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I want to first say I am a very big fan of STO and hope Cryptic can pull out off all the current issues and make this game into what it has the potential to be.

But, I spent last night reading a lot of the current threads on this forum.

I then realized something which I had not thought of before. Would I still be playing this game exactly as it stands now if it didn't have the Star Trek license? In theory if the game was well done and enjoyable the actual license behind it wouldn't make much of a difference. Proof of that is other successful online games who don't have anywhere near the IP power such as Star Trek.

The answer didn't take much time and was as simple as - No.

I enjoy the game to an extent but I can't see myself playing this game beyond 30 days. There isn't much to it and far to many issues to really keep my interest.

What this game does have is an amazing shell and nothing more. It has such potential but in saying what I have said - the general mmo players attention span isn't going to last more then 30-60 days max before they get bored of the lack of options in this game. That leaves Cryptic very little time to get back on track.

With all the flaws and issues another issue bothered me. Cryptic has been nothing but silent as of late. No one nor company is perfect - that we can all agreel. STO didn't turn out the way it should have - we can all pretty much agree on that. But, communication with a player base who is actually still playing this game simply due to the IP would go miles in terms of trying to retain it's players while they attempt to add what should have been in the game at release. I am really not sure the absolute silence is such a good idea. Give us timelines, give us ACTUAL plans and not promises. We know things didn't go the way they were intended but be honest and tell us what what is going on behind the scenes.

Very few mmo companies have went this approach. But , those that have generally had a bit more ability to stick it out thru the hard times.

I really want STO to work because I am such a big fan.

But as it stands now the IP is the only reason I'm still playing.

Thoughts?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Azreell wrote: »
    Thoughts?

    .....I like muffins....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The title was very misleading and tricked me into reading something that is all opinion based. If you have a real question let me know and I will come back and help.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The title was very misleading and tricked me into reading something that is all opinion based. If you have a real question let me know and I will come back and help.

    I'll clarify.

    IF this game was exactly the same in terms of current game play but didn't have the Star Trek IP behind it - would you still play it or be as interested?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Probably, if anything being Star Trek has hurt this game more then helped it. But that is just my opinion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Probably, if anything being Star Trek has hurt this game more then helped it. But that is just my opinion.

    While I may not agree with your opinion on this - I do see where it has merit. Obviously there is a pre-conceived notion of what Star Trek should be so that did put a limit on what can be done in this game in terms of game play or content as well as the obvious Trek fans interpretation of what this game should be.

    But, on the flip side there are quite a few of us who are playing it for the IP alone. The game itself (once again opinion based) is a shell. Quite frankly there are better single player space sims to play and as it stands STO is far to close to them except having a global chat box to talk in.

    As I stated the game with it's foundation has so much potential and perhaps what I am trying to elude to (perhaps poorly) is Cryptic is relying far to much on the IP alone to give themselves time to fix the issues.

    Even as a Star Trek fan - there simply isn't enough here to keep my interest very long.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Azreell wrote: »
    I'll clarify.

    IF this game was exactly the same in terms of current game play but didn't have the Star Trek IP behind it - would you still play it or be as interested?

    Honestly, I could say no. Without the Star Trek name behind it there's nothing to really attract me to the game. This game without the Star Trek brand would not be out on the market in this state, if it was there wouldn't be the vast crowd of people demanding that it be given the time to sort itself out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Azreell wrote: »
    I then realized something which I had not thought of before. Would I still be playing this game exactly as it stands now if it didn't have the Star Trek license?

    For 90% of the players, the answer is no. Of course, most will say otherwise, but thats only because they dont want to admit the truth. That said, I enjoy the game for what it is: the first ST MMO, and hopefully it will only get better.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yay ... another pointless thread. Hasn't this SAME idea and topic been beaten to death already? Just further proves a point that nothing relevant or worth reading is posted in the Crime and Punishment .... err, opps wrong game - STOD forums.

    Crime and Punishment (EVE) ... STOD .... same thing, different color text.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The primary reason I canceled my lifetime sub is probably 90% on Cryptic's silence. If they would of come out and said "Oops...we screwed up, here's how we are going to fix it" or pretty much anything close to the sort, I would of given them more of a grace period. But, in my opinion, with all of the bad press, bad reviews, bugs, downtime, etc for them not to say one word? I might be proven wrong but I think their silence says much more than any of their actions ...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I answered this many time before and the answer is NO. I am only here because its Star Trek and i don't think even Cryptic would be interested in making a sci-fi space oriented game if it wasn't Star Trek IP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yay ... another pointless thread. Hasn't this SAME idea and topic been beaten to death already? Just further proves a point that nothing relevant or worth reading is posted in the Crime and Punishment .... err, opps wrong game - STOD forums.

    Crime and Punishment (EVE) ... STOD .... same thing, different color text.


    Maybe it is a pointless thread. But I'll ask another question, not directed at you, hopefully it won't result in a collapse towards more name calling etc, but judging by the usual form for this place I'll give it half a dozen posts... :rolleyes:


    Why do so many people seem to find it necessary to leap to the defence of the devs? They're all adults who are capable of standing up for themselves after all. It's particularly odd that defence of the game is expected but criticism is lept on as QQ. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SirDixie wrote: »
    Maybe it is a pointless thread. But I'll ask another question, not directed at you, hopefully it won't result in a collapse towards more name calling etc, but judging by the usual form for this place I'll give it half a dozen posts... :rolleyes:


    Why do so many people seem to find it necessary to leap to the defence of the devs? They're all adults who are capable of standing up for themselves after all. It's particularly odd that defence of the game is expected but criticism is lept on as QQ. ;)

    And why do you assume its all about defending the Devs?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    mickeyx wrote:
    And why do you assume its all about defending the Devs?

    Maybe I'm just reading the wrong threads, but it seems that 9/10 times someone raises a complaint it's jumped on with something along the lines of QQ, I've not seen any threads saying how great the game is so I couldn't comment on those. Those who are quick to defend the game are obviously happy with it to varying degrees, and by extension they're happy with the work the devs have done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SirDixie wrote: »
    Maybe I'm just reading the wrong threads, but it seems that 9/10 times someone raises a complaint it's jumped on with something along the lines of QQ, I've not seen any threads saying how great the game is so I couldn't comment on those. Those who are quick to defend the game are obviously happy with it to varying degrees, and by extension they're happy with the work the devs have done.

    I still have to see someone being jumped on by defenders who gives constructive and intelligent feedback. Its not what you say but how you say it. ;)

    Everyone welcomes a calm and mature person who has genuine feedback. Can't say the same for those who only want to complain just for the sake of complaining without zero feedback.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Would i have bought and played this game with out the Star Trek IP? No.

    Will the game keep my intrest past 30 days? I don't know my crystal ball is in the shop and my magic 8-Ball says to ask in 30 days.

    I Personally see improvment in the game each day and enjoy it with what flaws it has. I feel it's premature to really start judging this game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    mickeyx wrote:
    I still have to see someone being jumped on by defenders who gives constructive and intelligent feedback. Its not what you say but how you say it. ;)

    Everyone welcomes a calm and mature person who has genuine feedback. Can't say the same for those who only want to complain just for the sake of complaining without zero feedback.


    I'm assuming you've read more threads than me, so I can't say you're wrong. You're certainly right about the bolded part. It seems that there is a lot of misplaced anger (for want of a better phrase) towards those who say that they aren't enjoying the game. Some are just posting angry tirades against the game, some are genuine posters who are trying to make constructive points. The end result is usually the same though :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Azreell wrote: »
    I'll clarify.

    IF this game was exactly the same in terms of current game play but didn't have the Star Trek IP behind it - would you still play it or be as interested?

    As I said the last time this was brought up today; welcome to the 40,000,001th thread with this exact same deal, and the answer is always no

    For ME the answer would be maybe - depending on the IP they used. If no IP at all, Id have passed it up without even looking at it. Im not big on indie dev MMOs.
    mickeyx wrote:
    I still have to see someone being jumped on by defenders who gives constructive and intelligent feedback. Its not what you say but how you say it. ;)

    Everyone welcomes a calm and mature person who has genuine feedback. Can't say the same for those who only want to complain just for the sake of complaining without zero feedback.

    You wanna see someone get jumped on, thry the one where I TRY and say the main mistake they made was putting it in Trek to start with lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Azreell wrote: »
    I'll clarify.

    IF this game was exactly the same in terms of current game play but didn't have the Star Trek IP behind it - would you still play it or be as interested?

    Well, since so many things in this game are based around Star Trek, how could they name it anything else?

    Say for instance, the way the episodic missions roll. They are Star Trek.

    My point is, is that the game without the name Star Trek wouldn't be this game at all.

    So, would I play it without the IP? Probably not. I'm only playing this MMO because it is Star Trek. Otherwise, I'd have bought a guitar and done something else with my time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yay ... another pointless thread. Hasn't this SAME idea and topic been beaten to death already? Just further proves a point that nothing relevant or worth reading is posted in the Crime and Punishment .... err, opps wrong game - STOD forums.

    Crime and Punishment (EVE) ... STOD .... same thing, different color text.

    None of the threads discussing this are pointless per say.

    The reason threads like these exist is simple - They are an attempt to try and force/remind Cryptic that we care enough about the game to complain and enforce ideals to fix it.

    If I or the rest of the people didn't write these - we would simply cancel quietly.

    This is at least my attempt to try and voice the reasons I am unhappy as well as a substantial amount of the player base and regardless of how naive we are - We are hoping for Cryptic to take notice and respond.

    I want STO to work , but I don't think you can disagree that is not the path it is going down currently.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Five things i know to be true:

    1) The only thing "Star Trek" about this game is the name.

    2) Launch day had just as many problems as every other MMO ive played in the last ten years.

    3) The only statement Cryptic has made to be true "there will be about 60-80 hours of game play in the beginning".

    4) The major decisions concerning this game are being made by people sitting behind a desk and who don't "play" games.

    5) My oppinion means absolutly nothing to anyone on the Cryptic staff.

    P.S. 6) I will continue to play this game until the next under-developed / over-hyped / over-priced piece of eye candy hits the gaming market.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Azreell wrote: »
    I'll clarify.

    IF this game was exactly the same in terms of current game play but didn't have the Star Trek IP behind it - would you still play it or be as interested?

    No. Why? Because the reason I looked into it to start with is because it IS Star Trek. Another example, I don't like WoW because i'm not interested in its setting. It doesn't matter to me how "good" or "bad" the game is, i'm not into it. another, I USED to like SWG before the NGE, it's the same license but the game was vastly changed. If I found out about it after the NGE I would have still checked it out because it was Star Wars, but I wouldn't have stayed with it. The question itself really doesn't have a foundation. It's like asking "Would you watch a Star Trek movie if wasn't Star Trek?" It makes no difference how good the effects and story is if it isn't something you're interested in to begin with. The question itself is meaningless.
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