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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited March 2010 in The Academy
Hey all, I have a little problem. On one of my earlier missions I had to get a fire extinguisher from a wall of a base and use it to put out fires. I equipped it for the mission, but I cant get rid of the damned thing for the life of me now. I wouldnt care except that it uses one of my slots on my action bar on landing party (ground) missions. Any help would be appreciated. I've tried equipping over it, I've tried unequipping it, I've dragged it and dropped it ... every time I zone or log it comes back and eats that slot again.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It does this even when you put it in the bank?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Have you tried to sell it? The price says 0 but I had this problem on my last character to run this mission and it went away when I sold it. Never had the problem in beta or my other two characters in retail.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Is it ever useful again? Or should I go ahead and destroy it/sell it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It's fun in the station, to spray toons, hoping that the player had his volume up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Benfea wrote: »
    Is it ever useful again? Or should I go ahead and destroy it/sell it?

    So far, I have found no extra use for it. Other than playfully spraying it on STarbase, using it as a RP prop, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Right click and discard?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sounds like you are trying to discard it from the power tray, rather then your equipment screen.

    Press U drag it out of your slot.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I've heard that it can put out plasma fires from plasma grenades, but I have not seen that first hand.


    Z
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    There will be ground missions where the extinguisher is "useful", but not required. You can also put it into the equip slots of your BOffs if you want to see something funny.

    Drag it from your equipped bar, into your inventory, and then into your bank if you want to store it. Since it's a pretty unique item, I'd avoid destroying it in case it's more useful later on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    zordar wrote: »
    I've heard that it can put out plasma fires from plasma grenades, but I have not seen that first hand.

    No, you can't. And yes, I've tried. I thought it was a really interesting item to have eating up your slot; a creative way to remove an environmental debuff.

    But like the goggles, the extinguisher does nothing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    splatomat wrote: »
    No, you can't. And yes, I've tried. I thought it was a really interesting item to have eating up your slot; a creative way to remove an environmental debuff.

    But like the goggles, the extinguisher does nothing.

    I had the same idea to use it to remove Plasma fires, but it doesn't effect them sadly.

    It still looks pretty cool so I still keep mine.

    I guessa it would be a game breaker to have an effective way to nullify plasma weapon fiires.

    :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Dekath wrote: »
    I had the same idea to use it to remove Plasma fires, but it doesn't effect them sadly.

    It still looks pretty cool so I still keep mine.

    I guessa it would be a game breaker to have an effective way to nullify plasma weapon fiires.

    :rolleyes:

    lol

    Especially considering how long that animation is, and the notion that you can't do anything else while you're extinguishing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I've tried the fire extinguisher in many missions on all kinds of fires, it never worked other than on the fire in the mission where the fire extinguisher is first given to you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I too have tried it on all types of fires without effect. I don't want the fix to be removing the device after mission completion, I keep it just to spray in the middle of missions anyway (and starbase).

    What they should do is allow it to extinguish fires anywhere in the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    splatomat wrote: »
    No, you can't. And yes, I've tried. I thought it was a really interesting item to have eating up your slot; a creative way to remove an environmental debuff.

    But like the goggles, the extinguisher does nothing.

    It took me so long to figure this out because every time I would use it to put out plasma fires, I happened to time it with when they went out themselves.

    Like 20x in a row.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It took me so long to figure this out because every time I would use it to put out plasma fires, I happened to time it with when they went out themselves.

    Like 20x in a row.

    Yeah, that happened to me once too. And you're right, it's so misleading, and you're so thrilled at your ingenuity, and then...you learn it's just coincidence. It was at that point that I realized that the game wasn't as intelligent as I thought it should be.

    But that doesn't take away from the fun of spraying people who are trying to dry-hump you at a vendor or Exchange terminal.

    Seriously people. You don't need to get up on me to access the vendor. Try standing next to me, or maybe a few inches away. Maybe even say hi before you assault me. Ill be trying to buy something and suddenly my screen starts shaking because some eager Lieutenant (hello beautiful) is trying to physically displace my character.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    So far, I have found no extra use for it. Other than playfully spraying it on STarbase, using it as a RP prop, etc.

    I might be seeing thing but I have been able to put out the plasma grenade fire with it.I'm still testing though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    For the record, the extinguisher does not put out plasma grenade fires. it was a common in-joke since beta to carry it around and spray people in the station. It has no use outside of that mission, and it's a bug that you keep it afterwards, much like the doomsday torpedo launcher.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That torpedo was a huge disappointment. I was going to use my last one against some romulans, I was so giddy at the time.

    "Say goodnight you stinkin' Romulans":D:D.....Nothing:(:mad:
    duke-togo wrote: »
    For the record, the extinguisher does not put out plasma grenade fires. it was a common in-joke since beta to carry it around and spray people in the station. It has no use outside of that mission, and it's a bug that you keep it afterwards, much like the doomsday torpedo launcher.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    splatomat wrote: »
    Yeah, that happened to me once too. And you're right, it's so misleading, and you're so thrilled at your ingenuity, and then...you learn it's just coincidence. It was at that point that I realized that the game wasn't as intelligent as I thought it should be.


    Not to say that the federation might not have some all purpose (types A-C) future fire extinguisher. But there is no reason that a fire extinguisher that puts out "normal fires" would put out plasma fires...

    The temperature difference alone...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    DocGratis wrote: »
    Not to say that the federation might not have some all purpose (types A-C) future fire extinguisher. But there is no reason that a fire extinguisher that puts out "normal fires" would put out plasma fires...

    The temperature difference alone...
    Not that I'm claiming to know the exact characteristics of plasma fires, but seeing as how you don't necessarily need to remove the heat to extinguish the fire, why can't there be extinguishers HUNDREDS of years from now that can do the EXACT same thing that some extinguishers can nowadays?

    Remember, a fire needs heat, fuel, oxygen, and a reaction of chemicals to exist. Come on, DocGratis.

    Toss some sodium bicarbonate silica gel on that plasma fire. Stop it in its tracks!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I gave it to my Engineer BOFF, he uses quit often. Not sure why, but he seems to use it on fires we pass by. I think I need to name him "Smokey"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not that I'm claiming to know the exact characteristics of plasma fires, but seeing as how you don't necessarily need to remove the heat to extinguish the fire, why can't there be extinguishers HUNDREDS of years from now that can do the EXACT same thing that some extinguishers can nowadays?

    Remember, a fire needs heat, fuel, oxygen, and a reaction of chemicals to exist. Come on, DocGratis.

    Toss some sodium bicarbonate silica gel on that plasma fire. Stop it in its tracks!

    Plasma fires create there own heat and can use everything for fuel. You have to deprive it of oxygen to smother it. Since CO^2 is oxygen in another form, you are really just feeding the Plasma fire. It is hot enough that it is breaking the chemical bond between the carbon and oxygen before it reaches the fire.

    I suspose there could be a chemical in the future that at real high temperature would combine with oxygen thus removing it from the air but since you would suffocate without oxygen this seems impracticle for fire control.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    LawLessOne wrote: »
    Plasma fires create there own heat and can use everything for fuel. You have to deprive it of oxygen to smother it. Since CO^2 is oxygen in another form, you are really just feeding the Plasma fire. It is hot enough that it is breaking the chemical bond between the carbon and oxygen before it reaches the fire.

    I suspose there could be a chemical in the future that at real high temperature would combine with oxygen thus removing it from the air but since you would suffocate without oxygen this seems impracticle for fire control.

    Fascinating.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not that I'm claiming to know the exact characteristics of plasma fires, but seeing as how you don't necessarily need to remove the heat to extinguish the fire, why can't there be extinguishers HUNDREDS of years from now that can do the EXACT same thing that some extinguishers can nowadays?

    Remember, a fire needs heat, fuel, oxygen, and a reaction of chemicals to exist. Come on, DocGratis.

    Toss some sodium bicarbonate silica gel on that plasma fire. Stop it in its tracks!


    Plasma is typically thousands of degrees in temp. Plasma is created by arc welding... (which can be underwater)

    I don't think an standard hand-held kitchen fire extinguisher is going to handle that..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    DocGratis wrote: »
    Plasma is typically thousands of degrees in temp

    Which means that standing in it should pretty much burn me to death in a matter of moments.

    Yet I can stand in it until it expires and not even suffer that much damage, even with my shields down.

    ...guess it's not really that hot.

    ...or the game doesn't use realism, and 'plasma' is just an excuse to make it green. When I said "intelligent", I meant from the perspective of allowing the player to find and use intuitive solutions (like using a fire extinguisher to extinguish a fire).

    Also, it doesn't work on regular fires.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    splatomat wrote: »
    Which means that standing in it should pretty much burn me to death in a matter of moments.

    Yet I can stand in it until it expires and not even suffer that much damage, even with my shields down.

    ...guess it's not really that hot.

    ...or the game doesn't use realism, and 'plasma' is just an excuse to make it green. When I said "intelligent", I meant from the perspective of allowing the player to find and use intuitive solutions (like using a fire extinguisher to extinguish a fire).

    Also, it doesn't work on regular fires.

    If the quantity of plasma is microscopic, you pretty much get a pretty light show that doesn't really do much damage.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I gave it to my Engineer BOFF, he uses quit often. Not sure why, but he seems to use it on fires we pass by. I think I need to name him "Smokey"

    *grins*

    /ten.. I said ten characters!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    the sun is made of plasma fire and it burns in the cold of space, doesnt seem like it needs heat, rather it just gives off alot of it. after all if plasma fire needed heat, how would it ever start burning in the cold of nearly absolute zero of empty space.

    also theres no oxygen out there, no atmo of any kind. the stars form out of elements like helium/hydrogen for our sun type and then form plasma fires as the 2 elements change back and forth from 1 to the other in a fusion/fission chain cycle.

    in the case of suns plasma fire is not extinguishable by mortals, on a small scale like a grenade its going to "burn" until its done burning, you arent going to be able to stop it with a hand held item 300 years from now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Interesting how a thread on an in game "noviltey" item turned into a debat on plasma fires and fire extinguisher application.
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