues with Klingons (becasue there are not enough leftover resources to fix major issues).
More Klingons quit because the fabled 45-day miracle update didn't give them much at all.
Next update Feds outnumber Klingons by an even wider margain, so Feds get ALL the resources.
Klingon faction closed due to lack of interest and everyone wonders why.
1) KDF wasn't intended to be a PVE faction
2) Fed PVE has had a year or two of development to get where it's at
3) KDF is going to have to be patient so that our content is delicious and meaningful. 45 days isn't enough to develop and code 45 levels of content.
I don't think that the Feds would be roving content. I could see it being Mirror Universe "looking for a good fight". I could also see it being Romulan expansionists, Gorn sympathizers looking to rthrow off the Klingon mantle, etc.
Why wouldn't the FEDS be included in the roving enemy contacts like KDF in Serius or Regulus? The factions are at war...
Sorry friend you are wrong - KDF was to have PVE/PVP - same as the Feds - heres a video from Aug.08 stating it from Jack Emmert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3nhf97Y&feature=related
I'll take these "for now" also, as it involves ground/space objectives, and, they give nice skill points/rewards etc.;)
But why should they add new low-lvl content? Most of the people already have reached admiral level, a lot including me have 2 admirals, one on each side. New content is just developed for lvl 45, and this new content like infected doesn't look very promising.
I just tried to level a new klingon a few hours ago. Guess what? 2 Ways: queuing for pve, or dull nebula-pve with 5 mins waiting timers. So I queued to get some variety. 8 klingons, 2 feds on the map. Great. On Cracked Planet the Feds even left because 5on1 isn't very funny on both sides. Waiting times are ver high and so my main way to level on klingon side is blocked.
Ok, I thought, give the testserver a try. But I couldn't copy any of my chars. Mkay, make a new char, excpected to have a klingon from the start, but no way. Had to go all the way trough the fed-tutorial again and further to even unlock a klingon. Don't know about you guys, but this game isn't very satisfactioning, more frustrating. Changed from 3 to 1 month subscribtion and I think I will leave after this month.
Don't get me wrong, I like Star Trek and the genre, but you expect more from an mmo in 2010 than this. (sry, for getting a little offtopic, just wanted to clear my head hehe)
PvE bores the hell out me.
i have done pve in a half dozen games and this was the worst by a huge margin i have ever encountered. if this is the best they can do then they sould give up now and go home. as a result the last remaining members of the fleet seem about ready to quit altogether
Compared to Runescape this would be ????
- Graphics in general look greatly enhanced.
- We finally got a Klingon sounding computer.
- The federation animation were removed from the Transporter effect. Replaced with suitable Klingon animations.
Not to mention access to Fleet Actions and the CE. (When Klingon's BoP's start stomping the CE regularly...there will be interest in playing a Klingon...).
It's also the first of MANY updates. Things will be released incrementally..not all at once. Which is smart. I'd rather have the content come to us as bug free and well thought out as possible.
Wrong, KDF was intended as a full faction, both PvE and PvP. The devs did announce that Klingons wouldn't be finished yet in time for release and that they would be INITIALLY a PvP faction. Klingon faction should receive all the PvE goodies, otherwise I see a lot more people cancelling sub if Cryptic doesn't get it's priorities right. I've noticed a lot of people on my friends list simply not logging in anymore so the situation is getting more and more troublesome everyday.
And I do totally agree that you can't expect to see the magical light after only 45 days post launch. Adding stuff takes time and yep Fed PvE had about 2 more years of development. Hopefully we'll see some missions transfer over from Fed PvE with a bit of a Klingon "touch".
We'll see what it brings in the long run, I personally am not going anywhere but if the game goes down like Tabula Rasa did then let's just say that I wouldn't be overly surprised. I've seen it all before and I'm bound to see it again. Only time can tell...
I'll stand corrected then.
As an aside, I think TR had too much going against it. I tried to enjoy the game but spent too much time going "Huh?" to really get into it.
HAH!
they are ripping off WoW BG's, how exiting do you think it will end up?
if only MMO devs would look at DAoC's rvr system...
THAT is some serious stuff to take ideas from...
The content could also help set the stage for more robust and meanful pvp by having an open consenual pvp area. These type of missions could then involve pvp. Feds would be able to defend and aid while Klinks could conquer. All of this will take time, but if the developers let us know that these types of things are possible then I have the patience to wait and keep participating. The star trek universe has a powerful draw for me that other mmo space titles lack. I just want to know good things will come so I can swallow the frustration I currently feel for my Klink toon.
I play both fed and klink but really want to see klingon play improved with more pve. I would like to see both factions as well as any new factions bennifit by the creation of meaningful pvp.
Not to mention FvF pvp.. Klingon queues, regardless how small playerbase your side has, will skyrocket to 20 mins at peak hours.
Have to admit, I admire you guys for loving Klingon side so much, even though you have 0 content to go trough. Don't think I'd ever be able to get my fed up to RA5 without some story... game is just too shallow.
I am Commander 8.
Now, I agree that there is alot of lacking content.
I mean, there is so much PVE we CAN have.
Taking down the Gorn/Nausican resistance. Fighting the Dominion on thier property.
Since Klingons are so hard up on the Undine, we can at least SEE one in our career.
PVP is meh.
1) Sad if they actually had this in mind. Real pathetically uber sad. Actually I pray no one involved in creating an online game is this stupid and it was stated by someone that wasnt in the know.
2) It takes 15 minutes to make a mission. Im not guessing Im a programmer. It takes 15 minutes to create a mission in a game like this.
3) 15 minutes per mission story line wise needed to create a mission. Another hour max to lay out away mission content per area and on some of the fed ones, it taking an hour is being pretty damn kind.
Example of how a 2 year old could make some of these missions, lets look at the beam down scan 4 alien objects and leave. Give me a break if that counts as hard mission creation.
Yeeeaaahh, I'm gonna call BS on this statement...