It's wrong, because the Metacritic score is 63. I had a poll going yesterday, and that seems to be about the same view on average of players here, too.
Yeah thats not a metascore. Thats Gamespy's own rating of the game, which I believe to be far too harsh. And is it just me, or do most of these overly negative reviews seem to convey the fact that the reviewer hasn't really played the game all that much?
STO certainly isn't without issues, but i am having great time playing and I have no plans on giving up any time soon. I know I'm not the only one
Sounds about right.
A large number of us here have been gaming the same games for so many years now we have kids and grandkids gaming with us now and we are all jumping ship.
So I am sure you can find 40 non mmo gamers who are happy as a clam with this game to match our 60 who are not and are bailing. It is actually more like 22 of us but I hate math and am not doing the % conversions on that.
Yeah thats not a metascore. Thats Gamespy's own rating of the game, which I believe to be far too harsh. And is it just me, or do most of these overly negative reviews seem to convey the fact that the reviewer hasn't really played the game all that much?
STO certainly isn't without issues, but i am having great time playing and I have no plans on giving up any time soon. I know I'm not the only one
I've read a lot of them, and most of them ditch during or shortly after the tutorial, so the review of an entire MMO is based on about two hours of gameplay.
Having read a LOT of thes reviews, especially the absurdly negative ones, I honestly think this is some punative backlash on Cryptic for the Champions Online for-pay communications fiasco (which really, is the only real mistake they've ever made--they did very well on City of Heroes/Villains, and got screwed when the Marvel MMO was cancelled).
I really get the feeling they're just down on Cryptic vs down on the game. The fix is in.
In any event, these reviews are written by elitists and aimed at elitists.
STO is like a burger I had a taco stand a few days ago. What kind of idiot orders a burger at a taco stand? Well, I really wanted a burger, so I ordered one.
I could list all the things wrong with this burger. The meat was heavily salted and cooked to death, so the texture was hard and it wasn't juicy. The bacon wasn't crispy at all. The fries were a sad attempt at gourmet fries -- greasy, undersalted and overseasoned with raw garlic and something parsley-like. The bun was flat, semi-stale and somewhat grease-soaked.
Nevertheless, the burger was delicious. I can't explain how or why, but it was. I thoroughly enjoyed eating it. Maybe it's because there's a totally different way to make a great burger. Maybe it's because I really wanted a burger just then.
STO is that burger. I'm an experienced MMO-player -- I can list all the things wrong with STO. I should hate it. But I love it. I look forward to playing it. I've stopped playing pretty much every other game since I got into the closed beta.
It's wrong, because the Metacritic score is 63. I had a poll going yesterday, and that seems to be about the same view on average of players here, too.
Doesn't matter, because anything below a 65% is a failing grade.
I don't get the whole reviews thing. Sure, reviews can give you a general idea about a game, but people who buy (or do not buy) games based on reviews? You might as well hire someone to tell you what to like or not like. That's my 2 energy credits, anyway.
Not really sure what the obession is with reviews.
They are for:
People with no brains who need to be told what to think
or
People who have never played the game.
Either way, I would play for yourself, and decide for yourself.
Ive always thought game reviews where incredibly redundant.
Yeah, cause it's always good to walk around blindly without a clue so you can learn things fresh, without ever having bothered to learn anything beforehand. So instead of learning from other's mistakes you can learn them over from the beginning all by yourself.
Reviews are a great thing for the frugal gamer. Especially if they're well written and you actually bother to take time to look at all the viewer's comments.
If there are a total of 30 comments, and at least 20 of them are bad reviews. It's probably a pretty good chance that they're telling the truth, on top of what was written by the reviewer in the article.
Somehow, I doubt there is any "fix" in. There's a little too much of a widespread consensus for it to be a "conspiracy". I'm enjoying STO myself but, objectively, I'd never give it more than a 7/10 in a review, and that's on a good day. Cryptic still has way too much work to do.
Doesn't matter, because anything below a 65% is a failing grade.
-avery
Not in any school or college I've ever heard of. Even so, a 6/10 or more for a new MMO - as long as that score goes up to a 7 or 8 within six months - is just fine.
STO is like a burger I had a taco stand a few days ago. What kind of idiot orders a burger at a taco stand? Well, I really wanted a burger, so I ordered one.
I could list all the things wrong with this burger. The meat was heavily salted and cooked to death, so the texture was hard and it wasn't juicy. The bacon wasn't crispy at all. The fries were a sad attempt at gourmet fries -- greasy, undersalted and overseasoned with raw garlic and something parsley-like. The bun was flat and somewhat grease-soaked.
Nevertheless, the burger was delicious. I can't explain how or why, but it was. I thoroughly enjoyed eating it. Maybe it's because there's a totally different way to make a great burger. Maybe it's because I really wanted a burger just then.
STO is that burger. I'm an experienced MMO-player -- I can list all the things wrong with STO. I should hate it. But I love it. I look forward to playing it. I've stopped playing pretty much every other game since I got into the closed beta.
Go figure.
This is me. Warcraft, EVE, City of Heroes/V, Team Fortress 2 (which I play a LOT), Left 4 Dead/L4D2, they've all just stopped, except for Wii out with friends bowling.
It reminds me of a burger I recently had, now that you mention that. The beef was marinated in buffalo sauce--good buffalo sauce. The burger's toppings were two onion rings, blue cheese, a dash of mayo, and both sides of the bun then slathered with the same buffalo sauce. It was mad but it worked perfectly. Or it's like my friend that loves putting Worcestire sauce on chicken--he even drizzles it on frozen chicken nuggets and strips. It's nuts, but it tastes good.
For a game that had 1/3 to 1/2 of the development cycle of a normal MMO because Atari and CBS Entertainment needed it rushed out to beat Starcraft 2 and Knights of the Old Republic to market, they did amazingly well.
Which is true, if this was school. Since it isn't, it's really just a weak attempt at witticism.
In a properly rated 1-100 rating scale, 50 is average, meaning 63 is just slightly above average.
And like I just said, that's with only 1/3 to 1/2 the development/QA time this game should have had, if not for extenuating circumstances. Given that games like MMOs only improve with time... you see where this is heading.
Not in any school or college I've ever heard of. Even so, a 6/10 or more for a new MMO - as long as that score goes up to a 7 or 8 within six months - is just fine.
MMM okay, 65% is at best a solid D. And most college courses require at least a C average (70+ %) for passing. So I'm not sure what "college" or school you go to bud, but you might want to stay in school a while longer?
For a game that had 1/3 to 1/2 of the development cycle of a normal MMO because Atari and CBS Entertainment needed it rushed out to beat Starcraft 2 and Knights of the Old Republic to market, they did amazingly well.
Again, I do enjoy STO. And just evaluating the game as observer, this is true.
However, as a consumer, the conditions forced on Cryptic during development is not my concern, and has zero bearing on a purchase decision. They don't care what I have to deal with to make the money to pay them, and I equally don't care what they had to deal with to make the product.
Again, I do enjoy STO. And just evaluating the game as observer, this is true.
However, as a consumer, the conditions forced on Cryptic during development is not my concern, and has zero bearing on a purchase decision. They don't care what I have to deal with to make the money to pay them, and I equally don't care what they had to deal with to make the product.
All I can really wonder is, are people this crazy with their role as cherished consumer or is my family (and literally everyone I know personally) total aberrations that have things called "faith" and "forward thinking" in regards to investments?
It's like a housing subdevelopment carved out of the woods--we see them all over. I personally wouldn't want to live in one, but I know some people love them. If I didn't mind them, and saw a great house with a nice lot, but the under construction community had nothing else completed while it was all planned out, and you saw people buying around you and moving in while you looked--would you not buy it or rate it down because it was still under construction?
I wouldn't, and I think that's the more realistic and pragmatic take. Nearly everyone I know is like this too. I don't know if we're the odd ducks in society, being like that.
Not slamming on you, mind. I just honestly am baffled by that mindset.
Yeah, cause it's always good to walk around blindly without a clue so you can learn things fresh, without ever having bothered to learn anything beforehand. So instead of learning from other's mistakes you can learn them over from the beginning all by yourself.
Reviews are a great thing for the frugal gamer. Especially if they're well written and you actually bother to take time to look at all the viewer's comments.
If there are a total of 30 comments, and at least 20 of them are bad reviews. It's probably a pretty good chance that they're telling the truth, on top of what was written by the reviewer in the article.
-avery
I guess you missed the part where I said 'for people who have not played the game'
I don't get the whole reviews thing. Sure, reviews can give you a general idea about a game, but people who buy (or do not buy) games based on reviews? You might as well hire someone to tell you what to like or not like. That's my 2 energy credits, anyway.
Because if you dont pay attention to them you can end up wasting a whole bunch of cash in exchange for a tall worthless pile of TRIBBLE you'll never play.
STO is like a burger I had a taco stand a few days ago. What kind of idiot orders a burger at a taco stand? Well, I really wanted a burger, so I ordered one.
I could list all the things wrong with this burger. The meat was heavily salted and cooked to death, so the texture was hard and it wasn't juicy. The bacon wasn't crispy at all. The fries were a sad attempt at gourmet fries -- greasy, undersalted and overseasoned with raw garlic and something parsley-like. The bun was flat and somewhat grease-soaked.
Nevertheless, the burger was delicious. I can't explain how or why, but it was. I thoroughly enjoyed eating it. Maybe it's because there's a totally different way to make a great burger. Maybe it's because I really wanted a burger just then.
STO is that burger. I'm an experienced MMO-player -- I can list all the things wrong with STO. I should hate it. But I love it. I look forward to playing it. I've stopped playing pretty much every other game since I got into the closed beta.
Go figure.
Hot damn this sums it up for me as well! So much so that while attending the NY Toy Fair, I was
playing STO! LOL I just wish McDonalds would learn to make that burger so I would know for sure
it would be a love/love relationship and not a love/hate.
By the way, for me, the burger came from White Castle.
65% is - at best - a solid D, and most college courses require at least a C average (70+ %) for passing, so I'm not sure what "college" or school you go to. However, you might want to stay in school a while longer?
That's the lowest you can get is to assualt me with your mediocre assumption of my education level? Pretty lame dude. That's like a third-grade come-back. Grow-up mouthbreather.
I used to read game reviews like they where the bible. Until I realised it was all based upon how much the magazine was given in 'perks'
were they flown out to the review/preview site, and given a 5 star hotel, with hot babes serving dinner? and all the rest.
Reviews are pretty much worthless in my opinion, unless its an independent review site. The big mags are as corrupted as any big media.
I have been burnt on several ocassions with games given 9/10 scores, which turned out to be nothing but rot.
Not the way I see it. If a game gets bad reviews its usually bad. If it gets good reviews its usually worth considering taking a look at or buying.
I cant think of one game thats ever gotten horrible reviews that Ive enjoyed. Some games get good reviews that I dont care for or like, but there is a level of quality there.
They cant be relied upon entirely thats true. But it gives you a pretty good idea of what to expect.
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STO certainly isn't without issues, but i am having great time playing and I have no plans on giving up any time soon. I know I'm not the only one
A large number of us here have been gaming the same games for so many years now we have kids and grandkids gaming with us now and we are all jumping ship.
So I am sure you can find 40 non mmo gamers who are happy as a clam with this game to match our 60 who are not and are bailing. It is actually more like 22 of us but I hate math and am not doing the % conversions on that.
I've read a lot of them, and most of them ditch during or shortly after the tutorial, so the review of an entire MMO is based on about two hours of gameplay.
I really get the feeling they're just down on Cryptic vs down on the game. The fix is in.
In any event, these reviews are written by elitists and aimed at elitists.
I could list all the things wrong with this burger. The meat was heavily salted and cooked to death, so the texture was hard and it wasn't juicy. The bacon wasn't crispy at all. The fries were a sad attempt at gourmet fries -- greasy, undersalted and overseasoned with raw garlic and something parsley-like. The bun was flat, semi-stale and somewhat grease-soaked.
Nevertheless, the burger was delicious. I can't explain how or why, but it was. I thoroughly enjoyed eating it. Maybe it's because there's a totally different way to make a great burger. Maybe it's because I really wanted a burger just then.
STO is that burger. I'm an experienced MMO-player -- I can list all the things wrong with STO. I should hate it. But I love it. I look forward to playing it. I've stopped playing pretty much every other game since I got into the closed beta.
Go figure.
Doesn't matter, because anything below a 65% is a failing grade.
-avery
They are for:
People with no brains who need to be told what to think
or
People who have never played the game.
Either way, I would play for yourself, and decide for yourself.
Ive always thought game reviews where incredibly redundant.
Yeah, cause it's always good to walk around blindly without a clue so you can learn things fresh, without ever having bothered to learn anything beforehand. So instead of learning from other's mistakes you can learn them over from the beginning all by yourself.
Reviews are a great thing for the frugal gamer. Especially if they're well written and you actually bother to take time to look at all the viewer's comments.
If there are a total of 30 comments, and at least 20 of them are bad reviews. It's probably a pretty good chance that they're telling the truth, on top of what was written by the reviewer in the article.
-avery
Somehow, I doubt there is any "fix" in. There's a little too much of a widespread consensus for it to be a "conspiracy". I'm enjoying STO myself but, objectively, I'd never give it more than a 7/10 in a review, and that's on a good day. Cryptic still has way too much work to do.
Not in any school or college I've ever heard of. Even so, a 6/10 or more for a new MMO - as long as that score goes up to a 7 or 8 within six months - is just fine.
Which is true, if this was school. Since it isn't, it's really just a weak attempt at witticism.
In a properly rated 1-100 rating scale, 50 is average, meaning 63 is just slightly above average.
This is me. Warcraft, EVE, City of Heroes/V, Team Fortress 2 (which I play a LOT), Left 4 Dead/L4D2, they've all just stopped, except for Wii out with friends bowling.
It reminds me of a burger I recently had, now that you mention that. The beef was marinated in buffalo sauce--good buffalo sauce. The burger's toppings were two onion rings, blue cheese, a dash of mayo, and both sides of the bun then slathered with the same buffalo sauce. It was mad but it worked perfectly. Or it's like my friend that loves putting Worcestire sauce on chicken--he even drizzles it on frozen chicken nuggets and strips. It's nuts, but it tastes good.
For a game that had 1/3 to 1/2 of the development cycle of a normal MMO because Atari and CBS Entertainment needed it rushed out to beat Starcraft 2 and Knights of the Old Republic to market, they did amazingly well.
And like I just said, that's with only 1/3 to 1/2 the development/QA time this game should have had, if not for extenuating circumstances. Given that games like MMOs only improve with time... you see where this is heading.
MMM okay, 65% is at best a solid D. And most college courses require at least a C average (70+ %) for passing. So I'm not sure what "college" or school you go to bud, but you might want to stay in school a while longer?
-avery
Well, average still isn't cutting it in my book. If you want to be average go join the rest of the sheep.
-avery
Again, I do enjoy STO. And just evaluating the game as observer, this is true.
However, as a consumer, the conditions forced on Cryptic during development is not my concern, and has zero bearing on a purchase decision. They don't care what I have to deal with to make the money to pay them, and I equally don't care what they had to deal with to make the product.
All I can really wonder is, are people this crazy with their role as cherished consumer or is my family (and literally everyone I know personally) total aberrations that have things called "faith" and "forward thinking" in regards to investments?
It's like a housing subdevelopment carved out of the woods--we see them all over. I personally wouldn't want to live in one, but I know some people love them. If I didn't mind them, and saw a great house with a nice lot, but the under construction community had nothing else completed while it was all planned out, and you saw people buying around you and moving in while you looked--would you not buy it or rate it down because it was still under construction?
I wouldn't, and I think that's the more realistic and pragmatic take. Nearly everyone I know is like this too. I don't know if we're the odd ducks in society, being like that.
Not slamming on you, mind. I just honestly am baffled by that mindset.
I guess you missed the part where I said 'for people who have not played the game'
Because if you dont pay attention to them you can end up wasting a whole bunch of cash in exchange for a tall worthless pile of TRIBBLE you'll never play.
Thats why.
Hot damn this sums it up for me as well! So much so that while attending the NY Toy Fair, I was
playing STO! LOL I just wish McDonalds would learn to make that burger so I would know for sure
it would be a love/love relationship and not a love/hate.
By the way, for me, the burger came from White Castle.
Sorry I read "brainless and... those that have not played the game." I figured you meant both were one in the same.
-avery
Fixed the third-grade level grammatical errors.
were they flown out to the review/preview site, and given a 5 star hotel, with hot babes serving dinner? and all the rest.
Reviews are pretty much worthless in my opinion, unless its an independent review site. The big mags are as corrupted as any big media.
I have been burnt on several ocassions with games given 9/10 scores, which turned out to be nothing but rot.
That's the lowest you can get is to assualt me with your mediocre assumption of my education level? Pretty lame dude. That's like a third-grade come-back. Grow-up mouthbreather.
-avery
Not the way I see it. If a game gets bad reviews its usually bad. If it gets good reviews its usually worth considering taking a look at or buying.
I cant think of one game thats ever gotten horrible reviews that Ive enjoyed. Some games get good reviews that I dont care for or like, but there is a level of quality there.
They cant be relied upon entirely thats true. But it gives you a pretty good idea of what to expect.