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I Don't Want to Be an Admiral

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I really don't. :( I never wanted my character to be an admiral, but he's Captain 9 now and there's no way to avoid it if I keep playing. Why is the rank of Admiral even in this game? Admirals, in Star Trek, don't fly around in their own ships and explore the galaxy. They sit behind a desk on Earth and fill out paperwork. I know it's different in this game, but it shouldn't be. It conflicts with the previously established continuity.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    I really don't. :( I never wanted my character to be an admiral, but he's Captain 9 now and there's no way to avoid it if I keep playing. Why is the rank of Admiral even in this game? Admirals, in Star Trek, don't fly around in their own ships and explore the galaxy. They sit behind a desk on Earth and fill out paperwork. I know it's different in this game, but it shouldn't be. It conflicts with the previously established continuity.

    Again another clear violation of the series and movie's about Star Trek lore. :) You sir are right on!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If we're going to have player admirals, at least don't make it something you can expect to achieve within your 30-day trial period. FFS, it feels like such a letdown. Like my Starfleet career is over already, three weeks after it started.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    I really don't. :( I never wanted my character to be an admiral, but he's Captain 9 now and there's no way to avoid it if I keep playing. Why is the rank of Admiral even in this game? Admirals, in Star Trek, don't fly around in their own ships and explore the galaxy. They sit behind a desk on Earth and fill out paperwork. I know it's different in this game, but it shouldn't be. It conflicts with the previously established continuity.

    Don't go talk to Quinn to get ranked up. Problem solved, you are a Captain for life.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Darkana wrote:
    Don't go talk to Quinn to get ranked up. Problem solved, you are a Captain for life.

    Ya great idea you are a captain stuck doing nothing and repeating missions over and over....wait that is all you do at Admiral as well guess it really does not matter what rank you are, in the end its the same dry cracker you gonna be chewin on LOL
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    I really don't. :( I never wanted my character to be an admiral, but he's Captain 9 now and there's no way to avoid it if I keep playing. Why is the rank of Admiral even in this game? Admirals, in Star Trek, don't fly around in their own ships and explore the galaxy. They sit behind a desk on Earth and fill out paperwork. I know it's different in this game, but it shouldn't be. It conflicts with the previously established continuity.
    That is not true .... there have been several episodes with Admirals on ships. True they are not the captain of the ship ... but on several occasions Admirals have been known to take control in battle. And it wont be a violation of ST. Admirals are admirals because they lead fleet of ships into battle. Not to mention ... On opposing ships in ST there have been even more Admirals that were on ships. I recall having seen Romulan and Klingon admirals on ships numerous times.

    Also ... an "Admiral" is nothing more then its equivilant "General"

    The only odd thing about Admirals in the game however ... would be that if of (lets say) 100 players about 80 would be an admiral ... that would be kinda silly. I have never seen an army with more high ranking officers then plain soldiers. Kinda sily tbh.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    I really don't. :( I never wanted my character to be an admiral, but he's Captain 9 now and there's no way to avoid it if I keep playing. Why is the rank of Admiral even in this game? Admirals, in Star Trek, don't fly around in their own ships and explore the galaxy. They sit behind a desk on Earth and fill out paperwork. I know it's different in this game, but it shouldn't be. It conflicts with the previously established continuity.

    The title you display and the pips you wear are completely up to you. The name "rear admiral" on your skill bar can be readily ignored if you want. Just set your title to captain and never put the admiral pips on. Problem solved.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people can't just take a little creative license with the material they have and take things literally.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ThotBracx wrote:
    That is not true .... there have been several episodes with Admirals on ships. True they are not the captain of the ship ... but on several occasions Admirals have been known to take control in battle.

    Yeah, they take command of various ships on a temporary basis. That's not the same thing. Nowhere in the various Trek TV shows, movies or books do we find admirals who command their own ships except in the direst of circumstances and only for brief periods of time. When you are an Admiral in Star Trek, your days of gallivanting around the galaxy are over. In fact, in the movies, Kirk had to be demoted to Captain again just to overcome this seeming obstacle. And later, he warned Picard never to accept a promotion to Admiral, for the same reason.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vestas wrote:
    The title you display and the pips you wear are completely up to you. The name "rear admiral" on your skill bar can be readily ignored if you want. Just set your title to captain and never put the admiral pips on. Problem solved.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people can't just take a little creative license with the material they have and take things literally.

    I plan to do that, yet still, when people look at my info it will still say "Rear Admiral". :(

    I just think Admirals shouldn't even be playable in this game at all, or at least, it should not be anywhere near this easy to achieve such a rank.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You could always set your title as captain. You can set up your crew's uniform to reflect 4 bars for you and whatever rank you choose for your officers.

    I'm LCMDR on my science char, and here's my officer break down (even if they're all lieutenants). One's full LT, 2 LTJG, 1 ENS, 1 CPO (He's engineer, and I liked O'Brien :D )

    You just have access to better ships and gear, and the missions all call you admiral, but until Cryptic makes any changes, try some RP and uniform ranks.

    Meh, guy above beat me too it :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As I recall, Kirk was an Admiral and commanded both a Klingon and Fed ships in the movies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TZRaceR6 wrote: »
    As I recall, Kirk was an Admiral and commanded both a Klingon and Fed ships in the movies.

    That was only because he took command during an emergency while on a trainee cruise, remember? The official captain of the Enterprise at the time was Spock. And the official captain of that Klingon ship was the guy he kicked in the face and tossed off the edge of a cliff. :/

    It was only when he was demoted back to Captain that Kirk was actually given command of a ship again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TZRaceR6 wrote: »
    As I recall, Kirk was an Admiral and commanded both a Klingon and Fed ships in the movies.

    He commanded the klingon ship to save the planet. This was after he stole the enterprise in search for spock at no time was he ever technically give command of either ship. Upon returning he was demoted to Capt again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ^^^^ True, he was never "given" command, but he was still "commanding" the ships, which made him the "Captain" of the ship. Technicality? Maybe. But hey, it'll work for me to explain why an Admiral is commanding a ship. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TZRaceR6 wrote: »
    ^^^^ True, he was never "given" command, but he was still "commanding" the ships, which made him the "Captain" of the ship. Technicality? Maybe. But hey, it'll work for me to explain why an Admiral is commanding a ship. :D

    LoL Well there is a difference between being given command of a ship and stealing it. But whatever makes you happy my friend LOL :P

    I guess when I steal your car I am in command of it LOL
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Agree 100% OP. Its beyond ludicrous having thousands of admirals 3 weeks after release. Like you said , there shouldn't have been an admiral rank at all, Captain should have been the top with 11 ranks in ensign required at the start. Its like Cryptic had no thought for the future of the game.

    I'm of the opinion that mmo game companies today have realized 2 laws. One, you can quickly haphazardly design, hype, and rake in the publics cash and leave a skeleton crew to sustain the game or two, you can carefully and studiously design, hype and rake and devotingly maintain the game. Its not hard to see which path Cryptic took as well as 99% of mmo's coming out today. The sad truth is that the quick profit route is the easier and cheaper from their point of view. The only good game I see coming is SWTOR which is still another year away.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think they did a great job to allow you to bypass the game mechanics' ranks by setting your title. Personally, I actually plan on having 1 character RP as an Admiral. For the rest they shall be assorted Captains, Commanders, etc.

    Then again I am very loose with Star Trek canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    That was only because he took command during an emergency while on a trainee cruise, remember? The official captain of the Enterprise at the time was Spock. And the official captain of that Klingon ship was the guy he kicked in the face and tossed off the edge of a cliff. :/

    It was only when he was demoted back to Captain that Kirk was actually given command of a ship again.

    People seem to forget Kirk's commanding of the newly refit Enterprise during the V-Ger crisis. Kirk was a full Starfleet admiral at that time. He requested a temporary grade reduction to captain rank for the duration of the mission. However at the end when the threat had passed, Kirk stayed in command of the enterprise for an unspecified amount of time. He probably retained the operational rank of captain, but was also considered an admiral by the top brass.

    You can do the same thing. Keep the captain title and rank pips. Just don't take any guff from your fleet-mates who want to stay admirals and think they can order you around.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    People seem to forget Kirk's commanding of the newly refit Enterprise during the V-Ger crisis. Kirk was a full Starfleet admiral at that time. He requested a temporary grade reduction to captain rank for the duration of the mission. However at the end when the threat had passed, Kirk stayed in command of the enterprise for an unspecified amount of time. He probably retained the operational rank of captain, but was also considered an admiral by the top brass.

    You can do the same thing. Keep the captain title and rank pips. Just don't take any guff from your fleet-mates who want to stay admirals and think they can order you around.


    Star Trek the motion picture

    Again there were circumstances behind these read on -An alien phenomenon of unprecedented size and power is approaching Earth, destroying everything in its path. The only starship in range is the U.S.S. Enterprise--still in drydock after a major overhaul. As Captain Decker readies his ship and his crew to face this menace, the legendary Admiral James T. Kirk arrives with orders to take command of the Enterprise and intercept the intruder. But it has been three years since Kirk last commanded the Enterprise on its historic five year mission...is he up to the task of saving the Earth?

    Wrath of Khan

    And so on - Admiral James T. Kirk is still in charge of a space fleet, but from behind a desk. Dr. McCoy and Mr. Spock convince him to take on a mission which sounds simple, but with the appearance of the mysterious Khan, things get a little tricky....It is the twenty-third century. Admiral James T. Kirk is feeling old; the prospect of accompanying his old ship the Enterprise--now a Starfleet Academy training ship--on a two-week cadet cruise is not making him feel any younger. But the training cruise becomes a deadly serious mission when Khan appears after years of exile--and holding the power of creation itself...In the second Star Trek movie, Admiral Kirk is now a Starfleet Academy instructor, while Captain Spock serves as a cadet training officer, while being in command of the U.S.S. Enterprise.

    Ok Decker was the Capt technically and for the second part the Enterprise was a training vessel and he was in charge of the fleet and its training.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    IMO the only admirals should be those in charge of/created their own fleets
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The problem I have is that I'm an Admiral whos getting orders from Capts, LTs, and Lt.cmdrs.

    Why the hell are they more informed about some dire situation than I am???

    I should be giving them the orders to do these tasks not the other way around.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sorbek wrote: »
    The problem I have is that I'm an Admiral whos getting orders from Capts, LTs, and Lt.cmdrs.

    Why the hell are they more informed about some dire situation than I am???

    I should be giving them the orders to do these tasks not the other way around.

    Technically, you could override anything they have to say with the "no" option on their pop-up chat menu.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I didn't want to be one either. However, every NPC calls me Rear Admiral. Now I just compromised. I have the rear admiral on one uniform I don't use often and normally wear a variation of the WoK-Admiral's uniform (which is in fact a captain's uniform) and use the title "Special Envoy".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Humblepie wrote: »
    I'm of the opinion that mmo game companies today have realized 2 laws. One, you can quickly haphazardly design, hype, and rake in the publics cash and leave a skeleton crew to sustain the game or two, you can carefully and studiously design, hype and rake and devotingly maintain the game. Its not hard to see which path Cryptic took as well as 99% of mmo's coming out today. The sad truth is that the quick profit route is the easier and cheaper from their point of view. The only good game I see coming is SWTOR which is still another year away.

    http://www.divergence-online.com/framesgame.html
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Set your title to Captain and don't change it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    If we're going to have player admirals, at least don't make it something you can expect to achieve within your 30-day trial period. FFS, it feels like such a letdown. Like my Starfleet career is over already, three weeks after it started.

    No matter how much a game company nerfs the leveling rate, there will always be those hundreds of players who never put the game down, never sleep, never get out of their chair, and who eat through a straw. The only way to effectively stop people from leveling up is to restrict their account directly, and nobody wants that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BlackRifle wrote:
    No matter how much a game company nerfs the leveling rate, there will always be those hundreds of players who never put the game down, never sleep, never get out of their chair, and who eat through a straw. The only way to effectively stop people from leveling up is to restrict their account directly, and nobody wants that.

    They could have probably restricted each account to 15 minutes a week and stretched their content to last 6 maybe 7 weeks. Admirals are fast becoming the majority not just hard core players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I dont plan on my charas becoming admirals til Im ready to retire them... sure I will still do the whole promotion thing so I can get the better ship and gear, but Im not going to use the title or the rank insignias.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    frellthat wrote: »
    If we're going to have player admirals, at least don't make it something you can expect to achieve within your 30-day trial period. FFS, it feels like such a letdown. Like my Starfleet career is over already, three weeks after it started.

    the highlighted bit is an awfully good point....

    I always assumed they truncated the levels because they simply want to charge for more levels later (and I will be right about this...no doubt)...

    However what were they thinking when they decided to even present the illusion to people with a free month of play that they were done-and-all-ubered-up before paying a couple months?!

    Bad management call.... Because a lot of them will be long-gone and will never know when it has expanded beyond that...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Allusion wrote: »
    They could have probably restricted each account to 15 minutes a week and stretched their content to last 6 maybe 7 weeks. Admirals are fast becoming the majority not just hard core players.

    Wait. Are you suggesting that they should restrict people's accounts, or did I misunderstand you?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    okay, two things. First of all: KIRK WAS AN ADMIRAL in one of the origional movies, but he still commanded the enterprise- not all admirals like to do desk work, and they can choose to work in the field if they want to


    Second: it's not Admiral, it's Rear Admiral. Admiral is just shorter to say. Rear Admirals usually do work in the field anyway

    who wouldn't want to be an admiral?
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