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i love star trek and i really like alot about this game, but sadl;y this is just not worth $15/month.

the deciding factor is not the bugs and major issues like Crystalline entity and exploration cruiser.

the decding factor is that i have seen very little from cryptic to make this game worth a monthly subscription. alot of people are sick of wow and jumpe don this - but most will not stay.

just call this SWG 2
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    justicesto wrote: »
    i love star trek and i really like alot about this game, but sadl;y this is just not worth $15/month.

    the deciding factor is not the bugs and major issues like Crystalline entity and exploration cruiser.

    the decding factor is that i have seen very little from cryptic to make this game worth a monthly subscription. alot of people are sick of wow and jumpe don this - but most will not stay.

    just call this SWG 2

    J00 mean I can haz jedai! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    While I also like this game, at this point, the game is not worth a monthly subscription fee at all, IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Its worth 15 USD a month if you plan on actually playing... However the game itself is not playable for 3 months very easily. I'm having to REALLY pace myself to nice level up far to quickly.

    Here is how I view it. I Paid over 120 USD for the 2 copies. I got my free month and paid for another. I will not play after that 2 months until Romulan play which I suspect is 5-6 months from now.

    It will help keep the game fresh in my opinion. In those 4 months I am doing other things I hope cryptic will make lots of improvements. Then for those next 2 months that I am playing I really hope I might be tempted to go for 3.. Then after Cardies/Dominion/Terran federation are added maybe 4 months and maybe by that point the game will be playable for long term..

    It needs to be otherwise TOR will drink its milkshake.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I have a different perspective....

    To me $15 dollars is one ticket to a 90 minute movie

    or 10 seconds in a Bar.

    $15 for an entire month of potentially endless hours of gameplay isn't a bad deal.

    That said, you obviously need to like the game to see the value of it. You clearly don't so perhaps you'll be happier waving your laz0r-sword/magic staff* around somewhere else.


    * delete as appropriate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    15 USD is also 2 and a Half Hours of backbreaking labor for a good chunk of the workforce. And if I am not going to be playing for atleast 48 hours per month Its not worth it in my view.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    lol... if i hadnt of paid for a life time sub I'd have ended it by now for sure.. but I did, so I pretty much HAVE to stick it out for a while cause none of my friends want to buy my sub as I talked too much about the game :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Darkness01 wrote:
    lol... if i hadnt of paid for a life time sub I'd have ended it by now for sure.. but I did, so I pretty much HAVE to stick it out for a while cause none of my friends want to buy my sub as I talked too much about the game :)

    You can still refund in your free 30 days, because legally you are not using that lifetime yet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    hunaxor wrote: »
    You can still refund in your free 30 days, because legally you are not using that lifetime yet.

    Seriosly ??? oh snap off an email :)

    Though I know what will happen, a few days after my 30 days run out, and ive got a refund, Cryptic (such a true name there) will come out with the mother-of-all-patches.. and if I dont get a refund the game will just continue to get worse and worse with each "patch" so I dunno.. im still grabbing that tiny sliver of hope that gets smaller and more slippery with each patch :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    So don't sub and pay it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This game has a serious flaw. It's the built in "I win" - button.

    Here it is:

    a) Use scanner until something appears
    b) Move towards it
    c) Press [Spacebar]
    d) Repeat c) until pixels disappear
    e) If you lose (which will happen seldomly), simply move back towards old location and repeat from c), there are no repercussions, so you don't have to use your brain, just your [Spacebar]
    f) Rinse and repeat
    g) Reach point of epiphany "zomg I was ripped off"
    h) Become an apologetic fanboi or face the fact that you wasted an insane amount of money - it's your choice

    Short version:

    do
    {
    Player.Press(Keys.Spacebar);
    } while (!Player.Knows("sto not worth real money"));

    However, on a sidenote... this game can possibly find valuable use as an intelligence assessment tool.

    Give it to someone and measure the time until g) is reached. The earlier, the better.

    Personality can be determined by the choice at h).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    15 USD is also 2 and a Half Hours of backbreaking labor for a good chunk of the "illegal" workforce. And if I am not going to be playing for atleast 48 hours per month Its not worth it in my view.

    Fixed for you.

    Seriously though dude, 10 year old kids mowing lawns on the weekend make more money that that.

    Back on topic, yeah this game is totally not worth a monthly fee, no matter how small it might be. Played closed and open beta, got to admiral the first two weeks of the game and haven't played since. SImply put, I've absolutely no desire to even start the game up. It's a shame.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    15 USD is also 2 and a Half Hours of backbreaking labor for a good chunk of the workforce. And if I am not going to be playing for atleast 48 hours per month Its not worth it in my view.

    I would say however that (as an adult) if you are somehow only able to clear $6 an hour, MMOs - or entertainment subscriptions of ANY kind for that matter - should probably be a long way away from making it on to your list of living expenses.

    I earned more than that washing cars, mowing lawns and doing a paper route when I was 11.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We can easily say, iIf you don't think it's worth it, then don't play it, but there is more to it than that. I bought the lifetime sub for STO because, like a lot of money people spend, once the money is gone, it's out of sight and out of mind, and was not really a vast sum of money for me in the grand scheme of things, so effectively, I now regard myself as being able to play the game 'for free'. Yes I know that's not really what I'm doing, but since I don't have to get my hand in my pocket again, that's the way I choose to see it.

    I suspect at this point in the game's development, I'd have a hard time disagreeing with you about it being worth 15 bucks a month, but only in the sense that there are other games out there that would better justify that 15 bucks, and not because I think I should be granted the earth for my 15 bucks. I had a good time last night on STO helping a fellow fleet member hit a couple of missions, and I could seriously justify the enjoyment of that hour or so as being worth 15 bucks. So when I think about what is and isn't 'worth it', as with most things, it's very subjective.

    Al
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm glad we cleared this up OP.

    If I hadn't known that you didn't want to subscribe I might have made some kind of social faux pas!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I payed one year sub and for me as as pensioner it is a lot of money. I thought give it a chance and just trust in Cryptic they will know what big deal they have got with that Star Trek licence. Atm it seems as Cryptic does not know what they have got in their hands and I am really sad about it because I love Star Trek since 1972 and the game has potential.

    Maybe in six month the game will be worth to be payed but atm it is not. Too repeatable, too boring, lack of content or senseless and boring content, one real unfished faction, and after all not a little bit of demand. Someone who played more than just WoW this is more a Single Player game than a MMO:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would say however that (as an adult) if you are somehow only able to clear $6 an hour, MMOs - or entertainment subscriptions of ANY kind for that matter - should probably be a long way away from making it on to your list of living expenses.

    I earned more than that washing cars, mowing lawns and doing a paper route when I was 11.

    Easy for you to say, considering i doubt your in a wheelchair or disabled in some other way. Disabled ppl and mmog's are meant for one another, cheap entertainment that might bring some joy to a otherwise painful and joyless life. But if it makes you feel better in ridiculing ppl less fortunate than you so be it. At least your true character isnt hidden and your honest about being thoughtless.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This game has a serious flaw. It's the built in "I win" - button.

    Here it is:

    a) Use scanner until something appears
    b) Move towards it
    c) Press [Spacebar]
    d) Repeat c) until pixels disappear
    e) If you lose (which will happen seldomly), simply move back towards old location and repeat from c), there are no repercussions, so you don't have to use your brain, just your [Spacebar]
    f) Rinse and repeat
    g) Reach point of epiphany "zomg I was ripped off"
    h) Become an apologetic fanboi or face the fact that you wasted an insane amount of money - it's your choice

    Short version:

    do
    {
    Player.Press(Keys.Spacebar);
    } while (!Player.Knows("sto not worth real money"));

    However, on a sidenote... this game can possibly find valuable use as an intelligence assessment tool.

    Give it to someone and measure the time until g) is reached. The earlier, the better.

    Personality can be determined by the choice at h).

    The same could be said of any mmo on the market.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    pierrat wrote: »
    Easy for you to say, considering i doubt your in a wheelchair or disabled in some other way.

    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Dionaea
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    justicesto wrote: »

    just call this SWG 2

    Cept that SWG was awesome at launch, it only sucked after they rebooted it and this game is slightly more creative. SWG and WoW have the same problem, its the exact same missions over and over and over again. At least here it might be about the same 5-6 missions but they tried to make them look different. WoW doesn't even try to hide it, "Ya you'll play the same 3 missions over amd over and over and you'll like it"]
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    15 USD is also 2 and a Half Hours of backbreaking labor for a good chunk of the workforce. And if I am not going to be playing for atleast 48 hours per month Its not worth it in my view.

    Minimum wage in the US is $7.25 which is 2 hours 4 minutes and 8 seconds of work for the lowest paid individuals in the US. Minimum wage labor is seldom backbreaking unless you think flipping burgers in a fastfood establishment is actually difficult. For the average US worker $15 represents about an hour of work, that while not fun, is for most a fair exchange.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Cept that SWG was awesome at launch, it only sucked after they rebooted it and this game is slightly more creative. SWG and WoW have the same problem, its the exact same missions over and over and over again. At least here it might be about the same 5-6 missions but they tried to make them look different. WoW doesn't even try to hide it, "Ya you'll play the same 3 missions over amd over and over and you'll like it"]

    Oh my. Hey I loved SWG (pre-NGE), but is was not "awesome" at launch. In fact the only thing that realy made the game awseome was its community. Pre-CU is was pure god mode and still pretty much was until the NGE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WarpVis wrote: »
    Minimum wage in the US is $7.25 which is 2 hours 4 minutes and 8 seconds of work for the lowest paid individuals in the US. Minimum wage labor is seldom backbreaking unless you think flipping burgers in a fastfood establishment is actually difficult. For the average US worker $15 represents about an hour of work, that while not fun, is for most a fair exchange.

    May I ask...

    Why is it then that everyone says that there is so much poverty in the US?

    The minimum wage as well as the average worker wage per hour seem to be quite reasonable, even by european standards...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    Oh my. Hey I loved SWG (pre-NGE), but is was not "awesome" at launch. In fact the only thing that realy made the game awseome was its community. Pre-CU is was pure god mode and still pretty much was until the NGE.

    Well awesome is a subjective term, but SWG when released felt like star wars. I mean it really did, the art, the scale. I went out and bought 3 copies and i never once regretted the decision and that was at launch. No SWG at launch was a complete game, it got to be a GREAT game and then CU NGE hit and turned it into a carebear game. Heck Space combat wasnt even a thought yet at that point and the game was a blast.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think its because while the US has the highest % of disposable income, they don't have as many civil and employee rights as Europe and those that are poor are poorer because of it. It is however still relative. Very few are actually genually poor, but those that are are worse of the Europeans. Not that they would be likkely playing a MMO anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    May I ask...

    Why is it then that everyone says that there is so much poverty in the US?

    The minimum wage as well as the average worker wage per hour seem to be quite reasonable, even by european standards...

    Not to get too political (the forum moderators frown on it because of the mess such discussions usually end up becoming), but the schism between the poor and wealthy is more severe (generally speaking, ie: have and have nots).

    I could go into more detail, but as stated, the moderators don't like such discussions... and it is a bit off topic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    pierrat wrote: »
    Easy for you to say, considering i doubt your in a wheelchair or disabled in some other way. Disabled ppl and mmog's are meant for one another, cheap entertainment that might bring some joy to a otherwise painful and joyless life. But if it makes you feel better in ridiculing ppl less fortunate than you so be it. At least your true character isnt hidden and your honest about being thoughtless.

    Hey, hang on - he said "a large chunk of the workforce". I responded to this and my comment clearly wasn't intended to apply to those people who cannot work due to disability. Those individuals aren't really included in the workforce are they.

    If he or anyone else wanted to make a case for $15 p/m being too expensive for those on disability benefits I would not have commented. But that was not the scenario implied by the word "workforce". And by stating a fact (that I earned more than $6 p/h when I was 11, which is true) I'm not ridiculing anyone.

    I stand by what I said. If for whatever reason you take home that little money, I pressume its not just MMO subscriptions that you would struggle to justify, right? If that was the salary I earned they would be way down my list of priorities, in fact

    That said, I'm not aware of any MMOs that provide discount subs for registered disabled/students/OAPs... so this issue certainly isn't specific to Crytpic in any way.

    I have sympathy for anyone with disabilities but that was not the topic at hand or the intent of my post. Pause next time, before you take someones response out of the given context, or attempt to imply they are somehow predjudiced.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hey, hang on - he said "a large chunk of the workforce". I responded to this and my comment clearly wasn't intended to apply to those people who cannot work due to disability. Those individuals aren't really included in the workforce are they.

    If he or anyone else wanted to make a case for $15 p/m being too expensive for those on disability benefits I would not have commented. But that was not the scenario implied by the word "workforce". And by stating a fact (that I earned more than $6 p/h when I was 11, which is true) I'm not ridiculing anyone.

    I stand by what I said. If for whatever reason you take home that little money, I pressume its not just MMO subscriptions that you would struggle to justify, right? If that was the salary I earned they would be way down my list of priorities, in fact

    That said, I'm not aware of any MMOs that provide discount subs for registered disabled/students/OAPs... so this issue certainly isn't specific to Crytpic in any way.

    I have sympathy for anyone with disabilities but that was not the topic at hand or the intent of my post. Pause next time, before you take someones response out of the given context, or attempt to imply they are somehow predjudiced.

    I wouldn't sweat it, he pulled the same 'you discriminate against cripples' stunt on me all because I happened to use a general term for shaking uncontrollably in another thread.

    I think he's a touch sensitive about the subject, perhaps for personal reasons, or he just exploits it as an easy way to try and assassinate someone's character. I didn't pursue which.

    Just walk away from it is my advice. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SFade wrote:
    I wouldn't sweat it, he pulled the same 'you discriminate against cripples' stunt on me all because I happened to use a general term for shaking uncontrollably in another thread.

    I think he's a touch sensitive about the subject, perhaps for personal reasons, or he just exploits it as an easy way to try and assassinate someone's character. I didn't pursue which.

    Just walk away from it is my advice. :)

    cool - thanks for the heads-up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well I think the top notch developers at Cryptic have a unique, very tough, but amazing challenge in front of them with this project.

    Star Trek's universe is HUGE. Freakin HUGE! And because of that, it is very daunting for them to have to look at how much they can, and hoopefully will add to this game as it grows and evolves.

    Right now things may seem small. And these humble beginnings might prompt some to question wether the game is worth its monthly sub. But as the dev team continues to grow this game, into this immense sand box that is the star trek universe ... this game will definitely end up being worth every penny spent on it.

    Just think of the game as being in the "Pilot Episode" of a new Trek franchise. The potential is there. The foundation. And in the months, years, and maybe decades to come, it will grow from that one small pilot episode to a long, and storied, member of the franchise.

    And you know, as a player you have flexibility here. You want to take a small break? Go for it. Come back when the game is boldly going where you want it to go. Just like you can catch up on episodes of a show you missed.

    It's Star Trek people. It's a journey. Take the path you want to take. It'll be worth it to you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    pierrat wrote: »
    Well awesome is a subjective term, but SWG when released felt like star wars. I mean it really did, the art, the scale. I went out and bought 3 copies and i never once regretted the decision and that was at launch. No SWG at launch was a complete game, it got to be a GREAT game and then CU NGE hit and turned it into a carebear game. Heck Space combat wasnt even a thought yet at that point and the game was a blast.

    i disagree about SWG feeling like star wars. the most OP alpha class was like jackie chan in the desert. very star warsy. i can't recall how many times bruce lee defeated luke skywalker in the original trilogy.

    complete game? vehicles were not in the game at launch. jedi were not in the game at launch. the game itself was content poor and a great deal of space between mob spawns to travel. doing missions was more travel than combat, and it took more time to to get a group together to actually do the missions than it took to do the missions themselves. unless you were an alpha class that could solo krayt dragons easily.

    STO is twice the game SWG was at release. STO is not going to force players to buy an expansion for space combat. STO doesn't have an alpha class. vehicles are already in game.
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