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They shouldnt we be able to transwarp to any given system, at least within Fed space? The cooldown could still apply, but just sayin :o
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They shouldnt we be able to transwarp to any given system, at least within Fed space? The cooldown could still apply, but just sayin :o


    If that were ingame you know the klinks would cry hax.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    lenzio wrote: »
    If that were ingame you know the klinks would cry hax.

    Well they actually have Transwarp too. You can transwarp back to Qo'nos from anywhere on the map, so theoretically speaking, they should be able to transwarp anywhere in Klingon space too :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't agree with the transwarp to anywhere idea, but it would be nice to transwarp between major hubs like K7, DS9, 39 Sierra, etc
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes but then Feds should have cloaks and there should be Fed Romulans and Cardies too (Aliens don't count, shut up!)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well the item ignores the story. It's just there for gameplay purposes. Transwarp seems to require a hub on each side. I don't think they've really made ships that can pull it off safely yet (ignoring the STO Hearthstone).

    Also they've only set it up for a limited amount of systems.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well the item ignores the story. It's just there for gameplay purposes. Transwarp seems to require a hub on each side. I don't think they've really made ships that can pull it off safely yet (ignoring the STO Hearthstone).

    Also they've only set it up for a limited amount of systems.

    How were the Borg transwarping to the Alpha quadrant in First Contact? Did they have a hub there?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Transwarp requires a destination reflector. You can leave from any place, but can only go to select places that have the complex and difficult to operate reflector.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    There were two types of transwarp shown in Voyager, one needed hubs and was ridiculously fast, the other could be used anywhere but was somewhat slower.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    How were the Borg transwarping to the Alpha quadrant in First Contact? Did they have a hub there?

    Do we know they transwarped? If that were the case, why didn't they just transwarp through the same conduit that helpfully dumped Voyager right to Earth?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    How were the Borg transwarping to the Alpha quadrant in First Contact? Did they have a hub there?

    Possibly. Borg tech is not well understood, and their penetration into the Alpha quadrant may have been more extensive that first believed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    How were the Borg transwarping to the Alpha quadrant in First Contact? Did they have a hub there?

    They weren't using transwarp in First Contact.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They weren't using transwarp in First Contact.

    They could have been, as it would explain their sudden appearance.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They weren't using transwarp in First Contact.

    If they werent, then it took them 80 years(cant remember what Voyager said) to get there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If they werent, then it took them 80 years(cant remember what Voyager said) to get there.

    Not necessarily. Remember, the Borg were visiting the Alpha and Beta quadrants before the Enterprise even encountered the Borg thanks to Q. They might have been able to construct a cube somewhere close by.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AGSHender wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Remember, the Borg were visiting the Alpha and Beta quadrants before the Enterprise even encountered the Borg thanks to Q. They might have been able to construct a cube somewhere close by.

    The question is, how were they visting? Did they fly for 70/80 years to the alpha quadrant or transwarp?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The question is, how were they visting? Did they fly for 70/80 years to the alpha quadrant or transwarp?

    I don't know. That's one of the mysteries of First Contact, I suppose. I know they were assimilating outposts along the neutral zone from both the Federation and Romulans before the Borg were shown on screen, though, so anything's possible. It took a few hours to create a proto-hive on the Enterprise-E, how long would it take to construct a cube?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Transwarp seems like a recent thing for the Borg, the earliest use was in season 7 of TNG but they didn't seem to really make constant use of it until Voyager.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AGSHender wrote: »
    I don't know. That's one of the mysteries of First Contact, I suppose. I know they were assimilating outposts along the neutral zone from both the Federation and Romulans before the Borg were shown on screen, though, so anything's possible. It took a few hours to create a proto-hive on the Enterprise-E, how long would it take to construct a cube?

    If it werent for the fact that the cube in FC was carrying the Queen, that may have been true. However, as far as my understanding(and memory-alpha.org) goes, there is only one queen at a time. So that would mean that the queen in FC was THE queen at that moment, and she had to get from the Delta Quadrant to the alpha Quadrant somehow.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well technically they made a Queen in First Contact, nothing says she was *always* there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well technically they made a Queen in First Contact, nothing says she was *always* there.

    Are you talking about the beginning of ANY queen, or just the one in FC? The existance of A queen was discovered by 7 of 9's parents before they were assimilated, so that predated FC by decades. However, if you are talking about the exstence of just the once in FC, as I mentioned earlier there is only one at a time, so the one in FC was the only Borg queen that existed at that time, meaning she had to have come from the Delta Quadrant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If it werent for the fact that the cube in FC was carrying the Queen, that may have been true. However, as far as my understanding(and memory-alpha.org) goes, there is only one queen at a time. So that would mean that the queen in FC was THE queen at that moment, and she had to get from the Delta Quadrant to the alpha Quadrant somehow.

    But is the Borg Queen a distinct individual? Or merely a personality with a body? When the Borg Queen dies, how is a new one chosen? Does she get "Cylon-ized" and wake up in a new drone? It's conceivable that the Borg in the alpha/beta quadrant were in periodic contact with the Borg in the delta quadrant, and if Voyager could transmit data via the Hirogen network, makes sense that a Borg Queen "personality" could be transmitted, too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Are you talking about the beginning of ANY queen, or just the one in FC? The existance of A queen was discovered by 7 of 9's parents before they were assimilated, so that predated FC by decades. However, if you are talking about the exstence of just the once in FC, as I mentioned earlier there is only one at a time, so the one in FC was the only Borg queen that existed at that time, meaning she had to have come from the Delta Quadrant.

    I mean specifically that one on the Enterprise in the past, not all Queens ever.
    I never read anything about there only being one Queen but for a race that so loves redundancy as the Borg for them not to have multiple Queens (on standby at least) seems odd.
    It's entirely possible the cube had no Queen, and one was made or activated when the sphere went into the past and it was cut off from the collective.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AGSHender wrote: »
    But is the Borg Queen a distinct individual? Or merely a personality with a body? When the Borg Queen dies, how is a new one chosen? Does she get "Cylon-ized" and wake up in a new drone? It's conceivable that the Borg in the alpha/beta quadrant were in periodic contact with the Borg in the delta quadrant, and if Voyager could transmit data via the Hirogen network, makes sense that a Borg Queen "personality" could be transmitted, too.

    Apparently all Borg Queens are members of the same species(125, according to Voyager), and when one dies another is made. The low number suggests close proximity to the Delta quadrant. So even if the Queen's consiousness could be transmitted, it would have been unlikely that there would have been a species 125 female in the alpha quadrant. Heres the article if your interested:

    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borg_queen
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You know, this whole conversation has made me cringe that I'm debating Star Trek lore for the first time in a long time in a forum for a Star Trek MMO, and I happen to be watching a rerun of TNG right now.

    /cries
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Apparently all Borg Queens are members of the same species(125, according to Voyager), and when one dies another is made. The low number suggests close proximity to the Delta quadrant. So even if the Queen's consiousness could be transmitted, it would have been unlikely that there would have been a species 125 female in the alpha quadrant. Heres the article if your interested:

    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borg_queen

    Well, look at it objectively, excluding fan speculation. The introduction of the Borg Queen was in First Contact, so wherever that cube came from, the Queen was on it. We then saw two different Queens in Voyager (if you consider two different actresses as different Queens...dunno if they were meant to be the same one), so if you figure the Queen killed in First Contact had no way to tell the collective she'd died since it was in the past and in a far distant reach of the galaxy, you have to assume that either A) there are multiple Queens at any given time or B) there's some other way of Queens being "activated."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AGSHender wrote: »
    Well, look at it objectively, excluding fan speculation. The introduction of the Borg Queen was in First Contact, so wherever that cube came from, the Queen was on it. We then saw two different Queens in Voyager (if you consider two different actresses as different Queens...dunno if they were meant to be the same one), so if you figure the Queen killed in First Contact had no way to tell the collective she'd died since it was in the past and in a far distant reach of the galaxy, you have to assume that either A) there are multiple Queens at any given time or B) there's some other way of Queens being "activated."

    Another interesting fact from FC was that Picard said he remembered the Queen from when he had been Locutus. So apparently she had been on the Cube that assimilated him(and was later destroyed, meaning a new one had to have been made since then). As far as the queen being killed in the past, the only logic I can think of(if you want to call any of this logic) is that when the queen went back in time, the Borg in the original timeline(that was later restored) lost contact with her and created a new one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Another interesting fact from FC was that Picard said he remembered the Queen from when he had been Locutus. So apparently she had been on the Cube that assimilated him(and was later destroyed, meaning a new one had to have been made since then). As far as the queen being killed in the past, the only logic I can think of(if you want to call any of this logic) is that when the queen went back in time, the Borg in the original timeline(that was later restored) lost contact with her and created a new one.

    I always interpreted that not that she'd physically been there, but her consciousness had been in the collective. I stand by my hypothesis that the Queen can be transmitted into different drones as the need arises. Then again, Star Trek is notorious for retcons, so we may never know.

    Whoa...big Dollhouse, though.
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