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edited February 2010 in Graphical and Sound Issues
My system runs STO decent but I'm trying to get rid of FPS hiccups. I want my NVIDIA drivers to handle Antialiasing instead of in-game settings as suggested in rockntrek's NVIDIA thread.

No matter what I do, STO completely ignores the NVIDIA Antialiasing Setting (yep I have it turned off in STO). In NVIDIA Control Panel I've tried "Enhance the application setting" and "Override any application setting" - no change at all in STO.

I was running the 190.62 drivers. I thought I might need to upgrade as suggested in Xerove's post so I followed the instructions there. I used Driver Sweeper in Safe Mode to wipe 190.62 clean and upgraded to 196.21. Same result - STO still ignores NVIDIA settings.

Do you think this is because I'm still on Win XP 32-bit? Any suggestions?

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm having the same problems!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Try using a nhancer, it's a 3rd party control panel and profile editor that works pretty well with any 3D software together with a nvidia card.

    http://www.nhancer.com/

    Works for some or if not all apps that ignore Nvidia control panel.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Roguehwz wrote:
    Try using a nhancer, it's a 3rd party control panel and profile editor that works pretty well with any 3D software together with a nvidia card.

    http://www.nhancer.com/

    Works for some or if not all apps that ignore Nvidia control panel.

    Thanks but no dice with nHancer. I even manually activated a STO profile and saw no change in AA. Tried restarting STO and creating a new STO profile from scratch... Nada :(

    Anyone know if STO confirmed to ignore driver AA settings?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ok nHancer created problems I NEVER had before. My FPS has dropped below 10. Reducing all graphics to minimum let me actually move... Turning AA on now produces a crash and driver error.

    So far I've tried uninstalling nHancer and cold booting... same problems occur. Great :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Did you follow the installation instruction properly?

    Trying booting up into safe mode Win XP and uninstall all drivers(check add/remove programs as well as the device manager). Reboot for system to re-detect your graphic card and re-install nvidia drivers.

    I see that your monitor is a 30" with 2560x1600 resolution... I don't think a GT260 with 512 meg ram can handle a pretty high setting at that screen resolution.Try low shadow, 4xAA, off bloom and turn off occlusion while setting to "recommended" and then check advanced.

    Oh, you should know WinXP only supports DirectX 9. Hope you did not mess around with DX10 settings...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Roguehwz wrote:
    Did you follow the installation instruction properly?

    Trying booting up into safe mode Win XP and uninstall all drivers(check add/remove programs as well as the device manager). Reboot for system to re-detect your graphic card and re-install nvidia drivers.

    Yes, I installed properly and nHancer was running fine although STO did not recognize it's AA settings. I got STO working again by reloading nHancer back and manually activating the Default Driver profile. My FPS was still lower than before nHancer so I uninstalled it and did a clean install of NVIDIA drivers using Driver Sweeper.
    Roguehwz wrote:
    I see that your monitor is a 30" with 2560x1600 resolution... I don't think a GT260 with 512 meg ram can handle a pretty high setting at that screen resolution.Try low shadow, 4xAA, off bloom and turn off occlusion while setting to "recommended" and then check advanced.

    Oh, you should know WinXP only supports DirectX 9. Hope you did not mess around with DX10 settings...

    That's my desktop resolution not game resolution. And it's a GTX260 with 896 mb ram. I get above 30 FPS at 1920x1200 with some of the advanced graphics options turned down or off.

    Yes I'm aware XP only supports DX 9.0c. I think I caused the problems when I saw the nHancer AA settings had no effect. I tried turning in-game AA on to see if the "Enhance Application Setting" worked. I saw that it still had no effect and adjusted the shadows setting. That's when I had bugged shadows across my screen and FPS decreased to 10. Tried adjusting in-game settings again and FPS went down to 1 with a crash to desktop, etc.

    In any case, thanks. I think I got my performance back to pre-nHancer. Back to the drawing board... :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The AA setting has not only been tarnished for Nvidia cards but also ATI - now (atleast with mine which i quote works perfectly fine with AA on other games) cannot enable AA with out lowering quality of the game which last time i checked that wasnt the purpose of AA...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    GTX 260 ( 196.21 ) - Vista x64
    nHancer set to 4x AA
    Game set to 8x AA

    and THIS is what i get:

    http://s4b.directupload.net/images/100218/rjcgydd4.jpg
    http://s11.directupload.net/images/100218/zzui3uwr.jpg

    it doesn't seem to do AA but if i lower the AA setting in the game it is even getting worse...
    it does SOMETHING... just not what you would expect from Anti Aliasing.

    i dont get any performance hit from it either but 8xAA should be pretty much unplayable
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    HI! You seem to have a few problems now, so here are some steps and information to fix them.

    First: The Nvidia control panel either does not apply AA settings to DirectX many times or OpenGl most of the time. I cannot remember which one, but I am thinking DirectX.

    Second: Go get "Driver Sweeper" from Phyxion.net and remove your current Nvidia graphics drivers and install the newest Beta drivers from Nvidia.

    Third: I have an issue occasionally where my my game's FPS gets seriously borked. Normally I am chugging around at 60 FPS in space, but then all the sudden it will drop down to like 20 max. Go download the Feb2010 DirectX distributable from Microsoft, reinstall it, and restart. After doing this for me, my GPU utilization dropped by 30-40% (Nvidia 260GTX) and my fps went back up to around 60 FPS most of the time.

    Fourth: I have noticed that the ingame AA does work, but it has an issue with some parts ships when zoomed out a fair bit. I have mine set to 8X AA and it gets rid of most all of the jaggies.


    Hope this all helps, It did for me!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    As i stated before its not only Nvidia cards getting AA problems, i have a simular problem, and im 99.9% certain i didnt touch any of my graphical settings before one of there patchs, seeing as i was out at the time it would have proven some what difficult to have done so.

    Its quite strange there not even replying to my support ticket about this issue but decide to reply to tickets placed about things later on, 12 days and no reply lol.

    But i can assure you cryptic before one of the patches not so long ago i could play with max AA settings with no graphical issues, it cleaned up the image not destroyed it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I am gonna try this stuff out hope it works cause i am gettin fps drops down to 5

    running Nvidia 9500gt with a gig of on the card ram
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I had to turn off antialiasing to prevent my video from being choppy as hell. I am running nVidia 196.21 drivers. In the control panel STO is not listed as one of the programs found on my computer but it is in the custom pull down (when I uncheck the box filtering out programs I don't have).


    AMD Phenom II X4 955 (3.2GHz)
    8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM.
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
    Geforce 275 (648Mhz) w/ 896MB RAM (1152MHz GDDR3)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My system runs STO decent but I'm trying to get rid of FPS hiccups. I want my NVIDIA drivers to handle Antialiasing instead of in-game settings as suggested in rockntrek's NVIDIA thread.

    No matter what I do, STO completely ignores the NVIDIA Antialiasing Setting (yep I have it turned off in STO). In NVIDIA Control Panel I've tried "Enhance the application setting" and "Override any application setting" - no change at all in STO.

    I was running the 190.62 drivers. I thought I might need to upgrade as suggested in Xerove's post so I followed the instructions there. I used Driver Sweeper in Safe Mode to wipe 190.62 clean and upgraded to 196.21. Same result - STO still ignores NVIDIA settings.

    Do you think this is because I'm still on Win XP 32-bit? Any suggestions?

    Techie Info
    DxDiag
    3D Settings Pt 1
    3D Settings Pt 2


    I had a problem applying some setting i was messing around with...i was applying them to the wrong friggin exe file..i wasn't sure with sto which file is ACTUALLY the game file...as SIMPLE as i know it is..justg make jusr you are applying the setting you want to the correct exe.

    im running a 295..i have tried using one pcb for aa and the other for thwe normal 3d and it worked fine...i have switched it back...I used the games settings.

    But to be honest AA over 4 and 8x has been a problem for nvidia for YEARS especially at higher res...it took them long enough to admit it..so I cant imagine they suddenly made 32x aa drivers..tjhey are not capable..though as I said not too many problems with the 295.

    to make you feel better though my ati buddies are feeling the same frustrations so i dont thik this is limited to one brand as some might have you believe

    EDIT: I hear alot of people going on about the RAM on thier cards..you know unless the ram is talilored(868 meg for instance is no coincidence) and even then..often(if not always) you need at least a 24 inch screen AND resultions of at LEAST 1650x1080..and results dont really start to kick in until around 1920x1200.

    these are the time when memory on your card really counts. running quad sli with a gig per card on a 15 inch screen at 1024 x 768 would hilariously be utterly pointless...and while my last specs there were a joke...you should see the jokers with the 295 proudnly in thier machine..but they have the monitor they were usinf when we celevrated the mellenium!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    QE2 wrote:
    EDIT: I hear alot of people going on about the RAM on thier cards..you know unless the ram is talilored(868 meg for instance is no coincidence) and even then..often(if not always) you need at least a 24 inch screen AND resultions of at LEAST 1650x1080..and results dont really start to kick in until around 1920x1200.

    these are the time when memory on your card really counts. running quad sli with a gig per card on a 15 inch screen at 1024 x 768 would hilariously be utterly pointless...and while my last specs there were a joke...you should see the jokers with the 295 proudnly in thier machine..but they have the monitor they were usinf when we celevrated the mellenium!

    IDK about that, it depends on the program and how it utilizes memory, GTAIV will eat up every bit of V-memory even at lower resolutions. I think STO has an option somewhere to utilize the memory in different ways under troubleshooting.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm not sure what AA is even being used for in STO. Not only does the game ignore what the control panel is set to (and I've got updated drivers, a GTX 260, I've tried disabling the setting in-game, I've tried nHancer), but if you adjust the game's AA setting and look carefully, you'll notice that it never really goes past 2xAA. I've noticed a loss in frames when switching between the options, but no improvement in quality. I went to my bridge and also used sector space to look at some choppy areas, like in the engine nacelles of my Constitution Refit, or at my character's legs and the dome in the ceiling of my bridge. I'd change it to no AA, and it was really jaggy. I'd change it to 2xAA, and it would smooth out a little, but still with noticeable jaggys. If I changed it to 4xAA or 8xAA, it wouldn't change AT ALL. In fact, on away missions I've noticed that if you have it on 8xAA, there's an issue with a shadow line not too far off that walks in front of you. That's the only difference I can see between 8xAA and 2xAA or 4xAA. I can make X-Wing Alliance look smoother than STO. That's TRIBBLE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It only applies 8x to certain objects/areas, if you go to earth spacedock and look at the floor with the carpet with metal "strips" it applies to that. Also (for me anyway) it affects most ground shadows. And with ships, most ppl zoom out far enough that they don't notice the jaggedness. Most ppl probably don't notice or pay attention past 4x anyway. Also what kind of drivers you using? My 9800 has minimal FPS loss between 8x and 2x, about 5-6 frames.

    And don't get to overly dramatic about it, its a MMO after all, they have to keep resource demand minimal to have a broader system requirement so more ppl can play, which is a good thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i got fsaa probs aswell but with ATI (got a HD4890 running at 1680x1050) sometimes it does apply fsaa on certain parts like my ship some objects and when i look at broken station (pvp scen) a bit away i see jagged edges all over, using ingame settings (8x) or controle panel doesent help hope they fix it soon!

    fsaa makes everything looks so much sharper i hate those jaggies!
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