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Saurian Bridge Officers, 1.5 Million Credist? -DO NOT BE FOOLED PEOPLE-

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First off, do not be fooled everyone. The only reason that Saurians are the only BO's with Efficiency is because Cryptic hasn't fixed this issue yet. You would be paying an outrageous price on these BO's when you will most likely eventually get one as a Bridge Officer Request Mission anyway. As well, when it is fixed, these prices will drop drastically as more than just Saurians will have this Trait as well as other Traits.

On these issue, please refer to my reports on them:

On Market Hijackers:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2050469&postcount=479

On BO's not giving proper Power Level bonuses:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2050929&postcount=480

Proving these BO's do indeed give Stat Bonuses to you, just not adequate Power Level bonuses:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2050642&postcount=7


To all you naysayers...

The problem here is the supply and demand are being skewed because of A BUG in the system where ONLY ONE BO is getting this trait. This is an EXPLOIT of a BUG using the Exchange System to profit from it..

Please read my post in its entirety. Thank you.


Anyways, on to my little rant....

This is getting out of control and is insane. Some players (or should I say, some "player") is pricing their Saurian Bridge Officer Candidates with Efficiency upwards of 1 million and even 2 million credits for them on the Exchange. Seriously? Really? I mean.. REALLY?


Cryptic, please put in a way for us to tell just exactly who is selling any given item on the Exchange before we buy so we can boycott these ridiculous people who are so obviously greedy, buying up any Saurian BO's that people place for reasonable prices and then re-list them at ridiculous prices. As well, so we can watch out for the Credit Spammers who are skewing with our Market!

Earlier, I was about to buy one of these Saurians for a much cheaper listed price, I cannot recall exactly how much it was, but it was around 100,000. Before I could buy it, it disappeared from the list, so I searched again to find it now re-listed at 1,500,000 million credits along with 5 more just like it for the same price.

People, I beg you. Do not pay these prices these greedy re-sellers are trying to make you pay by driving the market price up. I paid a total of around 100k total for my first three Saurians with Efficiency. Ask around in Chat for someone selling one at a reasonable price. Do not fall for the market hijackers. They are only UNCOMMON bridge officers.


Cryptic, please fix this issue where only Saurians are getting the Efficiency Trait, as well fix it so the other Space Traits also spawn on all types of Bridge Officers. By not fixing this, you are severely ruining the economy for these Bridge Officers and providing a greedy revenue for these people. I would also not be surprised if it is the Credit Spammers buying and reselling these BOs to fund their illicit practices.


Thank you for your time.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My Bridge Officers would also like to know why people are slave trading them for such a high price.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As far as i can tell the Efficency trait isn't even working the way it should be - even as a selected trait on my captain it doesn't add anything at all to my ships total scores ( tested with 2 characters 1 with the trait the other without ). Bug reported it to no avail though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As far as i can tell the Efficency trait isn't even working the way it should be - even as a selected trait on my captain it doesn't add anything at all to my ships total scores ( tested with 2 characters 1 with the trait the other without ). Bug reported it to no avail though.

    It is working, for me anyway from what I can tell. From my understanding, you need to first have at least 1 point in any of the teir 3 ship efficiency skills and as well as be rank of Captain or Commander.

    I have quite a nice bonus from my 4 stationed BOs with Efficiency as well as 9 points spent in all 4 of the Ship Efficiency Skills.

    I've been trying to help my friends obtain some of these, but these market hijackers are relentless and seem to never sleep, like me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Grabbing some screens to prove that they are indeed working. Give me about 15 minutes and check back.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As far as i can tell the Efficency trait isn't even working the way it should be - even as a selected trait on my captain it doesn't add anything at all to my ships total scores ( tested with 2 characters 1 with the trait the other without ). Bug reported it to no avail though.

    same here, hope we get the fix b4 the new raid content
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Okay, here are the screenshots proving that they do indeed work

    Here are my skills in the Ship Efficiency skills: Link

    Here is what my stats are at without any BO's stationed: Link
    Here is to show none are stationed: Link

    Here is a screen showing all four stationed: Link
    And here is what my stats are at after they are all stationed: Link
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    but, how many extra power is it in-space? I'd rather not sacrifice my telepath squad of betazoids that insta-exposes everything they touch for +2 power setting across the board.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saurians with Efficient aren't very common. Hence "uncommon" label.

    Been trying to find them on the AH but it's always pricey. But the price is worth it for a huge boost.

    Your other only option is if you don't want to buy them for the listed price is to reroll alts and farm them.

    OR if you want at least 1. Go buy an amazon preorder for the borg bonus!


    Those are your options for getting them.

    I'm trying to find more for my other missing crew slots.

    And yes, they do stack and they do WORK. Not bugged. I paid 700,000 for one of mine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Lotti wrote:
    but, how many extra power is it in-space? I'd rather not sacrifice my telepath squad of betazoids that insta-exposes everything they touch for +2 power setting across the board.


    If i had all 4 boffs with efficient - I'd make them all Space Boffs.

    And have a separate team for Ground.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Lotti wrote:
    but, how many extra power is it in-space? I'd rather not sacrifice my telepath squad of betazoids that insta-exposes everything they touch for +2 power setting across the board.

    Unfortunately, that is all I am getting across the board. However, I prefer it for every little bit helps. This probably does need to be looked into, to make sure they are giving the correct amount of power points. +1 seems drastically low for 4 efficiency stationed BO's.

    Update, it's actually only a +1.0 to power levels= with all four. This needs addressed, I didn't realise it was so drastically low. That would mean each one is only giving me a +0.25.... which is insanely low.

    Please address this and fix this to make them worth-while.

    Thank you for your time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BorgEmpire wrote:
    If i had all 4 boffs with efficient - I'd make them all Space Boffs.

    And have a separate team for Ground.


    That is exactly what I did, save for my lead engineer. She is skilled in both ground and space. Eventually I'll get another Tactical ground BO so I don't need to take my space one with me also.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    On these issue, please refer to my reports on them:

    On Market Hijackers:
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2050469&postcount=479

    On BO's not giving proper Power Level bonuses:
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2050929&postcount=480
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Capitalism.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    lol OP sure likes to whine. wahhh! too expensive! wahh bonus too small!

    If you don't like it, don't buy it, simple as that.

    As this is the only functional space trait you can get on a bridge officer, I see it was well worthwhile. I have a full set of them (2 of each type) on my main and the bonuses stack up nicely regardless of ship choice. Yes, I paid as much as 690k for one but hey, what else are energy credits good for, I already have over 10 million between my characters just sitting there. Maybe I should run for Grand Nagus.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rollio wrote: »
    lol OP sure likes to whine. wahhh! too expensive! wahh bonus too small!

    If you don't like it, don't buy it, simple as that.

    As this is the only functional space trait you can get on a bridge officer, I see it was well worthwhile. I have a full set of them (2 of each type) on my main and the bonuses stack up nicely regardless of ship choice. Yes, I paid as much as 690k for one but hey, what else are energy credits good for, I already have over 10 million between my characters just sitting there. Maybe I should run for Grand Nagus.

    agreed. I have so much energy credits. after a while, you realize there's not much to buy with the credits, you get the best equipment and then its you buy the boffs to customize/train your current one. that's it.

    you might as well spend it on a worth while skill trait like efficient that is more permanent. in the end it is something you dont replace. unlike gear as you level up you replace it.

    buying a boff with space efficient trait as you level your entire career. it makes the money well spent!

    like buying a borg bonus preorder from amazon. its something u keep forever!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Unfortunately, that is all I am getting across the board. However, I prefer it for every little bit helps. This probably does need to be looked into, to make sure they are giving the correct amount of power points. +1 seems drastically low for 4 efficiency stationed BO's.

    Update, it's actually only a +1.0 to power levels= with all four. This needs addressed, I didn't realise it was so drastically low. That would mean each one is only giving me a +0.25.... which is insanely low.

    Please address this and fix this to make them worth-while.

    Thank you for your time.

    At what power setting are you getting an extra +1? Efficiency gives you more extra power the lower your preset is.

    (Personally, at least until it gets a little bit easier to find Efficient BO's, I kind of like that they don't have a huge effect. If it did, everyone would have to run all Efficient BO's in their space slots to keep up.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No all you naysayers...


    The problem here is the supply and demand are being skewed because of A BUG in the system where ONLY ONE BO is getting this trait. This is an EXPLOIT of a BUG using the Exchange System to profit from it..

    Please read my post in its entirety. Thank you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kaigen42 wrote: »
    At what power setting are you getting an extra +1? Efficiency gives you more extra power the lower your preset is.

    (Personally, at least until it gets a little bit easier to find Efficient BO's, I kind of like that they don't have a huge effect. If it did, everyone would have to run all Efficient BO's in their space slots to keep up.)

    I tried it at balanced, 50 all across the boards as well as different ranging power settings ranging from a minimum to maximum. The result was the same, a piddly +1 across the board.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No all you naysayers...


    The problem here is the supply and demand are being skewed because of A BUG in the system where ONLY ONE BO is getting this trait. This is an EXPLOIT of a BUG using the Exchange System to profit from it..

    Please read my post in its entirety. Thank you.

    How do you know its a BUG? Any developer saying its a bug?

    What makes it a bug?

    How is buying low and relisting for high considered exploiting when that's the nature of what an access exchange is for.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BorgEmpire wrote:
    How do you know its a BUG? Any developer saying its a bug?

    What makes it a bug?


    How do you know it is not?:rolleyes:
    How is buying low and relisting for high considered exploiting when that's the nature of what an access exchange is for.

    When it deals with something that is an Obvious Bug (why on earth would only Saurians get this trait when any race can choose it at character creation???), then it is an Exploit of the Bug to gain a financial advantage. Simple. I am guessing you might be one of these Exploiters, no? You're quite defensive of this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What makes it a bug?

    Is it breaking the game? Anything broken right now?

    Is it functional? Working as intended.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    On these issue, please refer to my reports on them:
    On BO's not giving proper Power Level bonuses:
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2050929&postcount=480

    Working as intented. Efficiency is just like warp core yet requires around 2 times as many skill points effecting it for the same bonus. If you set your power to 50 you will get only about 6-9 power with warp core, warp theorist, efficiency maxed, efficient, and 5 bridge officers with efficient. You will get alot more at 25 power setting but still 5 bridge officers is only 25 points it takes 28 in warp core to get 7 power at that level 1 point for every 4 points and efficient is about half as effective as warp core so even at 25 setting those 5 officer are only gonna give you around 3.1 more power putting you at 44ish power range with all maxed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BorgEmpire wrote:
    What makes it a bug?

    Is it breaking the game? Anything broken right now?

    Is it functional? Working as intended.


    You're now making no sense if you look at the big picture and only making me think you are one of these exploiters. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    How do you know it is not?:rolleyes:



    When it deals with something that is an Obvious Bug (why on earth would only Saurians get this trait when any race can choose it at character creation???), then it is an Exploit of the Bug to gain a financial advantage. Simple. I am guessing you might be one of these Exploiters, no? You're quite defensive of this.

    actually the efficient trait is NOT available to any race. try making trill and joined trill and see if efficient is available.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BorgEmpire wrote:
    actually the efficient trait is NOT available to any race. try making trill and joined trill and see if efficient is available.

    That still does not prove your "point." Okay, so only Joined-Trill BO's should not get this Trait. Oh wait, can't get a Joined Trill BO.. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You're now making no sense if you look at the big picture and only making me think you are one of these exploiters. :rolleyes:

    well- i support buying and reselling. period. i like to browse ah for deals and relist. i
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    That still does not prove your "point." Okay, so only Joined-Trill BO's should not get this Trait. Oh wait, can't get a Joined Trill BO.. :rolleyes:

    I can understand why they won't give joined trill bridge officers as it would probly be worse the the efficient trait ones for demand specially for science ships a 6.7 bonus times 5 to all science skill plus 3.3 to all other ship skills from each one also.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    fluhi wrote: »
    Working as intented. Efficiency is just like warp core yet requires around 2 times as many skill points effecting it for the same bonus. If you set your power to 50 you will get only about 6-9 power with warp core, warp theorist, efficiency maxed, efficient, and 5 bridge officers with efficient. You will get alot more at 25 power setting but still 5 bridge officers is only 25 points it takes 28 in warp core to get 7 power at that level 1 point for every 4 points and efficient is about half as effective as warp core so even at 25 setting those 5 officer are only gonna give you around 3.1 more power putting you at 44ish power range with all maxed.


    Okay, I did some more testing.

    Power Settings, Tried each of them in this same manner with same results.
    No BOs: 49/25
    +1 Tact: 50/25
    +1 Engineer: 51/25
    +1 Engineer: 52/25
    +1 Science: 52/25
    Total: +3

    No BOs: 66/50
    +1 Tact: 66/50
    +1 Engineer: 67/50
    +1 Engineer: 67/50
    +1 Science: 67/50
    Total: +1

    No BOs: 83/75
    +1 Tact: 83/75
    +1 Engineer: 83/75
    +1 Engineer: 83/75
    +1 Science: 83/75
    Total: +0

    No BOs: 108/100
    +1 Tact: 108/100
    +1 Engineer: 108/100
    +1 Engineer: 108/100
    +1 Science: 108/100
    Total: +0

    This doesn't make much sense at all to me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Okay, I did some more testing.

    Power Settings, Tried each of them in this same manner with same results.
    No BOs: 49/25
    +1 Tact: 50/25
    +1 Engineer: 51/25
    +1 Engineer: 52/25
    +1 Science: 52/25
    Total: +3

    This doesn't make much sense at all to me.

    That is the amount i said you would get 3. What ship you using and are you using engines with +5 bonus to aux/weapon/shield? Any points in Performance skill boxes as these boost power also.

    at 25 you should get 7 power from the warp core and warp theorist, another 7-8 from efficiency skill boxes and around 3 more for your bridge officers. Now this doesn't count rounding either as you can't see the decimal point of power.this should give you around 42-43 power if you have performance of which ever power setting your looking at that can possibly increase it another 9-10 power if it is maxed giving you your 52ish power a 5th BO could possibly push you over the rounding of 52.3 or so to be 52.8 and round to 53 or so.

    The efficient skills are ment to bring low power settings to a higher power and it scales to where you get less the higher you set it to where you get almost no bonus above 60 power.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    fluhi wrote: »
    That is the amount i said you would get 3. What ship you using and are you using engines with +5 bonus to aux/weapon/shield? Any points in Performance skill boxes as these boost power also.

    at 25 you should get 7 power from the warp core and warp theorist, another 7-8 from efficiency skill boxes and around 3 more for your bridge officers. Now this doesn't count rounding either as you can't see the decimal point of power.this should give you around 42-43 power if you have performance of which ever power setting your looking at that can possibly increase it another 9-10 power if it is maxed giving you your 52ish power a 5th BO could possibly push you over the rounding of 52.3 or so to be 52.8 and round to 53 or so.

    Thank you for this information, indeed. The numbers behind this all are making sense now.

    However, I do not agree that there should be a penalty the higher your setting is. The space traits should give a flat bonus no matter what, in my opinion. Whether this is working as intended or not, has yet to be truly known, for Cryptic seems to never give us an answer or have any official documentation on this anywhere to be found.

    I beg you Cryptic, get some people together and detail stuff like this so we know whether or not it is working as intended or not so we are not confused and as a result, frustrated.

    Thank you for your time.
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