I always find it funny to see all these people defend a game, but instead of playing it, they come here and bash people trying to make it better.
I understand there are a lot of stupid posts whining and not being helpful, but there are other posts where people post problems, whine free and still get insulted and told to go play hello kitty.
I know you see a lot of the same bugs pointed out, but each person posting makes that much of a stronger view as to the most annoying bugs to fix first. Also, you don't have to read all the bug posts if you don't want to.
Look, if you really like the game, you would want the flaws to get fixed, right? Or am I missing something?
Well you can given negitive feedback in 2 forms here on the STO Forums.
1. Uber Nerd rage and make a point get trolled/flamed but successfully express your passion for a issue... and its funny...
2. Make a intelligent point with reasons to support your issues be flamed told your a QQ'ing and can I have your stuff?
Well you can given negitive feedback in 2 forms here on the STO Forums.
1. Uber Nerd rage and make a point get trolled/flamed but successfully express your passion for a issue... and its funny...
2. Make a intelligent point with reasons to support your issues be flamed told your a QQ'ing and can I have your stuff?
Well you can given negitive feedback in 2 forms here on the STO Forums.
1. Uber Nerd rage and make a point get trolled/flamed but successfully express your passion for a issue... and its funny...
2. Make a intelligent point with reasons to support your issues be flamed told your a QQ'ing and can I have your stuff?
So the first choice is at least entertaining
Pretty much as straight and honest as I have seen.
Well you can given negitive feedback in 2 forms here on the STO Forums.
1. Uber Nerd rage and make a point get trolled/flamed but successfully express your passion for a issue... and its funny...
2. Make a intelligent point with reasons to support your issues be flamed told your a QQ'ing and can I have your stuff?
So the first choice is at least entertaining
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
Search my name around the date of the end of OB I had a few very good posts but still flamed to all hell. Same with several other people who had issues and backed them up all they got was QQ and leave alrdy etc etc:(
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
You cant be serious. I can link some threads if you would like
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Right.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
If that is what you got from my post then I am starting to see where the problem lies.
Let me repeat myself, because it does not seem like you read what I put in the OP.
I understand there are a lot of stupid posts whining and not being helpful.....
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
I would beg to differ, I have posted in the past a non-threatening post discussing some of the problems with no DP, got flame after flame, more trolls than I could count...
the simple fact is that a lot of people on the net show their true colors, and those colors are very immature.
If that is what you got from my post then I am starting to see where the problem lies.
Let me repeat myself, because it does not seem like you read what I put in the OP.
I understand there are a lot of stupid posts whining and not being helpful.....
IMO I think SOME are to emotionally and financially invested in the game to be objective. With lifetime subs and multiple games purchased for pre orders and what not, its hard for SOME of them to have to take a step back and really look at the investments in a less "rose" tinted light. ITs just easier for them to shout down concerns and opinions that paint their investment in a less than flattering way.
IMO I think are to emotionally and financially invested in the game to be objective sometimes. With lifetime subs and multiple games purchased for pre orders and what not, its hard for SOME of them to have to take a step back and really look at the investments in a less "rose" tinted light.
/agree
I just find it funny that if they feel the game is so awesome, why are they here posting about how great it is, instead of actually playing it.
I just find it funny that if they feel the game is so awesome, why are they here posting about how great it is, instead of actually playing it.
Ah, some like to browse forums at work and what not. I dont pay much attention to them. Those types are not the ones who will push the game in new and hopefully better directions.
Well you can given negitive feedback in 2 forms here on the STO Forums.
1. Uber Nerd rage and make a point get trolled/flamed but successfully express your passion for a issue... and its funny...
2. Make a intelligent point with reasons to support your issues be flamed told your a QQ'ing and can I have your stuff?
So the first choice is at least entertaining
Indeed.
Therre are two types of people who are trying to help make this game better.
1. Those who make negative comments to help improve the game. But at the end of the day, they're still trying to make the game better. And hope that developers get the message.
2. Those who make positive feedback and happy fan boy comments.
Half empty. Half full.
You say To- may to. I say To- ma to.
Same difference.
It's just more fun having nerd rage!!! And more entertaining on a forum to hear the fan bois jump your nutts, trying to defend this perfect game. LOL.
Bashing, Trolling and Fanboism are part and parcel of MMO forums, go to MMORPG.com and have a look, and there the forums are monitored heavily and it still happens.
The game is new, and a lot of peeps bought the game that end up not liking it and they come here to vent their anger for losing the money they paid for the game. After some time these guys will be tired and move on to the next game.
At that point the trolling will stop and then the bashing will also stop, or be far less than it is now.
The bashing I see (and happily take part in) are the quitranters or "I've had a RL crime committed against me cause I screwed up my cartoon fleet and it's valueless inventory" bozo's.
It's pretty rare to see someone get flamed right off for posting a critique of something. People will disagree, like the death penalty debate. But usually it takes a while for those to devolve into flamefests, and it's usually random trolls doing it to eachother, hijacking the serious discussion.
People who do an Original Post saying "This game sucks I demand you do what I want or I'm quitting and taking everyone else who plays with me" or "I'm going to sue you cause I'm not having fun" or "Billybob is a CRIMINAL who should go to prison because he suckered me into giving him access to all my stuffs"... well how do those mental midgets not expect to get flamed immediately?
well really if you don't like the game, just keep your mouth shut, and to those who get upset by those who say this game sucks and etc, this game and STU is their fav. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
well really if you don't like the game, just keep your mouth shut, and to those who get upset by those who say this game sucks and etc, this game and STU is their fav. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
I like the game, but I think that it has some serious flaws... I have no problem with constructive criticism. I think that people that post that the game sucks with no real suggestions need to get bent... as to people who flame any and all criticism of the game.
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
Strange....
When I posted that I had canceled my pre order YOU and many others decided it was bashing time. My post was constructive and gave valid reason why I had canceled. You even pointed out comments in other posts that I had made...
Pot, Kettle, Black are three words that spring to mind.
You realy should maybe take a look back at some of your posts that I have come accross, no searching was done....
Bashing, Trolling and Fanboism are part and parcel of MMO forums, go to MMORPG.com and have a look, and there the forums are monitored heavily and it still happens.
The game is new, and a lot of peeps bought the game that end up not liking it and they come here to vent their anger for losing the money they paid for the game. After some time these guys will be tired and move on to the next game.
At that point the trolling will stop and then the bashing will also stop, or be far less than it is now.
MMORPG.com? Zero respect for a site that names themselves after a genre than lists and calls games that ARNT MMO's i.e. Combat Arms
Like all posts of this nature, if you're not a moderator, then it doesn't matter because the behavior of the posters cannot be controlled, and there probably isn't a more worthless task on earth than asking internet forum users to behave.
There are two fanatical groups of people on MMO forums. Those that hate the game and those that like/love the game. Every post is subjected to that same idiot remarks. Post a favorable thread, and the haters jump on it. Post a negative thread, and the other group jumps all over it. Doesn't matter the content, there is always at least one person to take exception.
The only real way to fix this stupidity is through active moderation, which this forum sees very little. So your alternative is to deal with it, or not use the forum.
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
Agreed. I open these forum posts and see a lot of one time posters starting as OP saying the following:
"STO sucks and I cancel my subscription".
"This game will only last 30 days and everyone will quit."
"Cryptic is greedy hoars."
"I made Admiral in 4 hours and want my money back."
Oddly enough, a lot of the later posters to these threads in apparent agreement will be ones who someone in my group has added to the group ignore, so I know that the agreement side is not made up of wonderful posters."
I think the posters who have unreasonable expectations for an online game mostly need education, but most flame anyone who tries and explain how online gaming works.
On the other hand, real, strong, intelligent critical threats rarely get flamed by more than a very few trolls, meaning that I would have to /disagree with the OP.
When I posted that I had canceled my pre order YOU and many others decided it was bashing time. My post was constructive and gave valid reason why I had canceled. You even pointed out comments in other posts that I had made...
Pot, Kettle, Black are three words that spring to mind.
You realy should maybe take a look back at some of your posts that I have come accross, no searching was done....
Again pot, kettle, black flashes through my mind.
Or you can provide links. For example, if you post an "I quit this game sucks" type post, no one with any sense will respect anything further you have to say. There is a strong dislike on the Internet for quitters who do not have excellent reason for quitting, if they want sympathy for quitting.
well really if you don't like the game, just keep your mouth shut, and to those who get upset by those who say this game sucks and etc, this game and STU is their fav. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
When you get something for free and it breaks you can walk away without a care in the world but when you have to pay for something and invest time in it and you think it is broken people tend to get upset and will lash out in the loudest and fastest avenue available. So the chances of anybody ever folllowing what you are saying is pretty much slim to none. With most people falling into the none catagory.
I think people bash the whining, complaining, and entitlement more than actual constructive suggestions aimed at making the game better. Most defenses come against the trolls who just want to arbitrarily bash the game and Cryptic, and are angry and immature about it.
Interesting topic but there is a very simple answer to the question it poses. No.
As long as one person has an opinion and someone else doesn't agree with it, there will always be bashing. We can't help it. It's the neanderthal in us all. Everyone at some point has wanted to bash someone else over the head with something, even if it was just "facts".
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1. Uber Nerd rage and make a point get trolled/flamed but successfully express your passion for a issue... and its funny...
2. Make a intelligent point with reasons to support your issues be flamed told your a QQ'ing and can I have your stuff?
So the first choice is at least entertaining
lol I agree...
Pretty much as straight and honest as I have seen.
+1
As far as number 2, I've never seen it. If someone makes an intelligent criticism, it isn't flamed, at least, not that I've ever seen, going back to before closed beta.
Also, OP, people saying "this game sucks! I quit! This game will fail!" is not "trying to make the game better," as you put it.
Search my name around the date of the end of OB I had a few very good posts but still flamed to all hell. Same with several other people who had issues and backed them up all they got was QQ and leave alrdy etc etc:(
You cant be serious. I can link some threads if you would like
Not flaming, but I just disagree.
Right.
If that is what you got from my post then I am starting to see where the problem lies.
Let me repeat myself, because it does not seem like you read what I put in the OP.
I understand there are a lot of stupid posts whining and not being helpful.....
So love the avatar if thats you than wow you must need to carry a bat'leth to keep the trekkies off you lol
I would beg to differ, I have posted in the past a non-threatening post discussing some of the problems with no DP, got flame after flame, more trolls than I could count...
the simple fact is that a lot of people on the net show their true colors, and those colors are very immature.
IMO I think SOME are to emotionally and financially invested in the game to be objective. With lifetime subs and multiple games purchased for pre orders and what not, its hard for SOME of them to have to take a step back and really look at the investments in a less "rose" tinted light. ITs just easier for them to shout down concerns and opinions that paint their investment in a less than flattering way.
/agree
I just find it funny that if they feel the game is so awesome, why are they here posting about how great it is, instead of actually playing it.
Ah, some like to browse forums at work and what not. I dont pay much attention to them. Those types are not the ones who will push the game in new and hopefully better directions.
What's that?
LOL
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Indeed.
Therre are two types of people who are trying to help make this game better.
1. Those who make negative comments to help improve the game. But at the end of the day, they're still trying to make the game better. And hope that developers get the message.
2. Those who make positive feedback and happy fan boy comments.
Half empty. Half full.
You say To- may to. I say To- ma to.
Same difference.
It's just more fun having nerd rage!!! And more entertaining on a forum to hear the fan bois jump your nutts, trying to defend this perfect game. LOL.
The game is new, and a lot of peeps bought the game that end up not liking it and they come here to vent their anger for losing the money they paid for the game. After some time these guys will be tired and move on to the next game.
At that point the trolling will stop and then the bashing will also stop, or be far less than it is now.
Unless its a one way street!
It's pretty rare to see someone get flamed right off for posting a critique of something. People will disagree, like the death penalty debate. But usually it takes a while for those to devolve into flamefests, and it's usually random trolls doing it to eachother, hijacking the serious discussion.
People who do an Original Post saying "This game sucks I demand you do what I want or I'm quitting and taking everyone else who plays with me" or "I'm going to sue you cause I'm not having fun" or "Billybob is a CRIMINAL who should go to prison because he suckered me into giving him access to all my stuffs"... well how do those mental midgets not expect to get flamed immediately?
I like the game, but I think that it has some serious flaws... I have no problem with constructive criticism. I think that people that post that the game sucks with no real suggestions need to get bent... as to people who flame any and all criticism of the game.
Strange....
When I posted that I had canceled my pre order YOU and many others decided it was bashing time. My post was constructive and gave valid reason why I had canceled. You even pointed out comments in other posts that I had made...
Pot, Kettle, Black are three words that spring to mind.
You realy should maybe take a look back at some of your posts that I have come accross, no searching was done....
Again pot, kettle, black flashes through my mind.
MMORPG.com? Zero respect for a site that names themselves after a genre than lists and calls games that ARNT MMO's i.e. Combat Arms
There are two fanatical groups of people on MMO forums. Those that hate the game and those that like/love the game. Every post is subjected to that same idiot remarks. Post a favorable thread, and the haters jump on it. Post a negative thread, and the other group jumps all over it. Doesn't matter the content, there is always at least one person to take exception.
The only real way to fix this stupidity is through active moderation, which this forum sees very little. So your alternative is to deal with it, or not use the forum.
Agreed. I open these forum posts and see a lot of one time posters starting as OP saying the following:
"STO sucks and I cancel my subscription".
"This game will only last 30 days and everyone will quit."
"Cryptic is greedy hoars."
"I made Admiral in 4 hours and want my money back."
Oddly enough, a lot of the later posters to these threads in apparent agreement will be ones who someone in my group has added to the group ignore, so I know that the agreement side is not made up of wonderful posters."
I think the posters who have unreasonable expectations for an online game mostly need education, but most flame anyone who tries and explain how online gaming works.
On the other hand, real, strong, intelligent critical threats rarely get flamed by more than a very few trolls, meaning that I would have to /disagree with the OP.
Or you can provide links. For example, if you post an "I quit this game sucks" type post, no one with any sense will respect anything further you have to say. There is a strong dislike on the Internet for quitters who do not have excellent reason for quitting, if they want sympathy for quitting.
When you get something for free and it breaks you can walk away without a care in the world but when you have to pay for something and invest time in it and you think it is broken people tend to get upset and will lash out in the loudest and fastest avenue available. So the chances of anybody ever folllowing what you are saying is pretty much slim to none. With most people falling into the none catagory.
just my 2 cents;)
As long as one person has an opinion and someone else doesn't agree with it, there will always be bashing. We can't help it. It's the neanderthal in us all. Everyone at some point has wanted to bash someone else over the head with something, even if it was just "facts".