IN many captain missions we see them one again allied together, I may have missed some sort of back story here but I just can't see how that could happen?
For those that do not know in the end the Cardassians rebelled causing the Jem'Hadar to start genocide on the general population. Millions were killed, entire cities were turned to rubble... so how could they possibly reforge any alliance?
Most Cardassians hate the Dominion. Some cling to an absurdly rosy view of the "glory days" of their history and want to make a return to that a reality (very much shades of Fascism's rise to power in broken post-WWI Germany). The latter are the ones we're fighting.
Ah thanks for explaining, still pretty far fetched being what the Jem'Hadar did to their homeworld and the fact Jem'Hadar preach loyalty & victory... and been betrayed... so this "alliance" with whatever faction still wouldn't go for it... but whatever.
Ah thanks for explaining, still pretty far fetched being what the Jem'Hadar did to their homeworld and the fact Jem'Hadar preach loyalty & victory... and been betrayed... so this "alliance" with whatever faction still wouldn't go for it... but whatever.
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Hypocrisy appears to be the one trait common to all sentient life in Star Trek.
Also, in many respects Jem'Hadar almost 'dont count' in terms of being life forms. They're bred the same way you might breed a pack of dogs, just these dogs fly ships and fight for you. They'll fight for whoever they're programmed or ordered to fight for.
Ah thanks for explaining, still pretty far fetched being what the Jem'Hadar did to their homeworld and the fact Jem'Hadar preach loyalty & victory... and been betrayed... so this "alliance" with whatever faction still wouldn't go for it... but whatever.
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Kinda like the Dominion allying with them when the Cardassians tried to destroy their homeworld maybe? Or if you would prefer real world examples (US and Japan, Germany and the rest of Europe, etc.).
Also, in many respects Jem'Hadar almost 'dont count' in terms of being life forms. They're bred the same way you might breed a pack of dogs, just these dogs fly ships and fight for you. They'll fight for whoever they're programmed or ordered to fight for.
Its been stated, by the Jem'Hadar themselves, that many species - including their Vorta 'handlers' - greatly misunderstand & underestimate the Jem'Hadar. They fight for their gods (Founders), and are capable of independant action, even mutiny, but they're not mindless drones. If anything, they epitomise professional soldiery. They serve their country (Dominion/Founders), not their politicians (Vorta). Sure, they are genetically engineered to obey the Founders (and bound to them by White), but at the end of the day, it's their dedication to duty that keeps them at the Founders' side.
Well if you remember in DS9 the Dominion created Alpha Quadrant Jem' Hadar to combat the Alpha Quadrant threats. They stayed back and well the True Way doesnt like the federation and the Alpha Jem' hadar are bitter about their defeat too. Kind of makes sense but it is a long shot too given how DS9 ended.
Ah thanks for explaining, still pretty far fetched being what the Jem'Hadar did to their homeworld and the fact Jem'Hadar preach loyalty & victory... and been betrayed... so this "alliance" with whatever faction still wouldn't go for it... but whatever.
WEAK!!!
The True Light group is also said to be extremist. So taking the view point of the enemy of my enemy is my friend might be why they would have such an apparent alliance. With both groups keeping a wary eye on the other. Right now the Federation is the strongest force in that area of the universe, so it would make sense for the lesser factions to join forces against the foe they couldn't stand alone against.
That, and who knows, it could be some manipulation by the Undine too.
The True Light group is also said to be extremist. So taking the view point of the enemy of my enemy is my friend might be why they would have such an apparent alliance. With both groups keeping a wary eye on the other. Right now the Federation is the strongest force in that area of the universe, so it would make sense for the lesser factions to join forces against the foe they couldn't stand alone against.
That, and who knows, it could be some manipulation by the Undine too.
The True Light group is also said to be extremist. So taking the view point of the enemy of my enemy is my friend might be why they would have such an apparent alliance. With both groups keeping a wary eye on the other. Right now the Federation is the strongest force in that area of the universe, so it would make sense for the lesser factions to join forces against the foe they couldn't stand alone against.
That, and who knows, it could be some manipulation by the Undine too.
Idunno, some arguments make some sense in the Cardassians trying to get strong or a faction of them, but wouldn't you ally with ones that didn't try to make you go extinct? There is many other Alpha quadrant potential allies like the Breen.
I would also argue a small minority of Jem'Hadar ever break ranks, they have safe guards in place to make such things rare such as genetic coding to worship their changeling gods, the order of things and addictive dependency on a drug which also will kill them if they go too long without. Yes there is the one episode where a single JH soldier was freed from it and started to think rationally but it also showed that was practically unique. Never to get large enough in numbers to be a threat to any real power like the Federation or Klingon.
Anyhoo, this is not a rant or anything just a discussion on why I think there should have been a different ally... besides there still can be a few hopping over from the gamma quadrant with their own agenda, the few you encounter inside the worm hole and then a good potential to really face them in an expansion that we can use that work hole to explore there... and them to invade...
Cardassia post Dominion war is kinda like....fallen USSR, an True Way would be like ultranationalists. Mission threads along this the True way storypath do reveal some reasons why it makes sense for JemHadar to be working with the cardies again, tho i won't spoil it for those who havent done it yet.
IN many captain missions we see them one again allied together, I may have missed some sort of back story here but I just can't see how that could happen?
For those that do not know in the end the Cardassians rebelled causing the Jem'Hadar to start genocide on the general population. Millions were killed, entire cities were turned to rubble... so how could they possibly reforge any alliance?
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But i agree
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Hypocrisy appears to be the one trait common to all sentient life in Star Trek.
Kinda like the Dominion allying with them when the Cardassians tried to destroy their homeworld maybe? Or if you would prefer real world examples (US and Japan, Germany and the rest of Europe, etc.).
Most important, it's just science fiction.
Its been stated, by the Jem'Hadar themselves, that many species - including their Vorta 'handlers' - greatly misunderstand & underestimate the Jem'Hadar. They fight for their gods (Founders), and are capable of independant action, even mutiny, but they're not mindless drones. If anything, they epitomise professional soldiery. They serve their country (Dominion/Founders), not their politicians (Vorta). Sure, they are genetically engineered to obey the Founders (and bound to them by White), but at the end of the day, it's their dedication to duty that keeps them at the Founders' side.
The True Light group is also said to be extremist. So taking the view point of the enemy of my enemy is my friend might be why they would have such an apparent alliance. With both groups keeping a wary eye on the other. Right now the Federation is the strongest force in that area of the universe, so it would make sense for the lesser factions to join forces against the foe they couldn't stand alone against.
That, and who knows, it could be some manipulation by the Undine too.
This about sums it up.
Idunno, some arguments make some sense in the Cardassians trying to get strong or a faction of them, but wouldn't you ally with ones that didn't try to make you go extinct? There is many other Alpha quadrant potential allies like the Breen.
I would also argue a small minority of Jem'Hadar ever break ranks, they have safe guards in place to make such things rare such as genetic coding to worship their changeling gods, the order of things and addictive dependency on a drug which also will kill them if they go too long without. Yes there is the one episode where a single JH soldier was freed from it and started to think rationally but it also showed that was practically unique. Never to get large enough in numbers to be a threat to any real power like the Federation or Klingon.
Anyhoo, this is not a rant or anything just a discussion on why I think there should have been a different ally... besides there still can be a few hopping over from the gamma quadrant with their own agenda, the few you encounter inside the worm hole and then a good potential to really face them in an expansion that we can use that work hole to explore there... and them to invade...
They are the Al Quaeda and Taliban of STO.