*the game is playable fun not really addicting
* lacks some comen features
* the ship customization is a joke is only for cosmetics
*good toon creation
*the game is playable fun not really addicting
* lacks some comen features
* the ship customization is a joke is only for cosmetics
*good toon creation
id value the game in the 5 doller a month area
The game won't live on $5/mo. Perhaps you ought to come back in a few months to see if it improves?
*the game is playable fun not really addicting
* lacks some comen features
* the ship customization is a joke is only for cosmetics
*good toon creation
The game won't live on $5/mo. Perhaps you ought to come back in a few months to see if it improves?
in a few months it will be deserted and ppl wont want to coem back anyways- the problem is they dropped the ball and i dotn think they can get it back unless they do something drastic before the free days is up- 15 days and counting down.
oh and its £10.34 per month here in uk and i agree it doesnt warrant such a high price for what we have now.
*the game is playable fun not really addicting
* lacks some comen features
* the ship customization is a joke is only for cosmetics
*good toon creation
id value the game in the 5 doller a month area
well, since there are no other ST games being released, i guess beggars can't be choosers. as for ship cutomization, my T2 cruiser has an Excalibur engineering hull, Vesper Primary hull, Constitution refit nacelle struts and Excalibur nacelles. thought i'ld go with something a little diffrent cuz, while the refit is my favorite design, i didn't really want what everyone else had. so, i guess the joke's on me. btw, try to be less specific next time:rolleyes:
in a few months it will be deserted and ppl wont want to coem back anyways- the problem is they dropped the ball and i dotn think they can get it back unless they do something drastic before the free days is up- 15 days and counting down.
oh and its £10.34 per month here in uk and i agree it doesnt warrant such a high price for what we have now.
Someone in every single MMO launch says that. I don't believe it now any more than I did with AoC, Aion, or Warhammer.
I love how people are so naive. Every MMO is incomplete at release. The first few months after release are when content begins to be added and the game expanded. Answer me this; how are you going to play all this added content and features if the server is not up and stable? This time right now is for working out the bugs and server issues, then comes content and expansion.
in a few months it will be deserted and ppl wont want to coem back anyways- the problem is they dropped the ball and i dotn think they can get it back unless they do something drastic before the free days is up- 15 days and counting down.
oh and its £10.34 per month here in uk and i agree it doesnt warrant such a high price for what we have now.
I do think they should bring in line with other MMO's myself tbh all the others are like £8:99 a month but im still enjoying it and will be subbing again.
I love how people are so naive. Every MMO is incomplete at release. The first few months after release are when content begins to be added and the game expanded. Answer me this; how are you going to play all this added content and features if the server is not up and stable? This time right now is for working out the bugs and server issues, then comes content and expansion.
even complete failures like WAR offer more content at release ...
and this no mmo is polished at release is utter BS yes they develop over the time they exist but that is not an excuse release TRIBBLE in a way done by several companys in the recent past...
The reality is that some people want STO to be XZY mmo that they were playing but are bored with... I do think STO has along way to go, but let's give them a change to get the base engine set up so devs can focus on what's next.
What I quoted was the doomsaying "it will fail" post. AoC is still running as far as I am aware.
Fair point. But still, people want value for their money. When they pay for something, they expect to get equal in goods back. When you're offered a product that is typically lesser than the general market/trend, and asked to pay more for it, then there's a problem. STO is a prime example of that. And Age of Conan was there too, (though not as bad with the content as much as everything else) with the delivered product being substantially lower quality than other products with the same price.
Doesn't change the fact that the doomsaying happens with absolutley every MMO launch. WoW had doomsayer posts as well, regardless.
True. Doomsayer posts tend to be those who have been spurned, often having legitamate reasons, but lash out saying it'll fail and such. (as it has failed in their mind)
I can't even get myself in the mood to log in recently, so I might well keep my £9.57 next month.
£9.57 is a small amount of money, but it's worth more than not playing a game. And frankly I don't feel like spending that amount just to wait for a content patch that is "conveniently" outside the first 30 days.
Secondly, yes, it is too high FOR THE GOODS RENDERED/SERVICE PROVIDED.
You mean the ability to play a game that cost millions to make?
For 50 cents a day?
If you don't want to play if because you're not having fun, not able to do whatever, can't log in, etc, that's fine, but not playing because it's too expensive? wtf..
The problem is that the game has so little basic content and completely empty on the endgame that most people will level up, get a few epics and then hit the cancel button until they finish the game properly. This is going to cause the servers to be empty for months on end and make the game even LESS playable. Then the guys in suits will start drying up the development money and the game will really NEVER get done.
Unless some sort of major endgame content gets put into the game and soon, this game is going to die on the vine like Champions. Only the few hardcore will be around.
You mean the ability to play a game that cost millions to make?
For 50 cents a day?
If you don't want to play if because you're not having fun, not able to do whatever, can't log in, etc, that's fine, but not playing because it's too expensive? wtf..
50 cents a day.
The development cost is irrelevant. Especially if you're paying for a product and getting less than what it is worth.
It's about being forced to pay to play a game that doesn't provide quality that is worth the amount of money you're saying.
Yes, you can restate the cost in different ways, but it doesn't change that it's around £10 a month. It may not seem a lot on it's own, but when that £10 can render services and products elsewhere THAT MATCH THE VALUE OF THE MONEY BEING EXCHANGED FOR IT, then you, I dearly hope, can see where people are reluctant to get less than their money's worth.
The development cost is irrelevant. Especially if you're paying for a product and getting less than what it is worth.
It's about being forced to pay to play a game that doesn't provide quality that is worth the amount of money you're saying.
Yes, you can restate the cost in different ways, but it doesn't change that it's around £10 a month. It may not seem a lot on it's own, but when that £10 can render services and products elsewhere THAT MATCH THE VALUE OF THE MONEY BEING EXCHANGED FOR IT, then you, I dearly hope, can see where people are reluctant to get less than their money's worth.
You're speaking about separate things, and we're having two separate arguments. Cost and value. Cost is objective. Value is subjective. The game cost X dollars to make. The value of that game to you is, apparently, less than 50 cents a day. The value to me is 50 cents a day. Possibly more. There's no real point in debating it, as we're both right.
The only question I have now is why you're trying to change everyone's mind... I don't like McDonalds. The value of their meals is less than the purchase price to me. I don't eat there. I can't remember ever telling someone else they're getting ripped off because they eat there. Not only because that's a pointless argument, but also because I don't give a **** if they eat there or not. It's their business. I don't send out mass mailings to everyone in town trying to get them to stop eating there unless McDonalds puts something on the menu that I find enough value in to actually pay for. Because that would be a stupid waste of time. And annoying. Let's not forget how annoying I'd be if I did that.
I love how people are so naive. Every MMO is incomplete at release. The first few months after release are when content begins to be added and the game expanded. Answer me this; how are you going to play all this added content and features if the server is not up and stable? This time right now is for working out the bugs and server issues, then comes content and expansion.
so what if its incomplete. if you've noticed, most of us quitting is because the game flat out sucks...not because it's empty, that just makes it worst.
although you say all mmo's are not complete at launch, 90% dont let you get to level cap/end game before the free month is up, and have many other things to do besides leveling. and hey, they usually got some decent end game
yet you call people naive? please, i've played mmo's for about 9 years and never played with this lack of everything, the addiction, the scocial desire, the drive to play.
you can't just say every mmo is incomplete at release, NO **** ALL MMO's ARE INCOMPLETE AND STILL INCOMPLETE U MORON that's why it's an mmo..
The reality is that some people want STO to be XZY mmo that they were playing but are bored with... I do think STO has along way to go, but let's give them a change to get the base engine set up so devs can focus on what's next.
they are probably focusing on how to use your money they got from STO to devolop some other game, cryptic is notorious for this...
so what if its incomplete. if you've noticed, most of us quitting is because the game flat out sucks...not because it's empty, that just makes it worst.
although you say all mmo's are not complete at launch, 90% dont let you get to level cap/end game before the free month is up, and have many other things to do besides leveling. and hey, they usually got some decent end game
yet you call people naive? please, i've played mmo's for about 9 years and never played with this lack of everything, the addiction, the scocial desire, the drive to play.
you can't just say every mmo is incomplete at release, NO **** ALL MMO's ARE INCOMPLETE AND STILL INCOMPLETE U MORON that's why it's an mmo..
I'll be sorry to see you leave and that we never got to group together. You strike me as a pleasant person.
Doesn't change the fact that the doomsaying happens with absolutley every MMO launch. WoW had doomsayer posts as well, regardless.
wow's doomsayer post hmmm... ok lets do math
wow launch population = at least x10 then sto
wow doomsay post = a tiny fraction compared to sto's doomsay's
wow's doomsayer post hmmm... ok lets do math
wow launch population = at least x10 then sto
wow doomsay post = a tiny fraction compared to sto's doomsay's
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The game won't live on $5/mo. Perhaps you ought to come back in a few months to see if it improves?
OK, great, thanks
in a few months it will be deserted and ppl wont want to coem back anyways- the problem is they dropped the ball and i dotn think they can get it back unless they do something drastic before the free days is up- 15 days and counting down.
oh and its £10.34 per month here in uk and i agree it doesnt warrant such a high price for what we have now.
well, since there are no other ST games being released, i guess beggars can't be choosers. as for ship cutomization, my T2 cruiser has an Excalibur engineering hull, Vesper Primary hull, Constitution refit nacelle struts and Excalibur nacelles. thought i'ld go with something a little diffrent cuz, while the refit is my favorite design, i didn't really want what everyone else had. so, i guess the joke's on me. btw, try to be less specific next time:rolleyes:
Someone in every single MMO launch says that. I don't believe it now any more than I did with AoC, Aion, or Warhammer.
I do think they should bring in line with other MMO's myself tbh all the others are like £8:99 a month but im still enjoying it and will be subbing again.
even complete failures like WAR offer more content at release ...
and this no mmo is polished at release is utter BS yes they develop over the time they exist but that is not an excuse release TRIBBLE in a way done by several companys in the recent past...
Poor example with AoC, that was never worth a subscription fee. EVER.
What I quoted was the doomsaying "it will fail" post. AoC is still running as far as I am aware.
Fair point. But still, people want value for their money. When they pay for something, they expect to get equal in goods back. When you're offered a product that is typically lesser than the general market/trend, and asked to pay more for it, then there's a problem. STO is a prime example of that. And Age of Conan was there too, (though not as bad with the content as much as everything else) with the delivered product being substantially lower quality than other products with the same price.
True. Doomsayer posts tend to be those who have been spurned, often having legitamate reasons, but lash out saying it'll fail and such. (as it has failed in their mind)
£9.57 is a small amount of money, but it's worth more than not playing a game. And frankly I don't feel like spending that amount just to wait for a content patch that is "conveniently" outside the first 30 days.
For one, you pay less being North American.
Secondly, yes, it is too high FOR THE GOODS RENDERED/SERVICE PROVIDED.
You mean the ability to play a game that cost millions to make?
For 50 cents a day?
If you don't want to play if because you're not having fun, not able to do whatever, can't log in, etc, that's fine, but not playing because it's too expensive? wtf..
50 cents a day.
Less by (Current Google GBP versus USD conversion) .67 CENTS.
Unless some sort of major endgame content gets put into the game and soon, this game is going to die on the vine like Champions. Only the few hardcore will be around.
The development cost is irrelevant. Especially if you're paying for a product and getting less than what it is worth.
It's about being forced to pay to play a game that doesn't provide quality that is worth the amount of money you're saying.
Yes, you can restate the cost in different ways, but it doesn't change that it's around £10 a month. It may not seem a lot on it's own, but when that £10 can render services and products elsewhere THAT MATCH THE VALUE OF THE MONEY BEING EXCHANGED FOR IT, then you, I dearly hope, can see where people are reluctant to get less than their money's worth.
You're speaking about separate things, and we're having two separate arguments. Cost and value. Cost is objective. Value is subjective. The game cost X dollars to make. The value of that game to you is, apparently, less than 50 cents a day. The value to me is 50 cents a day. Possibly more. There's no real point in debating it, as we're both right.
The only question I have now is why you're trying to change everyone's mind... I don't like McDonalds. The value of their meals is less than the purchase price to me. I don't eat there. I can't remember ever telling someone else they're getting ripped off because they eat there. Not only because that's a pointless argument, but also because I don't give a **** if they eat there or not. It's their business. I don't send out mass mailings to everyone in town trying to get them to stop eating there unless McDonalds puts something on the menu that I find enough value in to actually pay for. Because that would be a stupid waste of time. And annoying. Let's not forget how annoying I'd be if I did that.
Not necessarily true. Whether you have 100k people paying $15 a month or 300k people paying $5, the end result($1.5mil) is the same.
so what if its incomplete. if you've noticed, most of us quitting is because the game flat out sucks...not because it's empty, that just makes it worst.
although you say all mmo's are not complete at launch, 90% dont let you get to level cap/end game before the free month is up, and have many other things to do besides leveling. and hey, they usually got some decent end game
yet you call people naive? please, i've played mmo's for about 9 years and never played with this lack of everything, the addiction, the scocial desire, the drive to play.
you can't just say every mmo is incomplete at release, NO **** ALL MMO's ARE INCOMPLETE AND STILL INCOMPLETE U MORON that's why it's an mmo..
they are probably focusing on how to use your money they got from STO to devolop some other game, cryptic is notorious for this...
I'll be sorry to see you leave and that we never got to group together. You strike me as a pleasant person.
wow's doomsayer post hmmm... ok lets do math
wow launch population = at least x10 then sto
wow doomsay post = a tiny fraction compared to sto's doomsay's
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Divide it by 6 then and get the average per year.