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The REAL problem with STO

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Ok I have seen all the moaning and whining about Cryptic and am wondering why noone has addressed the real problem , while many think its Cryptic (some of it is) point the big guns at the real problem here .... Atari.

My reason for this is simple - Cryptic works for Atari therefore Atari is the boss. Lets look at the facts and some of the complaints.

1- OMG numero uno NO ENDGAME - thiers nothing there right? Wrong. Its there waiting for Atari to give the go ahead. Look at the notes about the upcoming patch (45 days I believe) , this content should be there but isnt beacuse of time and money issues NOT by Cryptic but Atari. They wanted the revenue form the game so bad they did push it out too fast. BTW for the ppl who say its convenient thats its after the 30 day free period thats brilliant by Atari huh.

2-Crafting-Again pretty much the same thing as above. Its there but it is to the point of being no-exisitant. Maybe they had an awesome idea but again no money or time to implement it who knows. A side not that crafting isnt always a godsend , take WoW (since ppl cant shut up about it lol) there are only a few things that each prof makes that are really sought after and thats it the other 99% of the items goto waste anyway. Plus it can and usually does make the game economy bad for gold buyers because prices jump on raw mats (aka farmers) and new players fell as though they have to buy to compete (and some long term players as well).

3-PVP- Again the klingons should be "all in place" but arent. Again its complete but because of time issues its not there yet. So Atari being brilliant gives us bare-bones Klingons to at least have a "pvp" until the game makes more money. Same goes for the other races plus being charged for its stupid but again its money.

Anyway Im not a Cryptic fanboy or anything , hell Im not a "trekkie" GASP but be real ppl getting on these boards and flaming evrything in site is doing NO GOOD. It will not get it here any faster than Atari allows it. Cryptic isnt paying for this game from their pockets ya know. Hell Atari was going to go bankrupt a couple of years ago and its beyond me how they even afforded the Star Trek name , plus they have like NO online experience. Plus considering the money they have lost they didnt want to take a risk putting more money into the dev of the game , someone said its 15 mil to make while like vanguard was 50 mil. Anyway they wanted the money and glory but didnt feel like taking the risk moneywise.

Another example - Mass Effect - had 1 DLC come out , Bioware had a ton planned but EA bought them out after it was released so they scrapped the DLC and told them to work on ME2. Will there be DLC for ME2 oh hell yeah no that EA gets the profits (same with DAO atm).

Think of it in 1 of these ways..

1- A movie gets made , director gets flamed for a bad movie but all he or she did was what the producers allowed them to do , cuts were made and the its realeased on DVD with all that nice leftovers in it. the director worked for the producers and didnt pay for it him or herself.

2- A construction company is putting up a building , the workers are actually putting it up and wont put on the roof w/o the foreman telling them to do so , but if he doesnt get the materials for the roof its indoor pool time when it rains.

Anyway take a chillpill and think for a few minutes before putting the blame all on Cryptics shoulders , although 1 thing they do need to do (and its not done too often) is COMMUNICATE with the players on these forums more. So yelling and ranting is absolutely your right but remember , it wont help in the long run.

All in all this is my opinion so flame away but just remember it wont do a dimes worth of good cause I dont work for you :D
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    rapatpamp wrote: »

    1- OMG numero uno NO ENDGAME - thiers nothing there right? Wrong. Its there waiting for Atari to give the go ahead. Look at the notes about the upcoming patch (45 days I believe) , this content should be there but isnt beacuse of time and money issues NOT by Cryptic but Atari. They wanted the revenue form the game so bad they did push it out too fast. BTW for the ppl who say its convenient thats its after the 30 day free period thats brilliant by Atari huh.

    just out of interest ... but where do you got that 45 days information from ? link to dev post would be nice.

    but if its true that they are waiting just to ship in the first sub the game will definitely fail like AoC and warhammer did.... huge numbers in bought boxes but nobody cares to sub after that, i wouldnt neither.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The 45 days came from another post but I have no idea if its true just kinda putting it out there if it is.:p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The 45 days came from multiple dev interviews where the lead developer said, that a huge patch would be coming approx 45 days after launch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    rapatpamp wrote: »
    Cryptic works for Atari therefore Atari is the boss. Lets look at the facts and some of the complaints.

    I'm absolutely with you, think that's something most of the people are not aware of these days. Atari is listed on the stock exchange and has to made profit to satisfy the stockholders. That's it, nothing more to say not even concerning this game, there are many other games too, or what do you think is the major idea behind DLC's? Money, profit, etc. welcome to the free market economy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    45 days came from a thread where a delveloper said that was how long it would take them to release http://www.startrekonline.com/upcoming_content

    Personally I don't see why this wasn't ready for release, too bad I won't be here in 45 days to see that new content. I can't even bring myself to logging in this game is so boring
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    hatemenow wrote: »
    45 days came from a thread where a delveloper said that was how long it would take them to release http://www.startrekonline.com/upcoming_content

    Personally I don't see why this wasn't ready for release, too bad I won't be here in 45 days to see that new content. I can't even bring myself to logging in this game is so boring

    well i read about a rolling release of endgame content, thats just whats in there as well....

    "If you're looking for a challenge, look no further than our upcoming Raid Episodes, which combine bold storytelling with our toughest five-man missions yet. These are just a few of the Raid Episodes we'll be rolling out over the coming weeks, beginning a week after launch. Raid Episodes are available to both Federation and Klingon players."

    i guess they mean it takes 45 days to release all of it, but not all at once with a huge patch.

    question would then be, what comes after that. but that would be at least something if they start to get stuff in right now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TY for the links to the 45 days posts. Anyway hopefully it will be within 45 and not at 45 days meaning smaller releases and not 1 big 1. Although a big realease at 45 days will be nice as well as long as theres new stuff inbetween:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Here is what they say they have planned over the next two months. It was posted on the front page last week and is in the news archive.

    ( WHAT'S NEXT )
    Well someone beat me to it, but there it is again in case some did not see it.:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The REAL problem with STO

    is the community.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The REAL problem with STO

    is the community.

    there is NEVER a perfect community, not even in a star trek game. sad thing is, you dont even need to socialise in the game to get to max level or beat anything.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    rapatpamp wrote: »
    Anyway take a chillpill and think for a few minutes before putting the blame all on Cryptics shoulders , although 1 thing they do need to do (and its not done too often) is COMMUNICATE with the players on these forums more. So yelling and ranting is absolutely your right but remember , it wont help in the long run.

    yelling and ranting probably plays a part in why they dont communicate much
    if one does they either get treated real nice (which is good)

    or they get eaten alive by the people who dont think before they speak :( (which sucks coz it ruins any communication
    The REAL problem with STO

    is the community.

    yep too many b@st@rds, who spend more time bad mouthing the game and cryptic then they do sleeping xD

    if they spent that time actually oh i duno playing the game maybe?
    they may realise its actually really good :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ultimota wrote: »
    yelling and ranting probably plays a part in why they dont communicate much
    if one does they either get treated real nice (which is good)

    or they get eaten alive by the people who dont think before they speak :( (which sucks coz it ruins any communication



    yep too many b@st@rds, who spend more time bad mouthing the game and cryptic then they do sleeping xD

    if they spent that time actually oh i duno playing the game maybe?
    they may realise its actually really good :P

    well there are and will always be the ones that are easy satisfied and the ones who prefer more depth in a game.
    i prefer people ranting about a game so that there is pressure to improve it rather than those Stockholm syndrome fanboys blindly defending even the most utter TRIBBLE ( not that sto is that but it needs a lot of work )
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    zerosoul wrote: »
    well there are and will always be the ones that are easy satisfied and the ones who prefer more depth in a game.
    i prefer people ranting about a game so that there is pressure to improve it rather than those Stockholm syndrome fanboys blindly defending even the most utter TRIBBLE ( not that sto is that but it needs a lot of work )

    first im no fanboy which you certainly implied since it was quoting me lol

    second how the hell does Stockholm syndrome relate to this at all last i
    checked i wasnt being held hostage lol

    i just really think cryptic deserves a little more respect then they get alot of the time,
    it is alot of hard work making and maintaining an mmo especially when under pressure
    from fans, Atari, CBS.

    it does need alot of work sure but its still a great game
    i just dont think yelling and ranting is overly supportive
    or helpful
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ultimota wrote: »
    first im no fanboy which you certainly implied since it was quoting me lol

    second how the hell does Stockholm syndrome relate to this at all last i
    checked i wasnt being held hostage lol

    i just really think cryptic deserves a little more respect then they get alot of the time,
    it is alot of hard work making and maintaining an mmo especially when under pressure
    from fans, Atari, CBS.

    it does need alot of work sure but its still a great game
    i just dont think yelling and ranting is overly supportive
    or helpful

    i didnt mean to offend you personally, just speaking in general.
    but its a matter of fact that there are people that really just buy-play-quit, never rant, never suggest anything...
    if so, just hypocritical defend the game as long as they play. i dont know, maybe its about the fact that they bought the game and feel offended by any criticism, even if its constructive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    zerosoul wrote: »
    i didnt mean to offend you personally, just speaking in general.
    but its a matter of fact that there are people that really just buy-play-quit, never rant, never suggest anything...
    if so, just hypocritical defend the game as long as they play. i dont know, maybe its about the fact that they bought the game and feel offended by any criticism, even if its constructive.

    you find alot isnt overly constructive tho

    "UFGW*@B GAME SUCK UAGFBF*Weg3 CRYPITIC SUCKkfba89fb *Cancel*"

    so yeh xD
    just what ive noticed anyways
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ultimota wrote: »
    you find alot isnt overly constructive tho

    "UFGW*@B GAME SUCK UAGFBF*Weg3 CRYPITIC SUCKkfba89fb *Cancel*"

    so yeh xD
    just what ive noticed anyways

    there is a pretty good thread out there already, just needs some bumping to page 1

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=102017
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    zerosoul wrote: »
    well there are and will always be the ones that are easy satisfied and the ones who prefer more depth in a game.
    i prefer people ranting about a game so that there is pressure to improve it rather than those Stockholm syndrome fanboys blindly defending even the most utter TRIBBLE ( not that sto is that but it needs a lot of work )

    HAHAH, Hear hear
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