I don't know if it's been asked before, nothing showed up in the search.
In STO we have the rank Rear Admiral, with the pip being a square with one dot. But according to memory alpha, and beta.. and just about every one, that rank is rear admiral (lower half) or Comodore.
The Rear Admiral rank has a rectangle with 2 dots.
(Source :
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_rankshttp://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Rear_admiral)
Anyone notice this ? Is it a Cryptic Error ?
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Amen. It was just be the TOS name for it.
And by the way we can have both rank pins. Lower half and upper half. It's like when we hit lieutenant and could take lieutenant junior grade or lieutenant insignia.
Very true in TNG for example.
When Lt commander Shellby was on-board Enterprise pre Wolf 359, They all called her Commander.
There's also lots of other times, like on the bridge but that's the example that came to mind lol
As for Lieutenant Commander, Lieutenant Colonel or whatever, others referring to us typically drop the Lieutenant portion of the rank. To have someone else call us Commander or Colonel when we our in fact one rank below is acceptable, but to call ourselves Commander or Colonel when we are Lieutenant Commander/Colonel is not acceptable. I only bring this up since I am a Lieutenant Commander in the US Navy.
P.S. The dropping of Lieutenant to the rank is just do to laziness. It's simply easier to drop it when referring to someone.
But as far as Commodores in STO, that train has long since left the station. Give it up, folks.
I suspect that Roddenberry picked up the usage from WWII when it was used in ST:TOS.
As far as "laziness" I know I rarely referred to my division officer as Lieutenant Junior Grade Smith in casual conversation. Now when introducing her it was always used but even then I'd shorten it a bit if the person was familiar with Navy ranks.
"This is Lieutenant JG Smith. Lieutenant Smith is my Division Officer."
Oh, and the way STO abbreviates ranks annoys me no end.
All of us in ST:O shouldn't have a disconnect with this concept - we're all, at start, O1 Ensigns with Captain's authority aboard our boat. As soon as we step off our ship, though, any O2 LTjg can have us at attention for a one way conversation.
In STO, the one pip rank is called Rear Admiral, not Comodore or Rear Admiral lower half, just Rear Admiral. So what are they going to call the 2 pip rank ? Rear Admiral as well ?
It would seem strange to use Upper half, if you don't use Lower half for the other one. :rolleyes:
Rear admiral LH is one pip.Commodore does not exist anymore.
Star trek goes by real navy ranks. The us navy changed it and so did star trek to keep up with the times.
Just another discontinuity caused by lazy writing. The rank existed in Starfleet in TOS, was simply never used in TNG/DS9/Voy, but then we never saw any single-pip flag officers in those series.
It is a rank rarely used these days seeing the entire O6 rank seems to be gone and replaced by Rear admiral.
Here is the list:
Ensign---O1
Lieutenant Junior grade---O2
Lieutenant---O3
Lieutenant commander---O4
Commander---O5
Captain---O6
Commodore---O7
Rear Admiral---O8
Vice Admiral---O9
Admiral---O10
Fleet admiral---O11
Marine counter parts:
Second lieutenant---O1
First lieutenant---O2
Marine captain---O3
Major---O4
Lt Colonel---O5
Colonel---O6
Brigadier General---O7
Major General---O8
Lieutenant General---O9
General---O10
Field Marshal---O11
that is the whole officer list cannot be bothered with the noncoms :P
Why not RA, JG? or 2nd RA. i mean there aren't "Major General, Lower Half "s ... anywhere i can find. The worst thing about Commodore is how close it's abbreviation was to the abbreviation for Commander.
Maybe we could go back to the Civil War (American) where RA was the highest rank with Commodores and Flag Officers trailing. Of course, Ensigns would revert to being Masters (calm down Dr. Who fans, not Simon Pegg). If you go back a little further, you could be an Ensign in the Army (US or GB).
Greetings all
I would just like to inform everyone viewing this thread that I posted a huge update to my thread yesterday regarding the Rank Structure, the new post is on page #17 within my thread and contains a wide selection of Content Suggestions to be associated with the Ranks, please remember they are only suggestions.
The thread is the 4th in my signature and is titled, Cryptic, can we have 11 Ranks instead of 6 please?
There is a lot to read, if you have not previously viewed the thread, you may or may ot be interested in the thread topic but it's still a good read.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Actually if memory serves the rank of Commodore was used in "The Doomsday Device". The captain of the USS Constellation was Commodore Decker.
Then I also recall a Commodore Wesley - but not sure where in the Trek lore he was found.
All that said, I wish flag officer ranks were not in game yet at all. I would much rather see Captain cover ranks 31-50.
Irregardless, I will keep the Captain ranks for my characters. I wouldn't want anyone to confuse me for a desk jockey. ,-)
Commodore Wesley commanded the USS Lexington during the (supposed to be) mock battle with USS Enterprise while controlled by the computer M-5 in TOS episode "The Ultimate Computer".
There is also Commodore Stone of Starbase 11 from TOS "Court Martial' when Kirk was court martialed. And Commodore Mendez also of Starbase 11 from TOS Episodes "The Menagerie I and II". Who took part in the mock court martial of Spock. (He was a mental projection of the Talosians to keep Kirk off guard).
Hrm. I think I want to avoid Starbase 11, if at all possible.
And pardon me while I cover up. My inner geek is showing...
Ah hah! Too late after reading your "Complete Energy Guide" you got exposed.
I knew there was a Wesley somewhere - was worried I was confusing the name with Wesley Crusher from TNG. Glad to hear my brain wasn't as befuddled as I suspected :rolleyes:
Personally, I see no reason for Cryptic to not to do a slight change and thus adding another tier thus changing current lvl of RA to Commodore and moving RA to the higher level. If they want to keep people in to strive to higher achievements - it seems like the only logical choice (besides adding enriched content).
Just my 2 cents
Your naval ranking is outdated. It's been RA Lower and Upper since the 80's and off and on before that. http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=266 link for you.