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But over all Star Trek Online seems to have little of that special pixie dust that gets people to spend thousands of hours devoting themselves to the best online games. The good news for Cryptic and Atari is that the heart of a good game is still beating inside Star Trek Online’s unfinished shell.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/arts/television/20start.html
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Cik wrote: »
    But over all Star Trek Online seems to have little of that special pixie dust that gets people to spend thousands of hours devoting themselves to the best online games. The good news for Cryptic and Atari is that the heart of a good game is still beating inside Star Trek Online’s unfinished shell.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/arts/television/20start.html

    Gaming reviews aren't read by the mainstream.

    This is the sort of review that matters, coming from one of the top news sources in the English-speaking world.***

    *** Before any Times haters or conservatives flame me for saying that, read: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2159199&postcount=10 ...I'm going based on readership (even though I'm on the other side of your camp, I'm just going by that here as my wording indicated--I said top, not "trusted" on which I'm sure we wildly disagree ;))
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    That's about on par with the median reviews out there.

    Not really related at all, but I hate reviews that don't have a tangible scoring system of some sort. Must be from being a Car and Driver subscriber for as long as I have been, I like the drawn-out review, along side some cold, hard facts and a number rating.

    I also hate the NYT with a passion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    Gaming reviews aren't read by the mainstream.

    This is the sort of review that matters, coming from one of the top news sources in the English-speaking world.

    I lol'ed, really really hard.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    In other words, he perfectly fits the narrow yet potentially deep demographic that Star Trek Online aims to appeal to. That is, Trekkies who are willing to overlook brain-lockingly repetitive gameplay, unvaried design, thin storytelling, buggy client software and an almost complete dearth of meaningful social interaction in favor of a mildly diverting, moderately attractive, cleverly episodic collection of simple combat encounters among spaceships and soldiers.


    OUCH. Yay for sarcastic reviews. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I lol'ed, really really hard.

    Hate it or not, it's one of the most widely read and cited news sources in the English-speaking (Western) world. That counts for a lot.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    This is the sort of review that matters, coming from one of the top news sources in the English-speaking world.

    You serious?! The New York Times is a TOP news source? Are you mad? That may as well be a toned down tabloid without all the Elvis and Alien sightings splashed on the front page. NYT is a joke, nothing they say can be taken seriously, or has any resemblance of news-worth to it. It's trash, plain and simple.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    That's a mainstream buzzkiller right there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Cik wrote: »
    But over all Star Trek Online seems to have little of that special pixie dust that gets people to spend thousands of hours devoting themselves to the best online games. The good news for Cryptic and Atari is that the heart of a good game is still beating inside Star Trek Online’s unfinished shell.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/arts/television/20start.html

    sounds like every other review to be honest.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You serious?! The New York Times is a TOP news source? Are you mad? That may as well be a toned down tabloid without all the Elvis and Alien sightings splashed on the front page. NYT is a joke, nothing they say can be taken seriously, or has any resemblance of news-worth to it. It's trash, plain and simple.

    Here we go. Leave the politics at the door. It's the 3rd most subscribed to physical paper in the United States:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0004420.html

    And according to Alexa is the 96th most popular website:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nytimes.com?p=tgraph&r=home_home
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Good review and, imo, the best representation fo the the current State of the Game I've read thus far. This guy "gets it".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    Here we go. Leave the politics at the door. It's the 3rd most subscribed to physical paper in the United States:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0004420.html

    And according to Alexa is the 96th most popular website:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nytimes.com?p=tgraph&r=home_home

    No politics. I can't stand politics. I am for myself and nothing more, no one else. Selfish? Don't care. NYT is still, and forever will be, toilet paper.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You serious?! The New York Times is a TOP news source? Are you mad? That may as well be a toned down tabloid without all the Elvis and Alien sightings splashed on the front page.

    I think you're thinking of the New York Post.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You serious?! The New York Times is a TOP news source? Are you mad? That may as well be a toned down tabloid without all the Elvis and Alien sightings splashed on the front page. NYT is a joke, nothing they say can be taken seriously, or has any resemblance of news-worth to it. It's trash, plain and simple.


    I don't think you understand what Zilag is saying.

    He is right that this is one of the first reviews which will get attention from a wider audience, compared to some tinpot mmo websites review.
    It's nothing to do with your opinion of the paper, it's to do with the size of their audience.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    Here we go. Leave the politics at the door. It's the 3rd most subscribed to physical paper in the United States:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0004420.html

    And according to Alexa is the 96th most popular website:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nytimes.com?p=tgraph&r=home_home

    Which isn't saying a lot because most people don't subscribe to paper rag sheets anymore..other than to line bird cages or put under catboxes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    Here we go. Leave the politics at the door. It's the 3rd most subscribed to physical paper in the United States:

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0004420.html

    And according to Alexa is the 96th most popular website:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nytimes.com?p=tgraph&r=home_home

    Wait, you want to leave the politics at the door when discussing a newspaper with a blatantly obvious political agenda?

    I mean, yeah, people go to them, but the paper has been floundering for years. To prove it, look at their cash flow. They literally had to take out a loan from a de-facto member of the Mexican Mafia in order to stay afloat, because they're losing subscribers.

    That doesn't say "top news source" to me, or anyone I've ever known. That says garbage.

    That being said, they're crossword is top notch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Which isn't saying a lot because most people don't subscribe to paper rag sheets anymore..other than to line bird cages or put under catboxes.

    ^^ Exactly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Which isn't saying a lot because most people don't subscribe to paper rag sheets anymore..other than to line bird cages or put under catboxes.

    3rd most subscribed physical paper in the USA

    And its electronically available.

    It's not the death knell it would have been 20 years ago,but it's a sharp slap particularly for big companies with shareholders..and investors...who trade on the New York markets (re:all of them).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    bapaveza wrote: »
    I think you're thinking of the New York Post.

    There isn't a real difference between the two, once you factor out the political stances. They're still crappy outfits, full of second-rate paparazzi claiming to be "journalists," just floundering about and drooling over their respective heroes and printing ANYTHING that may cast said hero in a better light, regardless of truth or integrity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Which isn't saying a lot because most people don't subscribe to paper rag sheets anymore..other than to line bird cages or put under catboxes.

    Most people on this forum. You ever been to New York City, the most populous city and region in America? Lots and lots of people buy it there, and again, it's site is the 96th most popular per Alexa.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    Most people on this forum. You ever been to New York City, the most populous city and region in America? Lots and lots of people buy it there, and again, it's site is the 96th most popular per Alexa.

    I checked your site saying it's the third-largest paper, and at the bottom, it said those numbers were accurate as of March 31, 2006, almost four years ago. Find some numbers that are a bit more recent.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    And really, name me a single news source in America that's rolling in the cash today. That argument has zero legs; the Internet and Craigs List have decimated all of that. But this is ALL off topic.

    The New York Times gets people's attention. It has millions of readers online and off. That's all that matters in the end of the day. It's opinion matters more than GameSpy or GameSpot or GameWhatever.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    And really, name me a single news source in America that's rolling in the cash today. That argument has zero legs; the Internet and Craigs List have decimated all of that. But this is ALL off topic.

    The New York Times gets people's attention. It has millions of readers online and off. That's all that matters in the end of the day. It's opinion matters more than GameSpy or GameSpot or GameWhatever.

    No, it's "opinion" only matters as far as the reader lets it be taken. That's true for any 'review' or blog, or whatever. Subscription numbers mean nothing. It all boils down to a review like this is someone's opinion and nothing more. Some people will agree with it. Some will not. But it hardly makes it any more "right" than my opinion is over yours.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No, it's "opinion" only matters as far as the reader lets it be taken. That's true for any 'review' or blog, or whatever. Subscription numbers mean nothing. It all boils down to a review like this is someone's opinion and nothing more. Some people will agree with it. Some will not. But it hardly makes it any more "right" than my opinion is over yours.

    No, of course not.

    My point is still and has been since my first reply that a review that gets MORE eyes matters MORE regardless of who give it. It's about market reach.

    If the NY Times says "Go buy/don't buy STO" it has a market reach of several million, and that will spill down to other news sites and blogs, hitting perhaps double that potentially.

    If Simon Cowell on American Idol goes off and says "Go buy/don't buy STO" it will reach tens of millions and possibly double that in the end as a message.

    If Barack Obama says this during a State of the Union address, quadruple that if not more.


    Thats my only point. Audience size MATTERS. Thats it. Nothing on the quality of the source, just size.

    Anyone denying the NY Times has a huger market exposure than any paltry gaming site is flat wrong and flat delusional.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I love how the attention has shifted to the validity of the publication, when really we want to keep this all hush hush because the review was more accurate than any of us would like to admit, unfortunately.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You serious?! The New York Times is a TOP news source? Are you mad? That may as well be a toned down tabloid without all the Elvis and Alien sightings splashed on the front page. NYT is a joke, nothing they say can be taken seriously, or has any resemblance of news-worth to it. It's trash, plain and simple.

    I agree it's an almost worthless news source - on par with CNN and Fox News - but it is still one of the most widely read newspapers in the US.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zilag wrote:
    No, of course not.

    My point is still and has been since my first reply that a review that gets MORE eyes matters MORE regardless of who give it. It's about market reach.

    If the NY Times says "Go buy/don't buy STO" it has a market reach of several million, and that will spill down to other news sites and blogs, hitting perhaps double that potentially.

    If Simon Cowell on American Idol goes off and says "Go buy/don't buy STO" it will reach tens of millions and possibly double that in the end as a message.

    If Barack Obama says this during a State of the Union address, quadruple that if not more.


    Thats my only point. Audience size MATTERS. Thats it. Nothing on the quality of the source, just size.

    Anyone denying the NY Times has a huger market exposure than any paltry gaming site is flat wrong and flat delusional.

    And you haven't addressed the fact that the "proof" you offer is almost four years old, so you don't actually have any RECENT data - as you'd need it to say said review is going to be seen by a TRIBBLE-ton of people - to back up said claim.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Henners191 wrote: »
    I love how the attention has shifted to the validity of the publication, when really we want to keep this all hush hush because the review was more accurate than any of us would like to admit, unfortunately.

    Ummm, not really. Read my first post.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You need 'proof' that a lot of people read the NY times?


    Edit:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS147719+27-Jan-2009+MW20090127


    Reters places them at 18 million online viewers for the month of dec.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Like it or not - the reviews are pretty much the same no matter what source is posted.

    The problem with all these reviews is this is what a good portion of possible customers are reading.

    Also, Speaking on behalf of myself I do understand one person or "reviewer" may not like the game so I will do a bit of research and read more reviews. But, the issue being all reviews on STO are pretty much the same.

    I myself REALLY want this game to work but at the same time I'm not a blind fanboi. It simply doesn't offer any of the engaging have to play it moments that a lot of other mmo's offer.

    I do agree it's a great shell of a game to build something on - but the problem is the time frame in which Cryptic decides to do that. If more then an another month or two - STO will desolve into a niche game with a very small populus and little development capital to produce the promised content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I love when either side dismisses the other side's news source as being incoherent babble without the slightest example.

    Fox News and the New York Times both have something to say, deal with it.
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