I would prefer if Cryptic stayed away from the tired "Raid" idea in the first place. I think the large raids in WoW are its weakness, not a design feature other MMOs should emulate. Cryptic has room within this universe to be very creative and invent a new, more fun endgame that doesn't rely on large scale battles with strangers for meaningless loot.
I would prefer if Cryptic stayed away from the tired "Raid" idea in the first place. I think the large raids in WoW are its weakness, not a design feature other MMOs should emulate. Cryptic has room within this universe to be very creative and invent a new, more fun endgame that doesn't rely on large scale battles with strangers for meaningless loot.
Fleet Actions are more of a "raid", and appropriately named. Sure, it would be cool if they came up with a more trek-like name for high end, high difficulty, missions. Suggestions?
Personally, I agree, that they shouldn't call them raidisodes.
Words have different meanings for different contexts. The word "raid" has now been long established as an MMO term to denote an encounter requiring more than just a number of players whose sum is greater than that normally found in a group in the game. Wow certainly wasnt the first game to use this word in this definition. The term was coined well before it, so people can't blame wow for its use.
But, if Cryptic want to be "rebellious" and break away from established concepts, its their perogative. They just look odd for doing so.
From what I have heard in various interviews, GOZER is apparently responsible for the term "Raidisode".
It kinda hurts my ears a bit, but since I feel that GOZER comes off as a nice guy (who incidentally took days off of woking on STO to play Mass Effect 2 at launch - lol), I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go with the term.
I suppose it would be up to him to come and explain how he came up with the term, but my best guess would be that since the missions in the game are broken into "episodes" and that the new End-Content Borg Stuff absolutely REQUIRES a group of 5 players, that would effectively make it a Raid.
So.. RAID + Episode = Raidisode
So be it. I am looking forward to it. I just saw the Trailer on the French splash page and it looks good. I also know a bit of a spoiler about it, but I won't tell about that... that would ruin the fun. I myself, being on Lt 8 atm, won't be there for some time, but I do hope it works well and is fun for those who are chomping at the bit to get it up and going.
Fleet Actions are more of a "raid", and appropriately named. Sure, it would be cool if they came up with a more trek-like name for high end, high difficulty, missions. Suggestions?
How about Special Operations.
I was going to go for Suicide Mission but I doubt they'd want Fox News saying that they're condoning suicide ha.
Raidisode works better than Epiraid. My definition of raid means greater than a normal sized group. Raids are a huge waste of time in my book, so I don't like the term. No doubt some sales guy came up with the term for obvious reasons.
You say 5 people doesn't equal a raid, well, maybe that ls why they are calling them RAIDISODES and not RAIDS.
And this aint EQ or UO either. So what's your point? You do realise that the term "raid" was established in MMO's well before WoW don't you?
You might as well call them Bernard-isodes for what its worth because Cryptics use of the word does indeed fly in the face of the established definition used in many other games. In short, Cryptic have b-astardised an established term just to create a marketing "buzzword", which to some people makes them look a little silly.
They could have just stuck with calling them "group-centric episodes" and no one would have battered an eyelid.
I suppose it would be up to him to come and explain how he came up with the term, but my best guess would be that since the missions in the game are broken into "episodes" and that the new End-Content Borg Stuff absolutely REQUIRES a group of 5 players, that would effectively make it a Raid.
So.. RAID + Episode = Raidisode
True, especially since I just don't think Dungeon or Dungeonisode would work in STO.:D
Raidisode works better than Epiraid. My definition of raid means greater than a normal sized group. Raids are a huge waste of time in my book, so I don't like the term. No doubt some sales guy came up with the term for obvious reasons.
The more I think about it, I really like Special Operations.
It fits with the military structure of Starfleet
It implies that this is dangerous and very hard to do
It goes along with the fleet concept as there are special ops groups. Your fleet name is just a codename for your spec ops force
It implies that this isn't for the normal (non-player) captain and needs a special touch
It also shows how important to the war the mission is
And this aint EQ or UO either. So what's your point? You do realise that the term "raid" was established in MMO's well before WoW don't you?
You might as well call them Bernard-isodes for what its worth because Cryptics use of the word does indeed fly in the face of the established definition used in many other games. In short, Cryptic have b-astardised an established term just to create a marketing "buzzword", which to some people makes them look a little silly.
They could have just stuck with calling them "group-centric episodes" and no one would have battered an eyelid.
Words have different meanings for different contexts. The word "raid" has now been long established as an MMO term to denote an encounter requiring more than just a number of players whose sum is greater than that normally found in a group in the game.
Well considering there is no group content in the game, (besides fleet actions which is open PVE and PVP), then it's apt.
It's just different vocabulary. In EQ2, content designed for groups of up to six players is called group content, or Heroic content because the mobs are Heroic mobs; Raid content is designed for four groups of six players fighting Raid mobs. In LoTRO Heroic mobs are tagged as Signature mobs and Raid mobs are Elite.
So what if STO calls encounters designed for a group of five players Raids or Raidisodes and uses the term Fleet Action for what other games call Raids.
Cause I remember it taking 80 people to raid in at least one of those games you mentioned.
Like I said, all previous games established that the term "raid" meant an encounter requiring a collection of players larger than the sum you find in what the game determined as a "group" size.
Therefore, anything above the size of 1 group was defined as a raid. No matter whether its 2, 4 or 8 groups connected to together.
The only reason you wouldn't call them Raidisodes is if you're pedantic, and really that's your problem.
There is a difference between being pedantic and being concerned about the b-asterisation of already established terms just so they can create a "buzzword".
if Cryptic renamed phaser rifles and hand held phasers to be just called "lazer guns", would it bother you? Be honest now. You'd probably feel the need to point out the inaccuracy in the use of the term. And why would you want to point that out? Because there has already been established a term which defines the item more accurately.
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How about 5.5, and I throw in a toaster?
i see no numbers
People make their own definition these days haan?
There has to be another way.
I am not sure which dictionary you found what an exact defination of raid was. I was under the impression it was a bug spray.
Words have different meanings for different contexts. The word "raid" has now been long established as an MMO term to denote an encounter requiring more than just a number of players whose sum is greater than that normally found in a group in the game. Wow certainly wasnt the first game to use this word in this definition. The term was coined well before it, so people can't blame wow for its use.
But, if Cryptic want to be "rebellious" and break away from established concepts, its their perogative. They just look odd for doing so.
You say 5 people doesn't equal a raid, well, maybe that ls why they are calling them RAIDISODES and not RAIDS.
It kinda hurts my ears a bit, but since I feel that GOZER comes off as a nice guy (who incidentally took days off of woking on STO to play Mass Effect 2 at launch - lol), I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go with the term.
I suppose it would be up to him to come and explain how he came up with the term, but my best guess would be that since the missions in the game are broken into "episodes" and that the new End-Content Borg Stuff absolutely REQUIRES a group of 5 players, that would effectively make it a Raid.
So.. RAID + Episode = Raidisode
So be it. I am looking forward to it. I just saw the Trailer on the French splash page and it looks good. I also know a bit of a spoiler about it, but I won't tell about that... that would ruin the fun. I myself, being on Lt 8 atm, won't be there for some time, but I do hope it works well and is fun for those who are chomping at the bit to get it up and going.
Cheers!
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How about Special Operations.
I was going to go for Suicide Mission but I doubt they'd want Fox News saying that they're condoning suicide ha.
And this aint EQ or UO either. So what's your point? You do realise that the term "raid" was established in MMO's well before WoW don't you?
You might as well call them Bernard-isodes for what its worth because Cryptics use of the word does indeed fly in the face of the established definition used in many other games. In short, Cryptic have b-astardised an established term just to create a marketing "buzzword", which to some people makes them look a little silly.
They could have just stuck with calling them "group-centric episodes" and no one would have battered an eyelid.
The more I think about it, I really like Special Operations.
Oh that's a nice term for them, and it stays in context too
Yup, Special Ops would be much better. And it's not referring to any established concept in mmo.
Well considering there is no group content in the game, (besides fleet actions which is open PVE and PVP), then it's apt.
Then WoW has no raids.
Cause I remember it taking 80 people to raid in at least one of those games you mentioned.
So what if STO calls encounters designed for a group of five players Raids or Raidisodes and uses the term Fleet Action for what other games call Raids.
OP is vocabulary deficient.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=113780
I like your take.
That was actually the only one that came to mind when I was thinking of other things to call them. SpecOps it is! ... for me anyway.
Maybe Elite Operations? Deadly Ops? Critical Ops?
Like I said, all previous games established that the term "raid" meant an encounter requiring a collection of players larger than the sum you find in what the game determined as a "group" size.
Therefore, anything above the size of 1 group was defined as a raid. No matter whether its 2, 4 or 8 groups connected to together.
There is a difference between being pedantic and being concerned about the b-asterisation of already established terms just so they can create a "buzzword".
if Cryptic renamed phaser rifles and hand held phasers to be just called "lazer guns", would it bother you? Be honest now. You'd probably feel the need to point out the inaccuracy in the use of the term. And why would you want to point that out? Because there has already been established a term which defines the item more accurately.
5 just feels like another mission.