Seriously people, we will never be able to help them hone the game with the incessant junk on these forums from both the fanbois and doomsayers. One is as bad as the other.
I've seen constructive posts turn into ugly polarized intellectually limited shout fests from both sides and people really wanting to improve the game are caught in the middle of either of their crusades. Don't any of you that I speak of think for yourself? Can you not have a post better than, "It Suxxors" or "STO is the bestest ever MMO", its absolutely sickening how limited both sides are. You posit arguements based on faulty reasoning and just make the game worse because the DEV team can't focus on specifics on account of the faction war here.
I personally know what I like, but it isn't the same for everyone and here not many respect each others POV almost as if you are all idealogues in a political arena and you're all out to destroy or one-up each other more than you focus on the game or issue at hand.
I have a lot more to say on the subject, but I'd rather see if anyone else considers their experience similar.
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The major failure of this forum is the lack of moderators; They didn't take their role of "policeman" and let people fight against each other. They didn't need to take extreme sanctions but a word here or there would certainly help to keep a "decent" forum.
Fascinating.
what makes mmorpg forums better, is ignoring the forums. ^__^
BUT- there are WAY too many bugs and unpolished skills/equipment.
All the skills/equipments need to be more clear in their info text.
Lots of bugs with the Boffs skills right now. Which makes it hard to train them and spend points in them, because they get wiped accidently and crytpic doesnt refund skill points.
And most of all- the SKILL system is broken. again also poor description and texts to help you make educated choices. They list out only '2 example abilities the skill buffs.
A real player who actually plays for the details of the game and optimizing their skill points and gears will quickly realize the game is unpolished and broken. Making it very hard to fine tune your character/boffs/gears.
Little examples like confusion between "Deflector Field and Deflector Dish" and "Sensor Probes and Sensory arrays."
Or "captain cruiser skills" saying 'any cruiser' when it means "any cruiser of the T2" ship line ONLY. not the heavy cruisers , or asssault cruiser or star cruisers. And yet NOBODY was able to give me a solid answer to some questions on the forum. Just fanboi guesses. that ended up being WRONG.
this game is more for the RPs. people who are into startrek that can overlook all the bugs and unfunctional actual game value. sadly, the game is very broken in so many ways.
why am i still here? cuz I paid for 2 preorder bonus and am stuck with 2 months of game time. so i'm going to make the most of my game time and play SC2 when that comes out.
i have 2 officers with broken skills that i can skill up. i spent a few points in some areas and they disappear and consume my skill points and the level of their skills are still 1. i have wasted points in skills with no respec.
This helps keep things civil, but it's arguably censorship and it's also arguable that without both constructive and destructive feedback, nothing ever really gets fully addressed.
At that point I suspect that they'll announce a step-up in forum moderation followed by a few bannings of people that didn't get the message.
However, that will only solve the problem of the one hand - the doomsayers/trolls/TRIBBLE. It won't do anything to solve the problem on the other side of the fence - the incessant Trek fans to whom following canon is more important than taking a shower in the morning. Unless of course it's a particular piece of canon that doesn't fit in with their world view (like David Marcus calling Starfleet "the Military"), in which case they just completely ignore it.
I'm fairly certain that we will all simply learn to ignore those idiots. In my case I'll probably actually use the forum ignore feature, and I encourage others to do the same. It's one thing to be a Star Trek fan, heck I'm a Star Trek fan, it's a completely different thing to be so wacked out crazy on Star Trek that you can't see the real world from your command chair in mom's basement.
After my experience with STO + the behaviour on the official forums, I am really considering applying for a refund... and im a lifer...
The game has serious bugs, serious security bugs, but patch after patch adresses things like removing powerhue or sorting out skirts, this all seems somewhat backwards in my eyes...
but its nice to see the comminty as a majority think the game is unfinished, this should help anyone applying for a refund...
The only thing worse than whiners are those who whine about whiners...
Cryptic is not stupid... They can recognize constructive posts. And nothing stops any of us from PMing them if we feel we have a good idea on how some issue can be resolved...
Here's the deal... 30 days after everyone starts playing (unless they have a lifetime subscription) their credit cards are going to start being charged. Those who vehemently post their hatred of this game will start leaving because their free time is up. And if they don't leave, then they have nobody to blame but themselves if they are paying for something they think is a piece of TRIBBLE. And when the haters start leaving because they don't want to pay, the "fanbois" will not feel a need to vehemently defend what they KNOW is a sub-par Trek game...
I am not a hater, but it IS very sub-par to would it should be as a Trek game and an MMO. But I see Cryptic's effort to make it into something cool. And I am having fun with what it is.
What security bugs? 0_o
The main issues currently seem to be ATI drivers and them underestimating the server capacity they would need. The game seems to 'run' fine.
All MMOS are unfinished. The main issue with STO is that its overall vision is limited and cookie cutter 21st century mmo.
its actualy very good for what it is, the main complaint against it is that it should have been more than what it is considering the IP
I'm still wondering wth your talking about. None of us posting previous to this quote said anything about anyone leaving the game. Don't limit yourself to pre-disposed notions and learned traits, open your eyes and read the posts.
First of all, keeping trolls and psychos off of the forums isn't censorship. If you can't understand that then it'd be a waste of my time explaining it.
Secondly, I don't think you understand how feedback works. Constructive feedback is helpful suggestions and constructive criticism. Destructive feedback is, "YoU gUys aLl [censored] sUxxOrs!!! You're aLL a buCh of [censored] [censored] aNd I'm gonna [censored] you in teh mOuth just like I did t0 your sister!!!!"
That's destructive feedback. And it never addresses anything.
agreed.
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Little bugs, like 18% to resistence when you equip the gear it only shows up as 14.5% resistence.
Getting tired of bugs not getting addressed or fixed. They're aware of the bug for science officers and acheon field on engineers. but did they even inspect the bug that appered in science boffs and compare that to see if it is also present in engineers?
they do things with out testing or common sense. like in a previous patch they had removing skills off the power try unequips your gear. and then people complain cuz its awful function. how in the world did that even get added into the game as a 'feature'.
you have to admit that this game is not launch material. they rushed the game to meet the launch day because of some delay promise. the fanbois want to make it happen. they've been waiting forever for this game. guess what? from the fanboi's point of view they dont really play this game hardcore. they play it for the RPG value. sadly that is the case. if they're a real gamer. they willl admit and agree that this game is unfinished. don't give me them MMO are meant to be a work in progress TRIBBLE.
and dont get me started on the skill cap. they had a capless skill system designed and the last week of open beta, they decide to make it capped because they JUST planned on having expansion? did they NOT think this ahead of time? oh gee guys we can't produce content fast enough so we're capping the skill points earned. the skill system is BROKEN. and they have NOT addressed it since. They don't even understand how their own game works. they get a lead developer talk about skill points and grading up on 'spending skills' which is totally wrong.
this game needs way more work to be fully playable. i'm actually playing this game and noticing so many things that makes the game broken. no balance.
they can't even answer the questions asked about skill system that was posted over 2 weeks ago. poor communication with the community. and yet fanbois say. 'they're busy. they're overloaded. we should give em a break." that is NOT an excuse. if you're going to have a product you need support. if you can't handle the support, you lose customers. period.
i'm going to be here pass 30 days bro. so get used to it. i got 2 preorder bonus and del taco codes padding my game time. and probably i can even extend that with my own guess pass from my collector's box.
you won't hear from me after that since i wont be playing to comment. i'll probably just be reading and seeing what other problems there are in the games to determine if i want to come back or not.
or wait for those 'free weekends' when they're starting to find empty server capacity from people who quit.
I'm having fun reading the mission stories. A few non-combat ones are really cool to read.
I dig the space combat, but am currently very frustated with LACK of information on skills/equipments/abilites to make the right choices.
The second group are people that are complaining in hopes that the moderators will see these threads and start to actually do their jobs (for a change) and ban some of these TRIBBLE.
No they're not stupid. But you can spend hours on the forums and not see the good stuff because it gets buried under heaps of 4chan garbage. And you can't PM many of them because their mailboxes are full. I know because I've tried.
Yes, we all know how this works dad. In thirty days their free subscription will expire and they won't be able to talk mom into paying the subscription cost for them. We understand that that is going to banish most of the trolls. The unfortunate thing is that the worst of the Star Trek fans who want this game to be some weird twisted conceptionist simulation instead of a game will still be here. I just hope that the devs are smart enough to not listen to them either.
It's an MMO. It doesn't get any special favors or breaks from the universe simply because it's Star Trek. It's an MMO. As an MMO it's very typical for a starting MMO. A little lighter on content than some, but it's had a much smoother launch than others. Save your "It's not good enough for Star Trek" for some other day and look at this objectively for 10 seconds.
It's an MMO. And for an MMO it's pretty good. Does it need work, yes. Don't all MMOs need work, yes. Am I being a delusional fanboi defending Cryptic no matter what? Absolutely not. Take a look at my post history. If you still believe that I'm a delusional fanboi that's going to defend Cryptic no matter what they do then please tell me now so that I can simply ignore all of your posts from here on out.
Would be easy to do if I had a game to play at the moment.... just saying
I didn't make my point clear it seems.
If you don't allow potential new players a place to post they won't post and won't try the game, so closing the forums off completely is not a good idea. I was simlpy stating this would be a way to reduce the TRIBBLE, i wasn't advocating this as a healthy way to run a forum.
Censorship has many forms and wasn't the point, it was a footnote to the point. Censoring anything negative is, well, negative to a games development. Sometimes it needs players complaining strongly en-masse to get the game dev's to take notice of a fundimental problem. Destructive criticism is not necessarily what you think (your example isn't criticism in any form, it's just random abuse), it can be ultimately constructive.
they're not going to tell you anything about that....
they haven't even addressed the problems of the skill tree. or any of the skill questions from the "ask cryptic". and do you think they'll even know the answer to the question because they can't even understand how their own game works.
saying things like "you grade up when you spend your skill points." (whichi s totally wrong)
grading up is done automatically as you 'earn' points not spend them...
you "rank up when you spend the required skill points."
how do you take a lead developer seriously when he doesn't even know how the game works.
i'm just ****ed i wasted my points in cruiser captain skills only to find out they do NOT work like it reads. and there is no respec right now. too many broken texts. lead developer says, if you right click on the gear/equipment or the skill you'll get info on how to buff that skill/equipment. WRONG. it lists out 2 abilities only.
then you get a skill like technician. which works ONLY for ground combat. but you have to spend 9 points into that to learn "Engineering Team III" wth?
the system is designed to be capless. they were expecting people to eventually fill it out. i wasted points into techician and guess what. when i spent all those points. i couldn't even train my buff that skill. WHY?
because i had to become commander first and then promote my officer. so for the entire time that i had to level up- it was wasted into that skill. and cruiser captain skill i spent as my last remaining skill points to get to commander. and gues what? i got a new ship and that skill doesn't benefit me in the next rank. wow. so many useless skills. majority of the time is spend on points that do not benefit you "while" you level.
here's an exploit for you guys later when we all get respec. skill up technician to max. train a boff Engineering Team III. respec and don't put points again into technician. i'm sure it will work.
developers don't read the forum much. they barely can read the bug tickets.
took 2 days for them to remove gold spamming thread on the forum. actually, i think that thread is still there with some body 'quoting the address of the gold selling website still.
my complaints are all valid complaints. i'm also tired of the multiple load screens.
So I ranked up. going for my promotion. I leave my mission map area=. load screen. use transwarp. I zone to space dock earth hit load screen. dock on to space station = load screen. walk into admiral's office = load screen. leave admiral's office = load screen go to get my new ship = load screen. leave ship requisition area = load screen. access my bank. beam back to ship = load screen. go to sector space = load screen. move to next zone = load screen. hmmmm....
WoW. that's a TRIBBLE ton of load screens just to do trivial tasks before going to my mission.
1. Don't make advertisement for things if you can not even hold up the promise.
2. TALK TO YOUR FREAKING CUSTOMERS ! Tell us what is going on, speak to us, don't let everybody in the dark. This is the biggest single mistake a software company can make !!!
I've already done a monthly recurring subscription with STO because I've seen how MMORPGs rise and fall and rise again. I'll give it a year and see what happens after that.
And to those who complain that Cryptic isn't communicating with it's customers, wait for the RELEASE notes as soon as it's been fixed. If there are no release notes, you could always send an email to them. No use getting angry. There are ways and means to contact Cryptic.
And to those who complain "Not fair I'm not going spend $14.00 on a buggy game." My advice to you is go to the Billing Support page and cancel your subscription. Visit the STO in a few months and see if Cryptic finally met your high standards of quality and excellence. Trust me...it's easy to cancel a subscription.
BE PATIENT IS ALL I CAN SAY...
what also ****ed me off the most is that on the official website they talk about 'capless skill system. and then some developer goes on an interview and slips his tongue and tells the 3rd party website that there is going to be a cap in the game. they didn't even address to the community on the official forums or official news website that the skill system is getting changed to be capped. that's a real slap in the face to the customers. especially when we have to find out from an interview site.
I disagree on the first point, I HAVE gone to info on my abilities and have indeed seen which skills buff it, and have indeed seen more the 3. I have also noted, that your main class abilites also are buffed by skills. Nadion Inversion, EPS Power Transer, yup, all listed.
The technician thing is annoying, but your cruiser argument is also not correct. That is one thing it clearly states. It says, in the skill description, that it only benefits that cruiser type. So I disagree on that as well. You can't tell me that its Cryptics fault when it does clearly say what skills benefit what abilities, and that ship skills only benefit that ship type. That is false.
this is not an excuse. this is a typical fan boi response. the same people that say "its open beta" they'll fix it by launch. give them a few weeks. it'll be ready.
"its just head start guys" they'll fix it by launch.
"its just the launch day" they'lll fix it.
"it just the first week" they'll fix it.
"give it a few more months".
really? seriously?
they should NOT have released the game this early.
Are you joking?
You obviously have not played the game to its fullest. Feedback Pulse. Tell me which console equipment has the correct text that lists out what it buffs. What does the text say for Feedback Pulse in the abilitiles tab when you click on it from the power tray? Does it tell you skills modifies that ability?
Does it really clearly say it benefits only the "Cruiser" type??? CLEARLY HUH??
The Cruiser Captain Skill. is VAGUE. the description is misleading. and NOBODY was able to give me a straight answer for weeks now- until I had to go spend the point to find out it does NOT benefit Heavy Cruiser. So you're telling me that you knew this all along? that cruiser captain skill only benefits T2 line ships?
"Improves accuracy, speed and maneuverability when captaining any cruiser class of starship "
That clearly says "Cruiser Lineship only." ? That clearly says "Lt. Commander ships" only?
Anybody who reads that description will tell you that it means "any cruiser" encompassing heavy cruiser and assault cruiser.
WHY?
because the heavy cruiser description says this:
"This skill provides a slight improvement to accuracy, damage, speed, and maneuverability when captaining a heavy cruiser starship. "
Why not write them so its consistent. Such as maybe:
"This skill provides a slight improvement to accuracy, damage, speed, and maneuverability when captaining a Cruiser starship."
Capital C. with the word "a" in front of Cruiser. I might at least for a moment it means Cruiser T2 ships only.
But saying "any cruiser" lower case c with the words "any" I'd have to say that's VAGUE. NOT CLEARLY.
You obviously have NOT played the game. SHIP SKILLS ONLY BENEFIT that TYPE.
Captain Heavy Cruiser Skill benefits ONLY Heavy Cruiser lines.
Captain Cruiser Skills benefit ONLY Cruiser lines. (Tier2)
I have already done extensive testing on this. I screen captured ship specs, place points in them compared which ship benefits from them. Ship Skills benefit ONLY for that type.
Unless you have screen shots to prove otherwise.
Don't fool yourself, nothing posted here will impact Dev actions. Official forums are little more than therapy for the player base. Everyone comes here for their 'Airing of grievances' or carebear expressions, people seek fights or try to stop them, nothing discussed here will impact game development.