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Microtransactions for Respecs: Confirmed

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From the SyFy.com interview. At least there will be some kind if mechanism in-game for getting something so basic and fundamental:

CZ: Definitely respec is on the way. We're working on getting that in, making sure that gets out in the next month or two. It is something we definitely want in the game. It'll always be available with microtransactions, but more importantly you will be able to earn the ability to respec your character ingame. So, definitely it's coming. One hundred percent.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    That's somewhat disappointing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    not surprising, as they have the same with CO. Though there for awhile it was being handed out for free like candy as well
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    "Good night everybody!" - Animaniacs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Phobos64 wrote:
    That's somewhat disappointing.

    no offense, but thats naieve.
    You were expecting free respecs? What game does that?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    no offense, but thats naieve.
    You were expecting free respecs? What game does that?


    World of Warcraft.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Free respecc? No!

    But respeccs for real money? Hell, no!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    no offense, but thats naieve.
    You were expecting free respecs? What game does that?

    SWG gave me 2 free respecs when NGE hit, and after that you with in game credits.
    WOW- 1000g dual spec, and 80g to change I believe.

    those are two off the top of my head.


    I'm not shelling RL money for something that should be an in game mechanic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zinc mentioned that you could earn the respecs in-game, but that they would always be available in the C-Store.

    I'm picturing something similar to how respecs were available in EverQuest 2. That seems amply enough for me. I don't understand why you guys are making such a big deal about it. Just how many respects do you need to do?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Agreed. When you take this into account and also consider the ****-poor skill system people will be respeccing A LOT. That's a lot of real money down the drain in a subscription based game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thamelas wrote:
    World of Warcraft.

    They changed things then? last I knew it cost gold to do that
    jakfoxx wrote:
    SWG gave me 2 free respecs when NGE hit, and after that you with in game credits.
    WOW- 1000g dual spec, and 80g to change I believe.

    those are two off the top of my head.


    I'm not shelling RL money for something that should be an in game mechanic.

    right... they give you two free respecs after they flush their own game down the toilet and the subs ropd like a rock... thats a huge surprise there
    CZ: Definitely respec is on the way. We're working on getting that in, making sure that gets out in the next month or two. It is something we definitely want in the game. It'll always be available with microtransactions, but more importantly you will be able to earn the ability to respec your character ingame. So, definitely it's coming. One hundred percent.

    Bolded and underlined for easier reading for those who are having a hard time with it
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Respec will be avaible ingame. He said in the quoted article.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes, as Thamelas mentioned, the 800lb gorilla in the room uses respecs as a way to bring currency out of the in-game economy. No RMT is needed for respeccing.

    Frankly, with such an obtuse mechanism in place for explaining skills, an RMT respec is pretty poor customer service. Hopefully this launches alongside a revamped explanation of skills and a free first respec.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    no offense, but thats naieve.
    You were expecting free respecs? What game does that?

    City of Heroes!

    They give them out as veteran rewards, there are respec trials you can run and they have recipes for respecs as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Respec will be avaible ingame. He said in the quoted article.

    And you believe him?! At this point common sense dictates that if CZ's mouth is moving he is lying.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thamelas wrote:
    And you believe him?! At this point common sense dictates that if CZ's mouth is moving he is lying.

    By that logic they wont be available for real money either and this whole argument is now moot. Move along.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thamelas wrote:
    And you believe him?! At this point common sense dictates that if CZ's mouth is moving he is lying.

    To be honest wether i belive in him or not isn't relevant. I'd rather wait and see what comes into place before i criticize.

    But yes, he did said it, and if that isn't the case, then this community will come down on him like a holy smithing hammer :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Respec will be avaible ingame. He said in the quoted article.

    ^This.

    Do people read more than just titles?

    It will be available as a micro-transaction and in-game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thamelas wrote:
    And you believe him?! At this point common sense dictates that if CZ's mouth is moving he is lying.

    But you believe the micro-transaction one, right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    By that logic they wont be available for real money either and this whole argument is now moot. Move along.

    I do believe he said they would be in the C-Store with runs of Cryptic point which are acquired through the spending of REAL currency. With limited character slots and a skill cap, I'm gonna have to call BS on them if the only way to do it is with hard money. And "available in game" doesn't mean anything. The C-Store is available in game so by that same logic just putting them in the store is making them "available in game".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Goodwind wrote:
    ^This.

    Do people read more than just titles?

    It will be available as a micro-transaction and in-game.

    Indeed not, as a matter of fact the majority of people read everything. But, the thing is that most people that post here only do so to complain about something, wether it was warranted or not. If you read and understood what he said, than it's all fine, no need to post :p

    But if you read and misunderstood his words, then off to the forums!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Without more information on how you earn a respec without actually buying one, it's hard to make a call.

    Can a player earn more than one respec and just how difficult is it to earn one?

    Should the quest for a respec be akin to something devised by a psychotic cryptic crossword compiler who has just learned his favourite pet gerbil 'Barney' had just been run over by an irrate Star Trek fan; it might be preferable to whip out the old credit card and top up on the old Cryptic Points.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I can understand providing extras as microtransactions. However, respecs are a BASIC and ESSENTIAL part of MMO development. To charge extra for a function that should have been in at launch is VERY bad marketing, and will cost Cryptic DEARLY in the marketing department.

    Very unwise decision, Cryptic. Very, very, unwise.

    Of course, if the respects can be had in game AS WELL as through the store, that is a different story. As long as the basic function is not removed from the game for a quick buck by Cryptic.

    To the OP: Do you have a link to this interview?

    :mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zexks wrote: »
    I do believe he said they would be in the C-Store with runs of Cryptic point which are acquired through the spending of REAL currency. With limited character slots and a skill cap, I'm gonna have to call BS on them if the only way to do it is with hard money. And "available in game" doesn't mean anything. The C-Store is available in game so by that same logic just putting them in the store is making them "available in game".

    Ah, I see, because theirt avaiability in game would be a good thing and you need to rant on anything that could be negative, you are going to ignore it. kk
    In this case, troll thread. Move along.

    Hey be happy they did it at all. Last I saw of Fallen Earth, they didnt have a respec system an the devs were telling ppl "you dont like it? Theres the door" lol
    Well not in those words but still
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's like this.

    I pay for a service: STO. Part of this service is that I can develop a character through a skill based system. I cannot proceed in the game without spending non-refundable skill points on my characters abilities. At present, the game does not do a good job of explaining exactly how that skill system works.

    Assuming I do not just stay at a particular rank by abstaining from spending skill points, as I level up I may find that I do not need or enjoy a particular setup of skills. I may wish to change these skills to better suit my gameplay. I made my decisions on leveling up based upon what little information presented to me in the game.

    To change this set up, even though I already pay a monthly subscription fee to play a game in which I must advance in the skill system to progress, I may then have to pay more money to change the mistakes made due to the poor information regarding skills. That's rediculously unscrupulous at worst and poor customer service at best.

    Yes, there may be a mechanism in game that will allow respecs without a real money transaction. That's fair. As long as a free respec and an exponentially greater level of detail documenting the skill system launch alongside this respec system that I can't complain to much.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    From the SyFy.com interview. At least there will be some kind if mechanism in-game for getting something so basic and fundamental:

    CZ: Definitely respec is on the way. We're working on getting that in, making sure that gets out in the next month or two. It is something we definitely want in the game. It'll always be available with microtransactions, but more importantly you will be able to earn the ability to respec your character ingame. So, definitely it's coming. One hundred percent.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=77517

    here's a post confirming it as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Just a reminder in case you missed my post earlier:

    Respecs will be available in-game sometime after launch for in-game resources. It is still possible we may add the ability to purchase respecs through the C-Store as well. However, respecs in STO will always be earnable in-game.

    Thanks,

    Stormshade

    for the link following impaired
    Now, if youre going to just ignore or disregard the in game part, you might as well leave the conversation now... choosing to ignore the evidence presented doesnt help your argument
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This is the worst trolling thread yet.

    THE INTERVIEW SAYS YOU CAN GET RESPECS IN-GAME.

    or

    You can buy them.

    OR.


    Explain again how this is a bad thing?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Frankly, with such an obtuse mechanism in place for explaining skills, an RMT respec is pretty poor customer service. Hopefully this launches alongside a revamped explanation of skills and a free first respec.

    SO well put. This is a big part of it far as I'm concerned. The skill system is arcane at best and the documentation for this game is a joke. So a free FIRST respec should certainly be part of this deal simply to make up for the aspects I just mentioned.

    I doubt it'll happen though. *shrug*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    for the link following impaired
    Now, if youre going to just ignore or disregard the in game part, you might as well leave the conversation now... choosing to ignore the evidence presented doesnt help your argument

    Cheers for the link, thats exactly how I read it: respecs purchasable in the game AND also as an option in the C-Store.

    Personally, I don't have a problem with this. WoW, AOC and many other MMO's charge in-game currency for respecs. I applaud them for ALSO offering it in the C-store as an additional means to respec.

    However, the fact that its in the C-store makes me curious as to why someone WOULD purchase the option to respec....

    Does this imply that we'll get only a limited number of respecs we can purchase using in-game money and any more will then have to be purchased via the C-Store?

    Or is it merely a case that theres some form of cooldown on the respec, and if you want to respec again within the cooldown you can then purchase one via the C-Store?

    If its the latter, the I haven't got a problem with that at all. Cooldowns are necessary and options to by-pass them in a controlled way are useful.

    Personally, I hope they do the respecs like in WoW: diminishing cost over time if you don't respec again. Otherwise we get into a situation thats in AOC whereby people are being charged a lot because they've respeced a few times. And they will always get charged that amount.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    more importantly you will be able to earn the ability to respec your char acter ingame

    Man... I love how half of your can't read.

    Here I'll make it simple for you... the KEY part is now highlighted in GREEN.
    Thamelas wrote:
    And you believe him?! At this point common sense dictates that if CZ's mouth is moving he is lying.

    Still waiting for this guy to leave. He posted some dribble about the game exploding his computer and how he was never playing again... yet he seems to find plenty of time to troll these forums.
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