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Excuse me for being hash but serious why is this game released when 90% of it is incomplete?

Don't get me wrong, I appreiate the dev team semi-active on the forum addressing major issues .. but is that really enough?

Almost every time after a patch has been applied, the game goes horribly wrong in another direction.. Is the patch ever tested on a test-server at all !?

I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

Devs .. I would expect you to answer this and not be completely silent in this issue.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    its called pseudo profit maximization, blame atari
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Is there nothing positive you enjoy in this game? How is incomplete? I am sorry but calling a game incomplete and not backing your argument with any sort of proof is pointless and a waste of your, mine, and everyone elses time that reads this thread.

    Edit: also the Devs cannot be expected to answer every thread with the Devs you should respond to this, on average its every three or four threads.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    so do you have facts to back up your 90% incomplete statement or is this one of the statistics on the fly kind of deals?

    From my end in seems the complete opposite.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Excuse me for being hash but serious why is this game released when 90% of it is incomplete?

    Don't get me wrong, I appreiate the dev team semi-active on the forum addressing major issues .. but is that really enough?

    Almost every time after a patch has been applied, the game goes horribly wrong in another direction.. Is the patch ever tested on a test-server at all !?

    I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

    Devs .. I would expect you to answer this and not be completely silent in this issue.

    Aion was way worse IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This! Is! Paid! Beta! in my best 300 imitation.

    The differences between 6+ years of development(WoW for example) and 2 years(STO) are stark. Not even in the same league of doneness.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zorac wrote:
    so do you have facts to back up your 90% incomplete statement or is this one of the statistics on the fly kind of deals?

    From my end in seems the complete opposite.

    Let me get this straight, you are saying things such as the Klingon faction, crafting system, revamp of skill system a week before launch, and more: feel complete to you? You can honestly say this with a straight face?

    I'm in the wrong business....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Excuse me for being hash but serious why is this game released when 90% of it is incomplete?

    Don't get me wrong, I appreiate the dev team semi-active on the forum addressing major issues .. but is that really enough?

    Almost every time after a patch has been applied, the game goes horribly wrong in another direction.. Is the patch ever tested on a test-server at all !?

    I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

    Devs .. I would expect you to answer this and not be completely silent in this issue.



    90%???? Really????

    What? You want a 24/7 dev to be available to answer questions like "Why is the game 90% broken?" Take your subscription money and go elsewhere. I'm sure there is a nice Mario game out there for you.

    Sheesh
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Let me get this straight, you are saying things such as the Klingon faction, crafting system, revamp of skill system a week before launch, and more: feel complete to you? You can honestly say this with a straight face?

    I'm in the wrong business....

    okay your right 80%. But I'm also referring to things such as the engine/graphics/etc. and not just content and balancing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    oh ya ya, the graphics, for an MMO, are top notch, no issues there. Space combat is fun even without full 3D, lots of good things, but still lots of incomplete things too.

    My fanboi friends are right, if you don't like the game, you don't need to be a paying customer. cya :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well if they spent all their time responding to every single person's "Devs respond now!" & especially opinion threads they wouldn't have time to fix things now would they? When they do respond it's typically to gameplay specific related questions. However you can use the Dev Tracker to see what they are saying about what.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This! Is! Paid! Beta! in my best 300 imitation.

    The differences between 6+ years of development(WoW for example) and 2 years(STO) are stark. Not even in the same league of doneness.

    I agree, I played WoW for a few days (of a 10 day trial period) about two months ago. WoW after 6 years looked 6 years old, played 6 years old, and is not in anyway "polished". I played WoW back when it was released (at launch) and visually, it has not changed a bit. Player classes, still unbalanced....Plenty of "End Game Content".......its content Ended my playing it! That and its community!

    So I agree with you, STO is far better with just 2 years developement, than WoW is after 6+ years.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Blodveard wrote: »
    I agree, I played WoW for a few days (of a 10 day trial period) about two months ago. WoW after 6 years looked 6 years old, played 6 years old, and is not in anyway "polished". I played WoW back when it was released (at launch) and visually, it has not changed a bit. Player classes, still unbalanced....Plenty of "End Game Content".......its content Ended my playing it! That and its community!

    So I agree with you, STO is far better with just 2 years developement, than WoW is after 6+ years.

    I agree with you too, WoW is still far better, even being 6 years old and STO just being released. This thread has motivated me to resub WoW and cancel STO until it catches up in quality. Maybe another 6 years for STO?

    Love the logic there :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Excuse me for being hash but serious why is this game released when 90% of it is incomplete?

    Don't get me wrong, I appreiate the dev team semi-active on the forum addressing major issues .. but is that really enough?

    Almost every time after a patch has been applied, the game goes horribly wrong in another direction.. Is the patch ever tested on a test-server at all !?

    I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

    Devs .. I would expect you to answer this and not be completely silent in this issue.

    You do know 90% of all statistics are made up right? :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    oh ya ya, the graphics, for an MMO, are top notch, no issues there. Space combat is fun even without full 3D, lots of good things, but still lots of incomplete things too.

    My fanboi friends are right, if you don't like the game, you don't need to be a paying customer. cya :eek:

    Don't get me wrong there are lot of things gameplay wise that need to change. But In terms of overall completeness through all phases of development, it is pretty far along.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I agree with you too, WoW is still far better, even being 6 years old and STO just being released. This thread has motivated me to resub WoW and cancel STO until it catches up in quality. Maybe another 6 years for STO?

    Love the logic there :D

    I said the exact opposite of what you just wrote. WoW is not far better, it is 6 year old TRIBBLE! STO is far more developed after just 2 years of developement.

    If Blizzard was so comfortable about WoW, why are they looking to scrap the whole thing? Easy answer, it is outdated. Second answer, it has no real content. It has been reduced to nothing more than catering to loot monkies (those who only care about what epic loots they have). Its pvp is lame, based solely on what epic loot you have......Boring as hell!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I agree with you too, WoW is still far better, even being 6 years old and STO just being released. This thread has motivated me to resub WoW and cancel STO until it catches up in quality. Maybe another 6 years for STO?

    Love the logic there :D

    My logic is:

    I'll keep paying my subscription as long as they keep adding content. When they stop adding content I'll stop paying.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Blodveard wrote: »
    I said the exact opposite of what you just wrote. WoW is not far better, it is 6 year old TRIBBLE! STO is far more developed after just 2 years of developement.

    If Blizzard was so comfortable about WoW, why are they looking to scrap the whole thing? Easy answer, it is outdated. Second answer, it has no real content. It has been reduced to nothing more than catering to loot monkies (those who only care about what epic loots they have). Its pvp is lame, based solely on what epic loot you have......Boring as hell!



    And I said the exact opposite of you, yet there you went doing what you are now complaining about....


    But still, you are right and I agree. WoW is far more polished and better at this stage and its launch stage.

    KUDOS :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Excuse me for being hash but serious why is this game released when 90% of it is incomplete?

    Well, since I've completed about 25% of the game, and it isn't incomplete, I'm guessing you made up your "90%" and don't have any hard facts to back that up.


    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Almost every time after a patch has been applied, the game goes horribly wrong in another direction.. Is the patch ever tested on a test-server at all !?

    Particulars please, what has gone horribly wrong after a patch? Since I haven't ventured into the PvP area's yet, maybe all of the "horribly wrong" is contained to that "90%" of the game?
    LAMNSK wrote: »
    I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

    I call shenanigans on this point yet again. I have a very good friend who played both of these from the start and said basically the exact opposite, with cold hard examples to back up his complaints.

    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Devs .. I would expect you to answer this and not be completely silent in this issue.

    Since you are obviously a TROLL, and have made up about "90%" of your "horribly wrong" post, I doubt you'll get the responses you are seeking.

    Toodles.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ordell1128 wrote:
    Well, since I've completed about 25% of the game, and it isn't incomplete, I'm guessing you made up your "90%" and don't have any hard facts to back that up.





    Particulars please, what has gone horribly wrong after a patch? Since I haven't ventured into the PvP area's yet, maybe all of the "horribly wrong" is contained to that "90%" of the game?



    I call shenanigans on this point yet again. I have a very good friend who played both of these from the start and said basically the exact opposite, with cold hard examples to back up his complaints.




    Since you are obviously a TROLL, and have made up about "90%" of your "horribly wrong" post, I doubt you'll get the responses you are seeking.

    Toodles.

    and why do you even care posting if you have no idea what is going on ? start a klingon or get to admiral, then you will see what he is talking about.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hmm. I must admit that I only started this game yesterday and I'm not even that deep in to it yet. Been playing quite a bit though. Only issue I have had was my silly on-board audio chip which I was able to get to work with this game with simple shortcut launch command that kind people provided me.

    movements controls are way better than in many mmo's. Graphics looks quite polished, stylish. Good engine. I like the space-combat system. keeps my fingers busy (and I thought it would have been boring).

    Ground combat-system could use some polishing to make it great. it's good now also though. But with some tuning it could really turn out great for pvp/team pve tactics.

    I haven't gotten into skill build much yet but the little I have checked it out it looks quite straight forward, logical. In a good way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LAMNSK wrote: »
    Excuse me for being hash but serious why is this game released when 90% of it is incomplete?

    Don't get me wrong, I appreiate the dev team semi-active on the forum addressing major issues .. but is that really enough?

    Almost every time after a patch has been applied, the game goes horribly wrong in another direction.. Is the patch ever tested on a test-server at all !?

    I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

    Devs .. I would expect you to answer this and not be completely silent in this issue.

    You have to talk to Atari about that. They are the producers.

    Warhammer had half of its cities cut, and two classes. Id say thats about equal to what happened here. Also, I seem to remember that dx10 was supposed to be in the game? When I played it, it looked little better than wow, and I was able to play at max settings.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    zerosoul wrote: »
    and why do you even care posting if you have no idea what is going on ? start a klingon or get to admiral, then you will see what he is talking about.

    We already know the Klingon faction is PVP only, its not in a not finished mode, its in a hey people want to be able to play the Klingon's just like the federation. So they have stated that they are working on PVE content.

    Second people who power level to an MMO's "last" level will always find there isn't much to do right after an MMO launch as end game content usually rolls out a few months after release. The fact that there was a release within the first month should tell you something about Crytpics commitment.

    If you are bored time to stop warp core breaching in SOL system and go find something else to do. Maybe PVP?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I came from AION and played that since launch .. I came from WAR before that and played that since launch .. Never have I played a "released" game had this many issues regarding gameplay, content, patch problems, and overall community.

    Not been involved in much gaming have you?

    Aion had extreme issues with lag and ques at both beta, headstart and eventually launch. It took them about a week to finally get new servers going after launch.

    Warhammer online? EU kept getting patch's weeks after the american servers. And THEN they would be the wrong patch, outdated, or broken.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    valdan wrote:
    We already know the Klingon faction is PVP only, its not in a not finished mode, its in a hey people want to be able to play the Klingon's just like the federation. So they have stated that they are working on PVE content.

    Second people who power level to an MMO's "last" level will always find there isn't much to do right after an MMO launch as end game content usually rolls out a few months after release. The fact that there was a release within the first month should tell you something about Crytpics commitment.

    If you are bored time to stop warp core breaching in SOL system and go find something else to do. Maybe PVP?

    oh yeah , cause there are so many admiral klingons... you dont have to power lvl to get to admiral if you played the beta and were in for the headstart.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You people complain more than my grandmother, and make about as much sense. 90% of the game is incomplete? wtf.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    yes WAR did have two classes cut out.. but its not like they are making you purchase it with real money to be able to play them later on.


    Alot of you seem to be meserized by the "90%' i stated. Obviously I was exaggerating to grab reader's attention. If you don't understand this far and have a problem with 90%, then perhaps you should go back to playing broadgames and action figures.

    The fact is the game is INCOMPLETE. Want facts to "back it up" .. here are some:

    1. Skills - no in depth details as to what is what. Some major skills (eg. Viral Matrix, Aceton Field) are either bugged, imbalanced, or both.

    2. Capacity - Server is overcrowded even though it is instanced. Problem seems to be "solved" now, but the fact that there was the problem is not exceptable. All these issues should have been looked over in Beta, that is what beta is for.

    3. Patches - Right after the recent patch, many players were unable to load into a star system, some cannot select new ships, others STILL have not received their pre-order bonuses. Are the patches even TESTED before it is implemented into the system?

    and the list goes on....

    So where is the problem? The root of it I believe its planning. The patches fix the little stuff , but does not address to the major issues of the game.

    Want more proof? Ask yourself this, have you been able to auto-team at all beyond the Sirius Sector?


    This is an MMO for crying out loud. Not a single player game with a built in instant messaging chat box
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    You people complain more than my grandmother, and make about as much sense. 90% of the game is incomplete? wtf.

    90% is non-sense... more like 40-50%, considering the klingon faction and lack of endgame +bugs

    but seriously , can anybody name a mmo that had less content than sto on release?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Let me get this straight, you are saying things such as the Klingon faction, crafting system, revamp of skill system a week before launch, and more: feel complete to you? You can honestly say this with a straight face?

    I'm in the wrong business....

    Er. The only Skill System revamp was a cap added. You should be prepared for policies like that to change a couple of times a month in most MMOs.

    The crafting system is complete. It's just not intended to be a major feature. The game would be complete with no crafting. I suspect, based on feedback, that it will be revamped/expanded, but MMORPGs don't need crafting.

    Klingon faction? Yes. Incomplete. They originally didn't plan on having it AT ALL until an expansion but Jack Emmert said that his experience was that it was better to put a hint of something in, even unfinished, than to wait and introduce a full system AFTER everyone who would have liked the system has passed on the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    zerosoul wrote: »
    90% is non-sense... more like 40-50%, considering the klingon faction and lack of endgame +bugs

    More like 15-20% if you consider the Klingon Faction to be a mini-game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Myself and many people outside of US are having major issues connecting and staying connected to the game. I had no problems playing Aion at launch other than a bit of queueing on release day, while I recognize that some others had more significant problems.

    What people don't realize is that beyond the overall stability of the launch every single user has a different experience based on their systems/ISP's/geographical locations/time of day they play etc. Cryptic has some major issues with all of the things I listed.

    Can't enable certain graphical settings like AA on ATI cards or dynamic lighting on certain cards without causing major issues.

    Many users are having connection issues because Cryptics servers doesn't like their ISP/location they are routing from and as a result the game is basically unplayable for many of them.

    Anybody that has to use the proxy servers are basically unable to play at primetime because cryptic admitted their proxy servers become easily overloaded.

    So for many users it's been pretty smooth other than the frequent server downtime and queue to get in sometimes. BUT for a lot of users including myself this has been far and away the absolute worst MMO launch and worst experience I've ever had getting a game to run properly and it still is because Cryptic is still trying to get their proxy servers running properly. I've never ever had problems running any other game or internet application that even came remotely close to playing this game. That's my experience though, yours can differ but at least educate yourself on the overall situation before passing judgement based on your experience alone.
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