test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

Should Cryptic Stop Calling Them Raidisodes?

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
5 people is NOT a raid. :rolleyes:

Tell me when there's 10 or more. I guess six would technically be a raid but I'll have none of that!
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1

Comments

  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    5 people is NOT a raid. :rolleyes:

    Tell me when there's 10 or more. I guess six would technically be a raid but I'll have none of that!

    How about 5.5, and I throw in a toaster?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    5 people is NOT a raid. :rolleyes:

    Tell me when there's 10 or more. I guess six would technically be a raid but I'll have none of that!

    People make their own definition these days haan?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    5 people is NOT a raid. :rolleyes:

    Tell me when there's 10 or more. I guess six would technically be a raid but I'll have none of that!
    But in WoW Blizz defined raids as 40 and eventually worked their way down to 10. Maybe Cryptic is starting with 5 and working their way up to 50.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would prefer if Cryptic stayed away from the tired "Raid" idea in the first place. I think the large raids in WoW are its weakness, not a design feature other MMOs should emulate. Cryptic has room within this universe to be very creative and invent a new, more fun endgame that doesn't rely on large scale battles with strangers for meaningless loot.

    There has to be another way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Actually the concept of raidisode is closer to the definition of a raid than the garbage WoW has conditioned it's playerbase to consume.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pandajuice wrote: »
    I would prefer if Cryptic stayed away from the tired "Raid" idea in the first place. I think the large raids in WoW are its weakness, not a design feature other MMOs should emulate. Cryptic has room within this universe to be very creative and invent a new, more fun endgame that doesn't rely on large scale battles with strangers for meaningless loot.

    There has to be another way.
    Personally I like this idea.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Fleet Actions are more of a "raid", and appropriately named. Sure, it would be cool if they came up with a more trek-like name for high end, high difficulty, missions. Suggestions?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    5 people is NOT a raid. :rolleyes:

    Tell me when there's 10 or more. I guess six would technically be a raid but I'll have none of that!

    I am not sure which dictionary you found what an exact defination of raid was. I was under the impression it was a bug spray.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Personally, I agree, that they shouldn't call them raidisodes.

    Words have different meanings for different contexts. The word "raid" has now been long established as an MMO term to denote an encounter requiring more than just a number of players whose sum is greater than that normally found in a group in the game. Wow certainly wasnt the first game to use this word in this definition. The term was coined well before it, so people can't blame wow for its use.

    But, if Cryptic want to be "rebellious" and break away from established concepts, its their perogative. They just look odd for doing so.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This isn't WoW.

    You say 5 people doesn't equal a raid, well, maybe that ls why they are calling them RAIDISODES and not RAIDS.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    From what I have heard in various interviews, GOZER is apparently responsible for the term "Raidisode".

    It kinda hurts my ears a bit, but since I feel that GOZER comes off as a nice guy (who incidentally took days off of woking on STO to play Mass Effect 2 at launch - lol), I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go with the term.

    I suppose it would be up to him to come and explain how he came up with the term, but my best guess would be that since the missions in the game are broken into "episodes" and that the new End-Content Borg Stuff absolutely REQUIRES a group of 5 players, that would effectively make it a Raid.

    So.. RAID + Episode = Raidisode

    So be it. I am looking forward to it. I just saw the Trailer on the French splash page and it looks good. I also know a bit of a spoiler about it, but I won't tell about that... that would ruin the fun. I myself, being on Lt 8 atm, won't be there for some time, but I do hope it works well and is fun for those who are chomping at the bit to get it up and going.

    Cheers!
    Knows_Less_Than_He_Pretends_To_Canuck :) ...errr
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    digital3lf wrote: »
    Fleet Actions are more of a "raid", and appropriately named. Sure, it would be cool if they came up with a more trek-like name for high end, high difficulty, missions. Suggestions?

    How about Special Operations.


    I was going to go for Suicide Mission but I doubt they'd want Fox News saying that they're condoning suicide ha.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Raidisode works better than Epiraid. My definition of raid means greater than a normal sized group. Raids are a huge waste of time in my book, so I don't like the term. No doubt some sales guy came up with the term for obvious reasons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Heliotrope wrote: »
    This isn't WoW.

    You say 5 people doesn't equal a raid, well, maybe that ls why they are calling them RAIDISODES and not RAIDS.

    And this aint EQ or UO either. So what's your point? You do realise that the term "raid" was established in MMO's well before WoW don't you?

    You might as well call them Bernard-isodes for what its worth because Cryptics use of the word does indeed fly in the face of the established definition used in many other games. In short, Cryptic have b-astardised an established term just to create a marketing "buzzword", which to some people makes them look a little silly.

    They could have just stuck with calling them "group-centric episodes" and no one would have battered an eyelid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I suppose it would be up to him to come and explain how he came up with the term, but my best guess would be that since the missions in the game are broken into "episodes" and that the new End-Content Borg Stuff absolutely REQUIRES a group of 5 players, that would effectively make it a Raid.

    So.. RAID + Episode = Raidisode
    True, especially since I just don't think Dungeon or Dungeonisode would work in STO.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Qoojo wrote:
    Raidisode works better than Epiraid. My definition of raid means greater than a normal sized group. Raids are a huge waste of time in my book, so I don't like the term. No doubt some sales guy came up with the term for obvious reasons.

    The more I think about it, I really like Special Operations.
    • It fits with the military structure of Starfleet
    • It implies that this is dangerous and very hard to do
    • It goes along with the fleet concept as there are special ops groups. Your fleet name is just a codename for your spec ops force
    • It implies that this isn't for the normal (non-player) captain and needs a special touch
    • It also shows how important to the war the mission is
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Titanten wrote: »
    The more I think about it, I really like Special Operations.
    • It fits with the military structure of Starfleet
    • It implies that this is dangerous and very hard to do
    • It goes along with the fleet concept as there are special ops groups. Your fleet name is just a codename for your spec ops force
    • It implies that this isn't for the normal (non-player) captain and needs a special touch
    • It also shows how important to the war the mission is

    Oh that's a nice term for them, and it stays in context too :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tarka wrote: »
    And this aint EQ or UO either. So what's your point? You do realise that the term "raid" was established in MMO's well before WoW don't you?

    You might as well call them Bernard-isodes for what its worth because Cryptics use of the word does indeed fly in the face of the established definition used in many other games. In short, Cryptic have b-astardised an established term just to create a marketing "buzzword", which to some people makes them look a little silly.

    They could have just stuck with calling them "group-centric episodes" and no one would have battered an eyelid.
    Agreed 100%. And good sig, Sir.
    Titanten wrote: »
    The more I think about it, I really like Special Operations.
    • It fits with the military structure of Starfleet
    • It implies that this is dangerous and very hard to do
    • It goes along with the fleet concept as there are special ops groups. Your fleet name is just a codename for your spec ops force
    • It implies that this isn't for the normal (non-player) captain and needs a special touch
    • It also shows how important to the war the mission is
    Yup, Special Ops would be much better. And it's not referring to any established concept in mmo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Words have different meanings for different contexts. The word "raid" has now been long established as an MMO term to denote an encounter requiring more than just a number of players whose sum is greater than that normally found in a group in the game.

    Well considering there is no group content in the game, (besides fleet actions which is open PVE and PVP), then it's apt.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tarka wrote: »
    And this aint EQ or UO either. So what's your point? You do realise that the term "raid" was established in MMO's well before WoW don't you?

    Then WoW has no raids.

    Cause I remember it taking 80 people to raid in at least one of those games you mentioned.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's just different vocabulary. In EQ2, content designed for groups of up to six players is called group content, or Heroic content because the mobs are Heroic mobs; Raid content is designed for four groups of six players fighting Raid mobs. In LoTRO Heroic mobs are tagged as Signature mobs and Raid mobs are Elite.

    So what if STO calls encounters designed for a group of five players Raids or Raidisodes and uses the term Fleet Action for what other games call Raids.

    OP is vocabulary deficient.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tarka wrote: »
    ....They could have just stuck with calling them "group-centric episodes" and no one would have battered an eyelid.
    But then this thread wouldn't exist and there wouldn't be any player input. I'm not seeing a problem here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I moved my tangent of renaming the raidisodes to a different topic. This thread is turning into a discussion over the meaning of raid haha.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=113780
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    vincire wrote: »
    Actually the concept of raidisode is closer to the definition of a raid than the garbage WoW has conditioned it's playerbase to consume.

    I like your take.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Titanten wrote: »
    The more I think about it, I really like Special Operations.
    • It fits with the military structure of Starfleet
    • It implies that this is dangerous and very hard to do
    • It goes along with the fleet concept as there are special ops groups. Your fleet name is just a codename for your spec ops force
    • It implies that this isn't for the normal (non-player) captain and needs a special touch
    • It also shows how important to the war the mission is
    This is interesting. I don't know my naval terms I'm afraid. What's smaller than a fleet? Special Battlegroup Operations?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The only reason you wouldn't call them Raidisodes is if you're pedantic, and really that's your problem.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Titanten wrote: »
    How about Special Operations.

    That was actually the only one that came to mind when I was thinking of other things to call them. SpecOps it is! ... for me anyway. :D

    Maybe Elite Operations? Deadly Ops? Critical Ops?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    kaashar wrote: »
    Then WoW has no raids.

    Cause I remember it taking 80 people to raid in at least one of those games you mentioned.

    Like I said, all previous games established that the term "raid" meant an encounter requiring a collection of players larger than the sum you find in what the game determined as a "group" size.

    Therefore, anything above the size of 1 group was defined as a raid. No matter whether its 2, 4 or 8 groups connected to together.
    The only reason you wouldn't call them Raidisodes is if you're pedantic, and really that's your problem.

    There is a difference between being pedantic and being concerned about the b-asterisation of already established terms just so they can create a "buzzword".

    if Cryptic renamed phaser rifles and hand held phasers to be just called "lazer guns", would it bother you? Be honest now. You'd probably feel the need to point out the inaccuracy in the use of the term. And why would you want to point that out? Because there has already been established a term which defines the item more accurately.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    5 and 10 man raids would be nice.

    5 just feels like another mission.
Sign In or Register to comment.