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To the 43,000 Captain Malcolms of the USS Serenity

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You do realize Star Fleet pretty much represents everything he hates and he would not in a million years join it?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Those are..."other" Captain Malcolms who happen to captain the same ship by the name of "Serenity" from other pan-parallel-dimension universes. No relation with the guy that formerly had his own TV series.

    Or it is a REALLY BIG family! :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thats alright, I saw a Fed Klingon called Sheperd D. Book... I actually said out loud, "Really??"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    here hear.

    well, actually, the Federation highly respects the rights of individual colonies to practice their own cultures.

    and the Prime Directive is meant to prevent the social, economic, and militaristic conquering of lesser species.

    much of its existence is contingent on the perfection of self, a buddhist ideal that is evident in its mandates.

    so, what?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    hahaha... I saw one today, browncoats are cool.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SP3CTREnyc wrote:
    here hear.

    well, actually, the Federation highly respects the rights of individual colonies to practice their own cultures.

    and the Prime Directive is meant to prevent the social, economic, and militaristic conquering of lesser species.

    much of its existence is contingent on the perfection of self, a buddhist ideal that is evident in its mandates.

    so, what?
    But to join the Feds you have to meet their standards and do what they say, and as i recall the colonies in Serenity were left to fend for themselves with blankets and hatchets no different than the feds prime directive.

    No matter how toy xlice it, complete lack of imagination.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We got a Firefly fleet in game so no surprise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Katagasm wrote: »
    You do realize Star Fleet pretty much represents everything he hates and he would not in a million years join it?

    You do realize you don't have a clue on what you're talking about. He didn't hate it because of what it was, he hated it for what it did. There is a difference there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SP3CTREnyc wrote:
    here hear.

    well, actually, the Federation highly respects the rights of individual colonies to practice their own cultures.

    and the Prime Directive is meant to prevent the social, economic, and militaristic conquering of lesser species.

    much of its existence is contingent on the perfection of self, a buddhist ideal that is evident in its mandates.

    so, what?

    That's what those indians on that planet thought on that TNG "Journeys end" episode! :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    kingnoobe wrote:
    You do realize you don't have a clue on what you're talking about. He didn't hate it because of what it was, he hated it for what it did. There is a difference there.

    Yes, because "we have some crime to do" So fits in with the federation.

    Oh yea i forgot about the time Kirk robbed a train.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    mickeyx wrote:
    We got a Firefly fleet in game so no surprise.

    Ya, I wanted to join it, but after hitting their website - I realized it was too heavy on RP for me. Still looking for a decent fleet to sign up with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Actually I think the prime directive is the natural effect of the social values of the federation.

    If you do not believe in military conquest through the boot, and you believe in self determination, then any culture worth saving, has its own ability to do that. Its own culture will show the values of its people, to change that would be to deny the people the right to see their own ability and possibilities of better things and the rewards of overcoming the worse things. It would be PowerLeveling.

    There are example of the values that match that in every culture all over the place, and because of that there is no need to violate the prime directive, since the cultures themselves have all the abilities and knowledge that any Federation officer could be able to speak of.

    Although spotlighting some of those better things said, within that own culture, does point out the values inherent in ones own society.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Katagasm wrote: »
    But to join the Feds you have to meet their standards and do what they say, and as i recall the colonies in Serenity were left to fend for themselves with blankets and hatchets no different than the feds prime directive.

    No matter how toy xlice it, complete lack of imagination.

    The Prime Directive has no application with colonies.

    All the Prime Directive does is avoid revealing extraterrestrial life to a planet without warp capability.

    And if there's a third party from offworld manipulating things, the Prime Directive goes out the window.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The Prime Directive has no application with colonies.

    And if there's a third party from offworld manipulating things, the Prime Directive goes out the window.


    The equations would change, or what is allowable or necessary, but the principle remains.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zathurus wrote: »
    The equations would change, or what is allowable or necessary, but the principle remains.

    Pretty sure I had a mission in this game where I went to a pre-Warp civilization, discovered Klingons supplying tech to a group and my officers told me that the Prime Directive did not apply anymore because contamination had occurred.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Katagasm wrote: »
    But to join the Feds you have to meet their standards and do what they say, and as i recall the colonies in Serenity were left to fend for themselves with blankets and hatchets no different than the feds prime directive.

    No matter how toy xlice it, complete lack of imagination.

    uhh..what? No.. not even remotly the same thing. Feds leave planets below a tech level ALONE, no contact nothing, and prevent other space fairing individuals from doing the same, they have a time or two helped out these planets from being destroyed due to illness and the like but always indirectly (or at least attempet to)

    In Firefly there where the outer colonies, of which the Alliance put those people there and ignored them (for the most part anyway), they got fed up with the alliance telling them what to do but never helping so they attemted to break off from them.

    Big diffrence. Mal probably would have been in Starfleet Im sure. Its not that he didnt like being told what to do (He did take orders while he was in the military) its what he was being told to do. For example he wouldent take a shipment of food from a town that was starving, of which the Alliance probably would tell him to do. If Starfleet told him that he would probably pull a Kirk or Picard and tell them to go F themselves.

    Edit: also nothing wrong with the name really, either of em. If their bio is diffrent it dosent really matter. Poor imagination sure but still both fine names.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My name is not Malcolm Reynolds but I do have a tactical officer I named Jayne Cobb. I even modified him to look as close as possible to the guy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pretty sure I had a mission in this game where I went to a pre-Warp civilization, discovered Klingons supplying tech to a group and my officers told me that the Prime Directive did not apply anymore because contamination had occurred.


    Not sure if you are talking in game or based on the TV show, or even what series of Tv shows.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Zathurus wrote: »
    Not sure if you are talking in game or based on the TV show, or even what series of Tv shows.

    In this game. One of the exploration missions, my bridge officer told me the Prime Directive didn't apply because Klingons had visited the planet, so I could shoot natives who attacked me.

    The Prime Directive only applies to pre-Warp planets who haven't had encountered advanced technology. If the PD is in effect, we try to help them without their knowledge. If it isn't, we can pretty much regard them as friend or enemy based on their actions and get involved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ive seen far more Captain Shepard's of the USS Normandy
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The UFP pretty much embodies what the Alliance in Firefly claimed to be - a government for the good of all, helping everybody to live the right way, for their own good. The UFP isn't guilty of the horrific and evil things the Alliance does behind the scenes, in the name of that "greater good", but I still can't see Mal Reynolds being on the same ship as Counselor Troi for more than one day without it ending in violence :)

    Firefly is pretty much the anti-Trek. It's very much rooted in the libertarian ethos of "let me live my own life, and get to heaven by my own efforts or go to hell making my own mistakes". Star Trek has the utopian ideal that "in the future we'll get over our childish natures and learn to play nice with each other". Which of these two you find preferable is a matter of personal philosophy.

    Of course, if I wanted a REAL anti-Trek I'd create Captain Blake of the Liberator...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Katagasm wrote: »
    But to join the Feds you have to meet their standards and do what they say, and as i recall the colonies in Serenity were left to fend for themselves with blankets and hatchets no different than the feds prime directive.

    No matter how toy xlice it, complete lack of imagination.

    The Federation's standards aren't all that strict- most just things we'd consider basic human rights. If you agree to those you can join. If not you can still be friendly with the Federation- keep in mind that Bajor wasn't a Federation member planet at any point during DS9, but they worked together pretty well.

    The Firefly/Serenity Alliance is more akin to the Romulan empire, I'd imagine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Firefly is pretty much the anti-Trek. It's very much rooted in the libertarian ethos of "let me live my own life, and get to heaven by my own efforts or go to hell making my own mistakes". Star Trek has the utopian ideal that "in the future we'll get over our childish natures and learn to play nice with each other". Which of these two you find preferable is a matter of personal philosophy.

    Maybe. I don't know. That's kind of the high view of Star Trek but not really what we see in canon. It is pretty much what you see of the Federation, yes... but we see plenty of humans outside the Federation that live life as they please, and the Federation lets them so long as they don't break any laws.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rikaelus wrote: »
    Maybe. I don't know. That's kind of the high view of Star Trek but not really what we see in canon. It is pretty much what you see of the Federation, yes... but we see plenty of humans outside the Federation that live life as they please, and the Federation lets them so long as they don't break any laws.

    Yeah, that's the Federation's saving grace in my view - they don't go FORCING their tofu-munching, kumbaya-singing sanctimonious TRIBBLE on everyone else :p
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