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i cant be dealing with all these weird new ships, why cant they just model ones from star trek?

If you must make all these silly weird ones please leave at least one ship from star trek in at the highest tier so i wont be forced to use a defiant, galaxy, intrepid or prometheus class on principle... id rather a lesser ship than something i dont recognise from star trek.

rant over
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    RichyYoung wrote: »
    i cant be dealing with all these weird new ships, why cant they just model ones from star trek?

    If you must make all these silly weird ones please leave at least one ship from star trek in at the highest tier so i wont be forced to use a defiant, galaxy, intrepid or prometheus class on principle... id rather a lesser ship than something i dont recognise from star trek.

    rant over

    QFT!

    Couldn't agree more. Whoever signed off on these ship designs must have taken a few blows to the head. With the exception of the half dozen or so canon ships provided on the Fed side, the rest are terrible. Where are the classics like the Oberth, Nebula, Ambassador, Constellation and Excelsior......... :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Something else to cry about.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I can answer that.. becasue when they loose the star trek ip they have SOMETHING original.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    RichyYoung wrote: »
    i cant be dealing with all these weird new ships, why cant they just model ones from star trek?

    If you must make all these silly weird ones please leave at least one ship from star trek in at the highest tier so i wont be forced to use a defiant, galaxy, intrepid or prometheus class on principle... id rather a lesser ship than something i dont recognise from star trek.

    rant over

    Every Tier does have one canon ship, except for Recon and the second set of Tier 5 variants. Cryptic had to make their own for those as there weren't any more canon designs. I like most of the Cryptic designed ships except for the Tier 3 science.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    RichyYoung wrote: »
    i cant be dealing with all these weird new ships, why cant they just model ones from star trek?

    If you must make all these silly weird ones please leave at least one ship from star trek in at the highest tier so i wont be forced to use a defiant, galaxy, intrepid or prometheus class on principle... id rather a lesser ship than something i dont recognise from star trek.

    rant over

    They didn't just model the ones from Star Trek because the game is set 30 years after any of the shows or films; you would expect to see some development in ship design.

    There is one ship from Star Trek in the highest tier for each category; Prometheus for escorts, Sovereign for cruisers, and Luna for science (OK, so the Luna isn't strictly canon since it has never appeared or been named on screen, but it is widely accepted due to its appearance in the novels).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Manx wrote: »
    They didn't just model the ones from Star Trek because the game is set 30 years after any of the shows or films; you would expect to see some development in ship design.

    There is one ship from Star Trek in the highest tier for each category; Prometheus for escorts, Sovereign for cruisers, and Luna for science (OK, so the Luna isn't strictly canon since it has never appeared or been named on screen, but it is widely accepted due to its appearance in the novels).

    Well, I don't think the Luna-class itself is technically canon, however, the Titan, Riker's ship, was mentioned in Nemesis. So in a way, every tier does have a canon ship except for the T5 variants.

    Oh yeah, forgot the Tier 3 cruisers, so I guess that makes one more without a canon design.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, I don't think the Luna-class itself is technically canon, however, the Titan, Riker's ship, was mentioned in Nemesis. So in a way, every tier does have a canon ship except for the T5 variants.

    Oh yeah, forgot the Tier 3 cruisers, so I guess that makes one more without a canon design.

    Incorrect. The Cheyenne-class is shown in the graveyard scene of Best of Both Worlds II. It is damaged and difficult to pin down, but it is canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Incorrect. The Cheyenne-class is shown in the graveyard scene of Best of Both Worlds II. It is damaged and difficult to pin down, but it is canon.

    You're actually right. Forgot about it. Still wish they had kept the Constellation though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I recognize that they had to use some filler designs, but I do wish that the top tier ones were the most recognizeable ones from the shows and movies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    It's 30 years after the latest canon point in star trek history (ingoring time travel instances). It stands to reason that some new advanced designs would have come out by then, and that they would surpass what we have already seen in the shows.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Arkalius80 wrote:
    It's 30 years after the latest canon point in star trek history (ingoring time travel instances). It stands to reason that some new advanced designs would have come out by then, and that they would surpass what we have already seen in the shows.

    And yet the Miranda and Excelsior class designs were all over the place in TNG and DS9, so precedent for older designs being around for extended periods is already set.

    Nobody is saying there should be no new designs. People are just questioning the use of predominantly Cryptic designs over canon designs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    And yet the Miranda and Excelsior class designs were all over the place in TNG and DS9, so precedent for older designs being around for extended periods is already set.

    Nobody is saying there should be no new designs. People are just questioning the use of predominantly Cryptic designs over canon designs.

    yup older shps exist and should exist in this game.. but dont for some reason.. and older newer ones like the nebula and steamrunner class where are they at?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Based on the setting, they chose different ships.


    They could have avoided this by setting it earlier in the timeline, but then you couldn't have Star Trek meets Warhammer 40k, now could you?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Savnoka wrote:
    Based on the setting, they chose different ships.


    They could have avoided this by setting it earlier in the timeline, but then you couldn't have Star Trek meets Warhammer 40k, now could you?

    In the grim darkness of the not so far future, there is onlty war?? :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    PlanetFall wrote: »
    QFT!

    Couldn't agree more. Whoever signed off on these ship designs must have taken a few blows to the head. With the exception of the half dozen or so canon ships provided on the Fed side, the rest are terrible. Where are the classics like the Oberth, Nebula, Ambassador, Constellation and Excelsior......... :(

    Meh. I like the new ship designs. If you look at the newer Federation ships that started showing up in the later movies, then you'll see that the new ships more or less follow the trend.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    All those T5 ships that Cryptic made up look *really* bad. This DSSV thing would have been ok in Star Wars, but not here.

    I'm very disappointed by the craptastic work Cryptics designers did with the ships they had to invent.

    The T4 ships are the best thing in the game and when you get to T5, it feels like downgrading. Prometheus/Sovereign variants are ok, though.

    I wish they would fire their designers, scrap all those Dervish/DSSV/Star Cruiser designs, hire talented designers that have a feeling for capturing the essence of Star Trek ship design and make completely new ones.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    with 40+ canon trek designs for the TNG era alone, there was no need whatsoever to have any filler designs. As stated in another thread, i just wish that at the very least, they bothered to consult with the ship designers from the series to make sure the ships were actually decently trek, not the disgusting butt-ugly monsters they are now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Savnoka wrote:
    Based on the setting, they chose different ships.


    They could have avoided this by setting it earlier in the timeline, but then you couldn't have Star Trek meets Warhammer 40k, now could you?

    They had no need to set it earlier in the time line to include ships like the Nebula, Ambassador, Excelsior, etc. The Miranda-class is in STO, and it has been 124 years since its first appearance (and likely longer since it was actually created). The Constitution-class has existed even longer. Every single one of the ships from canon that people want to see are younger than the Miranda-class already in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    They had no need to set it earlier in the time line to include ships like the Nebula, Ambassador, Excelsior, etc. The Miranda-class is in STO, and it has been 124 years since its first appearance (and likely longer since it was actually created). The Constitution-class has existed even longer. Every single one of the ships from canon that people want to see are younger than the Miranda-class already in game.

    Hell, the somraw raptor is from the 22nd century and it's T2! :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    STO currently includes the two oldest canon UFP Starfleet designs actually shown (Daedalus-class was only shown as a model) in Star Trek, then skips every other design introduced up until Best of Both Worlds II (TNG). It takes one design from there, then skips every other design introduced until All Good Things.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    They had no need to set it earlier in the time line to include ships like the Nebula, Ambassador, Excelsior, etc. The Miranda-class is in STO, and it has been 124 years since its first appearance (and likely longer since it was actually created). The Constitution-class has existed even longer. Every single one of the ships from canon that people want to see are younger than the Miranda-class already in game.

    This is very true -- an oversight on my part.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm ok with new ship versions but wish they would also look at the scale they do them in ,, small sample of ship scales.

    http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/gypsy67_bucket/Star%20Trek/mainfleettop.jpg

    http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/gypsy67_bucket/Star%20Trek/mainfleetside.jpg

    http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/gypsy67_bucket/Star%20Trek/mainfleetfront.jpg


    as they are many of the models in game don't really match up with the actual data sheets
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The top tier, Tier 5, does have a canon ship in each one. Escort is Prometheus, Cruiser is Sovereign, and Science is Luna. Remember that there are two ships in Tier 5.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    STO currently includes the two oldest canon UFP Starfleet designs actually shown (Daedalus-class was only shown as a model) in Star Trek, then skips every other design introduced up until Best of Both Worlds II (TNG). It takes one design from there, then skips every other design introduced until All Good Things.

    You appear to have overlooked the Galaxy class.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Overall I like the designs if i had to question any of them though it be the T5 Science Ships, they seem to set themselves aside from anything else within the entirety of the ship designs. While they look cool. Im not sure if it sits well with me that they are such a drastic change from everything else. Atleast with the Cruisers and Escorts its an eventual evelotion as you rise in rank. Not so much with Science as it gets more and more odd until it would be impossible to recognize it as a Star Trek Vessel. I dont want ships looking like its from TOS in the 25th Century. But please stay on course with the designs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm ok with new ship versions but wish they would also look at the scale they do them in ,, small sample of ship scales.

    http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/gypsy67_bucket/Star%20Trek/mainfleettop.jpg

    http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/gypsy67_bucket/Star%20Trek/mainfleetside.jpg

    http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/gypsy67_bucket/Star%20Trek/mainfleetfront.jpg


    as they are many of the models in game don't really match up with the actual data sheets

    Wow, I never quite realized how tiny the Oberth was! It's small compared to the Defiant!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Unfortunately, many of the canon vessels pictured in the game, especially the Tier 4 and 5 ones, have a sad lack of details.

    For example... my Luna-class science vessel lacks torpedo launchers, phaser strips, name/registry decals, escape pods and shuttle bay doors. The dorsal hull's escape pods are black and the ventral side of the saucer is both flatly featureless and hideous with this wierd escape pod ring.

    I never expected Cryptic to precisely stick to orthographic schematics. I figured that 30 years was a good excuse to show some design tweaks. But it doesn't excuse sloppiness and the level of detail on the Luna-class' part say that.

    ...and I say that in the nicest of ways. I'm hoping the artists will revisit some of the designs they rushed out and give them the same loving attention to details as thier Cryptic-built designs show (the screenshot DStahl leaked out about a new Recon science variant is beautifully detailed - enough so that a contrast is clearly apparent).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    STO currently includes the two oldest canon UFP Starfleet designs actually shown (Daedalus-class was only shown as a model) in Star Trek, then skips every other design introduced up until Best of Both Worlds II (TNG). It takes one design from there, then skips every other design introduced until All Good Things.

    Daedalus class doesnt appear, that's Olympic class, a 25th century medical frigate that Dr Crusher commanded during "All good things".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Zephyer wrote: »
    Wow, I never quite realized how tiny the Oberth was! It's small compared to the Defiant!

    yep , right now i'm working on a klingon character and im commanding a BOP, it kills the dramatic effect when i'm fighting a Rom warbird and it feels like we are almost the same size. If they could get the scale of the models right i think it would add alot to the immersion of the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    RichyYoung wrote: »
    i cant be dealing with all these weird new ships, why cant they just model ones from star trek?

    If you must make all these silly weird ones please leave at least one ship from star trek in at the highest tier so i wont be forced to use a defiant, galaxy, intrepid or prometheus class on principle... id rather a lesser ship than something i dont recognise from star trek.

    rant over

    Outside of PvP, there's absolutely no reason you can't still fly a Defiant, Galaxy, or Intrepid all the way to RA5 and beyond. Seriously, don't feel "forced" - you'll never notice the difference. Worst case scenario, you might actually feel mildly challenged once in a blue moon.
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