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Are all the T2 cruisers that ugly 4 warp necell design? :( .. lol. I would like to look more into the appearance of different ship tiers out of interest but as we know they aint all listed on the site yet..

Thanks for info guys/gals :)

also could u advise me if its worth stayin escort for T2 or going cruiser? (im a tac officer)

(finding DPS really good in escort but bit flimsy.. want to know if its even worse as the game goes on for escort versatility)

riZla^
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tier 2 cruisers are the Constitution-Refit and lookalikes. Tier 3 cruisers are the ones with 4 nacelles, and yes, all three of them are 4 nacelle ships.

    Also, survivability decreases with escorts at higher tiers, as DPS goes up. However, if you switch to cruisers, your DPS will drop sharply.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The 4 nacelle ships are Tier 3 actually. And yes, all three have 4 nacelles, though the design works for 2 of them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm not a fan of anything with four Naecelles, so i'm jumping to the Akira class at Tier 3.

    For a couple of reasons actually:

    Where are the torpedo launchers on the tier 3 Cruisers?
    Why do all of the naecelles look dog ugly?
    Why wasn't the Nebula class added as a Tier 3 cruiser over the 4 naecelle ships?

    Things people want to know :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Why wasn't the Nebula class added as a Tier 3 cruiser over the 4 naecelle ships?

    Because some people like the 4 nacelles: P, imho it looks qwl on Prometheus Class
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thutmosis wrote:
    Because some people like the 4 nacelles: P, imho it looks qwl on Prometheus Class

    Agreed. The Prometheus and it's variants look B/A.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As long as it isn't three nacelles! Two is preferred, four is also OK. But three is a deadly sin amongst Trekkers!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Unfortunately they all turn like a hippo so for the time being I've gone back to my Tier 2 Connie (which is tackling Commander level missions just fine...)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Agreed. The Prometheus and it's variants look B/A.

    Yes it does, however, the Constellation and it's variants do not. They really should have put in the Excelsior, Ambassador or the Nebula class instead.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes it does, however, the Constellation and it's variants do not. They really should have put in the Excelsior, Ambassador or the Nebula class instead.

    I like 1 of the 3 Heavy Cruisers, the Stargazer. I plan to fly that one once I start working on my alt.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Gotta agree... I like the look of the T3 cruisers aswell. It's differant. I also have to ask... where's the Nebula? It's as iconic as the Galaxy class is for us TNG fans. Think about it.... the Nebula has been involved in EVERY major Federation war sense the Cardassian war (and been in service longer then that!) It's an essential ship for rescue operations, even going so far as leading the rescue/salvage operation of the Enterprise-D after Troi crashed it (damn women drivers.. people wonder why you never see female Helm officers....).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    iceonx wrote: »
    Are all the T2 cruisers that ugly 4 warp necell design? :( .. lol. I would like to look more into the appearance of different ship tiers out of interest but as we know they aint all listed on the site yet..

    Thanks for info guys/gals :)

    also could u advise me if its worth stayin escort for T2 or going cruiser? (im a tac officer)

    (finding DPS really good in escort but bit flimsy.. want to know if its even worse as the game goes on for escort versatility)

    riZla^

    Yes, all Tier 3 Fed cruisers have that 4-nacelle design. What's suprising though is that only 1 of the three is canon Trek.

    the Cheyenne-class was seen only briefly in the ship graveyard at Wolf 359, but it was there and has been identified on at least one fansite. It's a small, coarse model but DOES exist. the other two are original to Cryptic.

    The nacelles on the original model are Stabio Original highlighter markers - to give you a idea of just how small that model is. I can point you to a reconstruction page that diagrams exactly how it was made.

    For the person that asked where the torp launchers are...

    On the Cheyenne they're in the twin dorsals that come up from the saucer.

    Not sure on the others.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Callasan wrote: »
    Yes, all Tier 3 Fed cruisers have that 4-nacelle design. What's suprising though is that only 1 of the three is canon Trek.

    the Cheyenne-class was seen only briefly in the ship graveyard at Wolf 359, but it was there and has been identified on at least one fansite. It's a small, coarse model but DOES exist. the other two are original to Cryptic.

    The nacelles on the original model are Stabio Original highlighter markers - to give you a idea of just how small that model is. I can point you to a reconstruction page that diagrams exactly how it was made.

    For the person that asked where the torp launchers are...

    On the Cheyenne they're in the twin dorsals that come up from the saucer.

    Not sure on the others.

    Every ship group beyond Tier 1 has one canon and two Cryptic models. A few of them, however, are named after other quasi-canon ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tilarium wrote: »
    Gotta agree... I like the look of the T3 cruisers aswell. It's differant. I also have to ask... where's the Nebula? It's as iconic as the Galaxy class is for us TNG fans. Think about it.... the Nebula has been involved in EVERY major Federation war sense the Cardassian war (and been in service longer then that!) It's an essential ship for rescue operations, even going so far as leading the rescue/salvage operation of the Enterprise-D after Troi crashed it (damn women drivers.. people wonder why you never see female Helm officers....).

    Agree there...The Nebula should have been either a T3 or T4 Science ship, as that's what it's original intent was.

    In the prototype stage it had 4 nacelles too - two were later removed for the final production model. Two of the prototypes made it into background or model shots in TNG though, which makes the 4-nacelle variant CANON

    Let me know if you want a link posted that shows this on a fansite.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Callasan wrote: »
    Agree there...The Nebula should have been either a T3 or T4 Science ship, as that's what it's original intent was.

    In the prototype stage it had 4 nacelles too - two were later removed for the final production model. Two of the prototypes made it into background or model shots in TNG though, which makes the 4-nacelle variant CANON

    Let me know if you want a link posted that shows this on a fansite.

    Nobody cares if they used a model of a four-nacelle variant in one tv show for ten seconds. Don't link to a fan site. Link to Memory Alpha showing the ship class name and some ship names. Then it's canon. Otherwise, considering the looks of the ships IN THE GAME, the Nebula - as was seen in multiple episodes and in Generations, not some prototype model that got some filler screentime - should have been the Tier 3 Cruiser.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aye, T3 i meant.. lol.. worked a 16 hr shift I dont even know what comes after T3.. T5 isnt it? ;) haha.. but yeah cheers for info guys :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nobody cares if they used a model of a four-nacelle variant in one tv show for ten seconds. Don't link to a fan site. Link to Memory Alpha showing the ship class name and some ship names. Then it's canon. Otherwise, considering the looks of the ships IN THE GAME, the Nebula - as was seen in multiple episodes and in Generations, not some prototype model that got some filler screentime - should have been the Tier 3 Cruiser.

    1) Two of the four-nacelle variants were used, in more than one show - one was even seen in Sisko's ready room in DS9, as a "model" built by his kid.

    2) Saying that if "it's not on Memory Alpha it's not canon" is by far the most ignorant piece of ****** thinking I've ever seen. There's more than one fansite, and some of them even have ties over at ILM and in the ST production houses - such as the oen I use, Ex Astris Scientica. Memory Alpha, as a wiki, is no more authoritative than any other fansite - and Bernd Schneider is very careful to back up his articles with quotes from the people who actually worked on the show, such as Mike Okuda and others.

    I suggest you gothere an actually read what's there, as well as see what's presented and how, before you dismiss things offhand. Just for your edification, the four-nacelle proto-Nebulas were designed and built by Ed Miraecki before Rick Sternback and Michael Okuda took his plans and made the changes that resulted inthe final Nebula. The proto-Nebula four nacelle variants were seen in TNG:"Best of Both Worlds" (as a pre-damaged background model), THG:"Future Imperfect", and modified into the model on Sisko's desk in DS9:"Unification". I'd say that makes them canon, as they were seen onscreen in multiple episodes.

    By your definition the Cheyenne is non-canon, as it only appears as a background ship in TNG:"Best of Both Worlds, Part 1". Yet it IS canon, as are other ships that only appeared in "Best of Both Worlds" as WRECKS. Bite yourself on definitions much?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    memory alpha at the end of the day is just another fan website,
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes it does, however, the Constellation and it's variants do not. They really should have put in the Excelsior, Ambassador or the Nebula class instead.

    I like this suggestion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    T3 should have been the Excelsior, not the 4 nacelled garbage scows we got. The end.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Callasan wrote: »
    Agree there...The Nebula should have been either a T3 or T4 Science ship, as that's what it's original intent was.

    In the prototype stage it had 4 nacelles too - two were later removed for the final production model. Two of the prototypes made it into background or model shots in TNG though, which makes the 4-nacelle variant CANON

    Let me know if you want a link posted that shows this on a fansite.

    The nebula should be teir three but with a variant in each class depending on the 'rollbar' unit.

    I imagine allot of new ships will be added. I personally kinda hope the Excellsior will show up as a light carrier for the federation around tier three.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm just going to keep upgrading my Tier 2 OR buy a different Tier 2 if I can afford it and give it tons of upgraded weapons, shields and consoles.

    Despite the Chyenne being CANON (its in the encyclopedias, end of) its still dog ugly.
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