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I'm a newer player of STO but I have to say I like what I've seen so far. After spending some time educationg myself on these forums about character and BO building A few things come to mind.

The complaints about Cryptic "rushing" a game to shelves without it being "complete". The QQ about quitting because STO doesn't have enough peaceful ways to complete missions or just doesn't fit your narrow minded view of what a trek game should be or cruisers don't turn fast enough or where is my skirt.

Maybe, many of you haven't played an MMO before. I've played EQ1&2, WOW and a few others and all those games went through this. None of those game will ever truly be perfected or finished and neither will STO. WOW the current gold standard for MMO's has had many growing pains, and to this day when they release a patch we still get tremendous lag for a week or more while they figure it out. These games are incredibly complex and when they change something there are tons of unintended consequences as far as class balancing and such. MMO's are a constantly changing animal, and many of you need to come to grips with that.

It sounds like Cryptic is working on changes and I'm sure updates will be available shortly. Let's give them a chance to fix things and add some more content. Let's try to post more constructive feedback with less whining and QQ.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I have been here since open beta and had all the TRIBBLE regarding the down-time for headstart AND the non-entry because of HUGE numbers of people waiting to log in...........Since you are new to STO, seems pretty lame for you to be spouting that you have no problems, when WE obviously have.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kee-Bhor wrote: »
    I have been here since open beta and had all the TRIBBLE regarding the down-time for headstart AND the non-entry because of HUGE numbers of people waiting to log in...........Since you are new to STO, seems pretty lame for you to be spouting that you have no problems, when WE obviously have.

    Allright. I HAVE been here since OB, and YES, YOU COMPLAIN TOO MUCH.

    Cryptic did what they said they would do...deliver a MMO in 2 years. If you didn't know this going in, YOUR FAULT.
    If you have a problem with it..TOO BAD. They did what they said.
    If you expect a full blown 4 year MMO, TOO BAD. They didn't promise that.
    If you expect it to compare to WoW or other MMOs that have been around for 4, 6+ years...TOO BAD. They didn't promise that.

    Quit whining and play. Yes, you do have problems. The problem is your sense of entitlement, need for instant gratification, and sole source of fulfillment coming from a video game.

    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Dionaea
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Strombonni wrote:
    Allright. I HAVE been here since OB, and YES, YOU COMPLAIN TOO MUCH.

    Cryptic did what they said they would do...deliver a MMO in 2 years. If you didn't know this going in, YOUR FAULT.
    If you have a problem with it..TOO BAD. They did what they said.
    If you expect a full blown 4 year MMO, TOO BAD. They didn't promise that.
    If you expect it to compare to WoW or other MMOs that have been around for 4, 6+ years...TOO BAD. They didn't promise that.

    Quit whining and play. Yes, you do have problems. The problem is your sense of entitlement, need for instant gratification, and sole source of fulfillment coming from a video game.

    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Dionaea

    NO, the problem is Cryptic said they would deliver a great MMo, I expected it to be fully working as intended with apporpriate content and factions, what we got was half-finished at best. People like you defending it just goes to show some people are happy with "mediocre" and you are so wrong. Go get a life.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This forum is getting so meta.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kee-Bhor wrote: »
    NO, the problem is Cryptic said they would deliver a great MMo, I expected it to be fully working as intended with apporpriate content and factions, what we got was half-finished at best. People like you defending it just goes to show some people are happy with "mediocre" and you are so wrong. Go get a life.

    I do think they delivered a great MMO. I've having a blast. But I DO have a life, so maybe I don't need as much from it as other people do....

    They DID deliver a great MMO...a great mmo developed in TWO years. I'm sorry if you don't get this, but I don't care how good you are, but NOBODY can deliver a full MMO in two years. They delivered something awesome...in TWO years. Period. What you have is all you could possibly expect. Even Blizzard, with planetloads of money they make from WoW, has taken forever with Diablo 3 and Starcarft.
    It's not them, guys, it's you. Sorry.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I've been here since a week after Closed Beta started and I agree with the OP- these people complain too much. Its almost as if they do it just to cause trouble and garner attention.

    Good, well written criticism is one thing, but Cryptic bashing and name calling of other players is just childish. I weep that I have to grow old in a society that spawns such people in the world.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Oh look, another thread complaining about complaining :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kee-Bhor wrote: »
    I have been here since open beta and had all the TRIBBLE regarding the down-time for headstart AND the non-entry because of HUGE numbers of people waiting to log in...........Since you are new to STO, seems pretty lame for you to be spouting that you have no problems, when WE obviously have.

    I have played sence open beta and am a Rear Admiral and I still love this game. You people just need to chill out and play the game. Things will and are geting fixed and *****ing and complaining is not going to help anyone. Especialy this game geting any better for you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This forum is getting so meta.
    I think you just blew my mind.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Strombonni wrote:
    I do think they delivered a great MMO. I've having a blast. But I DO have a life, so maybe I don't need as much from it as other people do....

    They DID deliver a great MMO...a great mmo developed in TWO years. I'm sorry if you don't get this, but I don't care how good you are, but NOBODY can deliver a full MMO in two years. They delivered something awesome...in TWO years. Period. What you have is all you could possibly expect. Even Blizzard, with planetloads of money they make from WoW, has taken forever with Diablo 3 and Starcarft.
    It's not them, guys, it's you. Sorry.

    For someone that cares so little for the game because you have a life..... you need to step back and relax. You sound like you are about to have a heart attack.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I never said there were not problems, I even mentioned some of them in my post. LOL Nice reading comprehension skills my friend. I'd just like to see the posts regarding problems to be more constructive. Developers don't get very far into a post criticizing the game when all there is to read is bombastic crying about quitting and refunds and make it perfect right now! If you don't realize this then I hope I helped you. I understand that many have a lot of emotional attachment to the franchise and I think that's great, I love Trek too! If you want to be heard by the developers then make good arguments with as much fact as you can come up with. Then lets wait and see what they deliver. I just don't think enough time has passed yet for Cryptic to come up with anything yet. I don't write computer code or anything but I know people who do. I know it takes some serious time and effort to do some of the things we have been asking for. Keep in mind the game only released what 2 weeks ago.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Soluss wrote: »
    For someone that cares so little for the game because you have a life..... you need to step back and relax. You sound like you are about to have a heart attack.

    I see what you did here , wasn't has clever has you might think or funny for that matter.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This forum is getting so meta.

    /bow

    You are wise my friend! :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Oh look, another thread complaining about complaining :rolleyes:

    Why yes it is Nagus my firend. :)

    *grabs popcorn*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I agree. There's too much good in this game, to nitpick and complain only hurts the game.

    There's constructive suggestions and discussions on their validity, and there's flamey *****fests. Negativity begets negativity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Oh look, another thread complaining about complaining :rolleyes:

    No complain thread about complaining is complete without your generic one line overused and beaten to death comment. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kee-Bhor wrote: »
    NO, the problem is Cryptic said they would deliver a great MMo, I expected it to be fully working as intended with apporpriate content and factions, what we got was half-finished at best. People like you defending it just goes to show some people are happy with "mediocre" and you are so wrong. Go get a life.

    Adults call it having different opinions
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    mickeyx wrote:
    No complain thread about complaining is complete without your generic one line overused and beaten to death comment. :rolleyes:

    If you think its overused and beaten to death, that is only due to the amount of threads complaining about other people complaining. So if you want to see it used less, maybe you can encourage less of these kinds of threads. I doubt it though :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    mickeyx wrote:
    No complain thread about complaining is complete without your generic one line overused and beaten to death comment. :rolleyes:

    And know thread is complete with out some non witty ad hominem response from you.

    So we have it all here folks!

    *keeps eating popcorn*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    And know thread is complete with out some non witty ad hominem response from you.

    So we have it all here folks!

    *keeps eating popcorn*

    This whole topic is non witty and ad hominem but i guess you like to stick your head up my a** no matter what!

    *snatches the popcorn'
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You guys complain too much.


    That they do. Leave them.

    Enjoy the game and let those that prefer to be miserable remain miserable.

    We all realize the shortcomings of the game - the only difference between us is that some of us prefer to spend our time online enjoying the game for what it is instead of hating it for what it is not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    mickeyx wrote:
    This whole post is non witty and ad hominem but i guess you like to stick your head up my a** no matter what!

    *snatches the popcorn'

    Hey man, get your own popcorn!

    And I agree, but its nice to take a break from the more important things going on on this forum ;)

    *grabs the popcorn back and makes mickeyx grab him a beer*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Seliak wrote: »
    I see what you did here , wasn't has clever has you might think or funny for that matter.

    I didnt do anything. I was serious.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Perhaps the real problem was/is unrealistic expectations. I think a lot of the "compaliners" may have set their expectations way to high. Me personally while I have been here since open beta and headstart I was relatively late to the game. In the sense I did not know what cryptic did or did not promise. My expectation was I was going to play a Star Trek MMO. Guess what I am playing a Star Trek MMO. Expectation met. Now are there things i think could be better sure but my initial expectation was met and met well.

    Perhaps soem of you should lower your expectations to something a little more earth like instead of expecting cryptic to be Q-like.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Perhaps the real problem was/is unrealistic expectations. I think a lot of the "compaliners" may have set their expectations way to high. Me personally while I have been here since open beta and headstart I was relatively late to the game. In the sense I did not know what cryptic did or did not promise. My expectation was I was going to play a Star Trek MMO. Guess what I am playing a Star Trek MMO. Expectation met. Now are there things i think could be better sure but my initial expectation was met and met well.

    Perhaps soem of you should lower your expectations to something a little more earth like instead of expecting cryptic to be Q-like.

    That may be part of it, I actually joined the beta expecting and wanting to hate the game. I was thoroughly disappointed by Champions Online and thought it was an awful MMO. But dangit, STO pulled me in and I just can’t stop playing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Strombonni wrote:
    I do think they delivered a great MMO. I've having a blast. But I DO have a life, so maybe I don't need as much from it as other people do....

    They DID deliver a great MMO...a great mmo developed in TWO years. I'm sorry if you don't get this, but I don't care how good you are, but NOBODY can deliver a full MMO in two years. They delivered something awesome...in TWO years. Period. What you have is all you could possibly expect. Even Blizzard, with planetloads of money they make from WoW, has taken forever with Diablo 3 and Starcarft.
    It's not them, guys, it's you. Sorry.

    No they made a tiny MMO that launched with the least ammount of content in MMO history.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Strombonni wrote:
    I do think they delivered a great MMO. I've having a blast. But I DO have a life, so maybe I don't need as much from it as other people do....

    They DID deliver a great MMO...a great mmo developed in TWO years. I'm sorry if you don't get this, but I don't care how good you are, but NOBODY can deliver a full MMO in two years. They delivered something awesome...in TWO years. Period. What you have is all you could possibly expect. Even Blizzard, with planetloads of money they make from WoW, has taken forever with Diablo 3 and Starcarft.
    It's not them, guys, it's you. Sorry.

    You think this MMO is great?! Well I would say I'm shocked but thinking about it there are people who like Star Wars Galaxies, even after the NGE. To each his own I guess.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Baltec wrote:
    No they made a tiny MMO that launched with the least ammount of content in MMO history.

    Entirely debatable and obviously lots of people disagree with you. I see you still can't grasp the concept of differing opinions....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Entirely debatable and obviously lots of people disagree with you. I see you still can't grasp the concept of differing opinions....

    80 odd missions in total have launched with this game. 4 more are comming up in the first content patch. Its not debatable its a cold hard fact.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Baltec wrote:
    80 odd missions in total have launched with this game. 4 more are comming up in the first content patch. Its not debatable its a cold hard fact.

    Yup even though i've been playing for weeks where i played other games and ran out of missions by level 15. You must be correct because obviously you are the only person with an opinion that matters.....
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