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I searched and did not find this question, if I am wrong please direct me to the thread.

Why are there Terran Empire ships in the Cardassian Sectors? They are just there with no explination as to how or why.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'll second this. It threw me for six when i first started seeing terran empire ships in my explore missions.

    Could be quest related i suppose, but i'm saving up all that episodic content for when i hit admiral so i'm currently rather clueless about it all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    There is a window between the two universes in the Badlands, as described in DS9.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They are a similar but different group from the Terran Empire, there are some episodes in DS9 about them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    iI'm confused about this as well, but from what I can gather, there is a Mirrior Universe, from DS9 and Enterprise (The latest series)

    Basically they are like a evil version of the Federation. Instead of welcoming the Vulcan landing party that made first contact, some redneck farmers shot them, and ransacked the Vulcan ship and stole all the parts.

    In the Mirror Universe, the Vulcans are slaves to the Federation.

    So basically there is some wormhole or somethign that lets the Mirror Universe come into our Universe, and they want to conquer it.

    From what I know they have already conqured most of their Universe, and that isn't enough for them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I am not in the Cardassian sectors yet, and I really don't know how those Terran guys came into our galaxy. But here is some information about the Terran Empire: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Terran_Empire
    I didn't even know that there where Terrans in this game. lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sounds great, can I join them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    iI'm confused about this as well, but from what I can gather, there is a Mirrior Universe, from DS9 and Enterprise (The latest series)

    Basically they are like a evil version of the Federation. Instead of welcoming the Vulcan landing party that made first contact, some redneck farmers shot them, and ransacked the Vulcan ship and stole all the parts.

    In the Mirror Universe, the Vulcans are slaves to the Federation.

    So basically there is some wormhole or somethign that lets the Mirror Universe come into our Universe, and they want to conquer it.

    From what I know they have already conqured most of their Universe, and that isn't enough for them.

    Your explanation is essentially correct, except for a couple things. The Mirror Universe was introduced in TOS, in the episode "Mirror, Mirror." It's also where the idea of someone's evil twin having a goatee came from (Mirror Spock had one).

    Also, it wasn't just farmers that took the Vulcan landing craft, it was Zefram Cochrane himself. Sorry if I seemed a little nitpicky, but I particularly like the Mirror Universe stuff.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If you remember in DS9, there were several ways to easily cross over into the Mirror Universe around Deep Space Nine. Seem to recall transporter accidents for starters.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    There is a whole series of quests as to what they are doing there :)

    You will get them once you reach admiral If I remember right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I searched and did not find this question, if I am wrong please direct me to the thread.

    Why are there Terran Empire ships in the Cardassian Sectors? They are just there with no explination as to how or why.

    Actually it's explained in a quest arc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I like those Terran uniforms
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I searched and did not find this question, if I am wrong please direct me to the thread.

    Why are there Terran Empire ships in the Cardassian Sectors? They are just there with no explination as to how or why.

    Follow the plot line through and you'll have it explained. Basically they've managed to send a limited number of people through (presumably via the typical transporter shenanigans) and they've then created a minor nexus between the realities and are attempting to further bridge the gap in order to launch a full-on invasion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ok, as long as it is explined at some point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Still, i'm surprised o'brien was able to beat the alliance with what little he had AND then build a terran federation with a huuge amount of warships to boot.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    YoshuD wrote: »
    Your explanation is essentially correct, except for a couple things. The Mirror Universe was introduced in TOS, in the episode "Mirror, Mirror." It's also where the idea of someone's evil twin having a goatee came from (Mirror Spock had one).

    Also, it wasn't just farmers that took the Vulcan landing craft, it was Zefram Cochrane himself. Sorry if I seemed a little nitpicky, but I particularly like the Mirror Universe stuff.

    No worries, Glad to be corrected, that's just what I picked up from flicking through the Memory Alpha articles. I never saw ENT or DS9 as a series, I was more of a Voyager/TNG fan, so I often miss things that happen there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Still, i'm surprised o'brien was able to beat the alliance with what little he had AND then build a terran federation with a huuge amount of warships to boot.

    O.o
    Who says there was just one mirror universe? Mayhap there is one wherein the Empire never fell...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    basically Cryptic screwed up (yet again) and you start seeing mirror universe ships allover the godamn place 10 levels before even getting a mission that explains why they are there in the first place.

    what's also TRIBBLE is Cryptic couldn't even be bothered to make proper uniforms for all the mirror universe guys, so they all have randomly generated TRIBBLE and look like other players or something.

    so much for beta testing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The Mirror Universe has the ultimate potential for an interesting expansion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Still, i'm surprised o'brien was able to beat the alliance with what little he had AND then build a terran federation with a huuge amount of warships to boot.

    Yeah.. that bothers me. It seems they ignored much of what was learned about the Mirror Universe in DS9. I'm hoping the story arc explains that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    basically Cryptic screwed up (yet again) and you start seeing mirror universe ships allover the godamn place 10 levels before even getting a mission that explains why they are there in the first place.

    what's also TRIBBLE is Cryptic couldn't even be bothered to make proper uniforms for all the mirror universe guys, so they all have randomly generated TRIBBLE and look like other players or something.

    so much for beta testing.

    Really? Stop being silly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Myrdinn wrote: »
    O.o
    Who says there was just one mirror universe? Mayhap there is one wherein the Empire never fell...

    You ever read the Mirror Universe trilogy (Spectre, Dark Victory, Preserver)?

    I sort of hope they build on that. It was a guilty pleasure :).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rikaelus wrote: »
    Yeah.. that bothers me. It seems they ignored much of what was learned about the Mirror Universe in DS9. I'm hoping the story arc explains that.

    Yes and no, it dont explain how o'brian managed to rebuild the entire terran empire and rebuild starfleet with thousands of ships.
    It mention it in some words, but still..there is lots missing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    NikeOnline wrote: »
    You ever read the Mirror Universe trilogy (Spectre, Dark Victory, Preserver)?

    I sort of hope they build on that. It was a guilty pleasure :).

    I wouldn't mind is they drew some inspiration from that but took it a more "crowd pleasing" route that mirrored the regular timeline more.

    For example, maybe Kirk's counterpart, Tiberius as he's known in the nocels, was thrown out an airlock by Scotty and Chekov when the Enterprise-B encountered the Nexus and they assassinated him on orders from Spock.

    Of course, he comes back with the Nexus, Jean Luc Picard coerces Tolian Soran into wiping out Veridian III to pave the way for Kirk's return. Because of the Empire's fall, nobody really cares to save the 250 million or so in the Veridian system. Picard wants the secret of Kirk's Tantalus Field to help turn the tide back against the Klingon-Cardassian Union. He, as per the novels, learns that the Tantalus Field is a secret that Kirk beat out of Balok from the First Federation and learns about a host of other technologies that Kirk had stolen or acquired. Picard then beats Kirk to death after taking out a disgustingly conscientious Soran and returns to his people in the rebel Terran Militia.

    Smiley O'Brien, leading the resistance on Terok Nor, reports back to his old commander Picard and the two set to work combining O'Brien's technological advances with Picard's information and manage to rebuild the Terran Empire as a viable force.

    Wackier still, maybe Picard even goes back to First Contact in an effort to prevent the Terran Empire's collapse, with Borg hot on his tail. He and his crew defeat the Borg, kill Cochrane's crew and replace them, fortifying the Terran Empire with sophisticated advances from the future that successfully make the Terran Empire immune to the collapse it was destined to suffer. Naturally, Cochrane had a better dream for mankind but Picard swayed him with a promise of a king's ransom and and island full of naked women.

    Imagine that the "original" mirror universe was an allegiance between Vulcans and humans. But Picard, mindful of the treasonous Spock who killed Kirk and defected to Romulus, convinced Cochrane that it was his duty to ransack the Vulcan ship and enslave them, never allowing them to forget their inferiority. Hence the enslavement of Vulcans we saw on Enterprise which seems in contrast to the TOS portrayal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Its from a few Deep Space 9 episodes. Actually some of the better of the episodes. Later on in your captain level missions you find out why they are there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I just finished watching the 3rd TOS season episode "Enterprise Incident" and I seem to recall the Romulan Commander referring to half-Human/half-Vulcan people as "Terrans"
    Though I might be mistaken.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Than wrote: »
    Yes and no, it dont explain how o'brian managed to rebuild the entire terran empire and rebuild starfleet with thousands of ships.
    It mention it in some words, but still..there is lots missing.

    At least one version (the novels) had the Mirror folk a bit farther ahead of the main line in terms of abusing transporter tech. I think they had a special site (sort of a mega shipyard) that could basically transport an entire ship, hold its pattern in memory and them run bulk matter through the transporter following the held pattern and spit out the majority of a ship. Certain parts still had to be installed afterwards, but shaving 97% off the construction time on the primary hull and many fittings could move things along quite a bit. Its was sort of like a replicator writ very large, if not quite sharing the same technology-base. And yeah, they only had one of these sites. It might have been the brainchild of "evil Giordi"

    Taking that thing out would be a space mission I could get behind. I got my raider right here (pats trusty escort vessel).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Adorah wrote:
    I just finished watching the 3rd TOS season episode "Enterprise Incident" and I seem to recall the Romulan Commander referring to half-Human/half-Vulcan people as "Terrans"
    Though I might be mistaken.

    Terra is a common word for Earth in other languages (from Latin I believe), in Sci Fi its often used as an alternative to Earth, like Sol for the Sun. When she said Terrans, she was just meaning Humans.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I searched and did not find this question, if I am wrong please direct me to the thread.

    Why are there Terran Empire ships in the Cardassian Sectors? They are just there with no explination as to how or why.

    There also seems to be a glitch where you enter a Hirogen deep space encounter, and then when you warp in it's actually Terran Empire ships and they're all like 8-12 levels higher than your ship. I don't mind randomly encountering higher level ships (makes more sense to me that not everything I'm going to fight will be around my level), but I'm fairly sure the whole Hirogen greeting turning into a Terran Empire fight is not intended.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Than wrote: »
    Yes and no, it dont explain how o'brian managed to rebuild the entire terran empire and rebuild starfleet with thousands of ships.
    It mention it in some words, but still..there is lots missing.

    I'm curious too why they're so hostile. Smiley might not have been a cheery person but I wouldn't have thought him someone that would want to invade another reality with intent to conquer it.
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