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so... yeah thats what they call "unexpected downtime"
all the many "why do you do maint in prime time" and "QQ im playing wtf happened??" threads should read this.
You cant give warning for crashes when even they dont know when its gonna happen :p
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They brought it down 30 seconds before it was going to come down on it's own, if my last 300 seconds of gameplay were any indicator. That's fine. I'm not crazy about it, but it's better than waiting in queue to get in for 26 hours like WoW was.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This is true enough, the sad thing is it happens all to frequently :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This is true enough, the sad thing is it happens all to frequently :(

    Welcome to the first month of a new mmo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    buddah7118 wrote:
    Welcome to the first month of a new mmo.

    ...lol...yeah I heard that...looks like somethings never change...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I seem to remember in the several mmo;s ive beta'd and launched they had a pretty decent idea of load and needed machines to keep the game running during the release, when i read things posted on the 2nd telling me there expanding there capacity soon that tells me there either a bunch of low brow morons or a bunch of skin flints that are to cheap to supply the hardware to keep the game running smoothly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stridor wrote: »
    I seem to remember in the several mmo;s ive beta'd and launched they had a pretty decent idea of load and needed machines to keep the game running during the release, when i read things posted on the 2nd telling me there expanding there capacity soon that tells me there either a bunch of low brow morons or a bunch of skin flints that are to cheap to supply the hardware to keep the game running smoothly.

    Oh they said they were going to be expanding capacity *weeks* ago, in open beta after the NDA lifted

    they had a "Rush order" on new hardware
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stridor wrote: »
    I seem to remember in the several mmo;s ive beta'd and launched they had a pretty decent idea of load and needed machines to keep the game running during the release, when i read things posted on the 2nd telling me there expanding there capacity soon that tells me there either a bunch of low brow morons or a bunch of skin flints that are to cheap to supply the hardware to keep the game running smoothly.

    That's not really true! Except for today, the past 3 have been pretty good. So they must be doing something right. I can name several games that had constant crashes like this during the first few weeks. And it's hard to really gauge the popularity of an MMO. So I feel like they are doing a pretty good job, all things considered.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stridor wrote: »
    I seem to remember in the several mmo;s ive beta'd and launched they had a pretty decent idea of load and needed machines to keep the game running during the release, when i read things posted on the 2nd telling me there expanding there capacity soon that tells me there either a bunch of low brow morons or a bunch of skin flints that are to cheap to supply the hardware to keep the game running smoothly.

    ROFL. Uh, except the 300 foot tall white elephant in your room : WoW. They start with, what, 20 worlds and day long queue times? I remember a video of a dancing undead warrior with the queue time scrolling UP at the time heh. How many weeks did it take for them to get enough horsepower to run THEIR load?

    When AO launched, they released pictures of their GM staff, sleeping on mattresses in the support room while others worked computers. THey never left for days because of all the problems and not enough humans to help.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The main site has a widget that says either up or maintenance, the building that holds the servers could explode and the website would say maintenance... if the web server was in a separate building lol.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MMOGs are complex code with lots of "moving parts", bitwise. I work with large networks every day (net security ops), and I'm amazed when a company like Cryptic does pull it off. There really is no way to test these sort of things, except go live....but when you go live, "unexpected downtime" happens.

    Now the true test will be, will the fixes be made quickly, or will it stagnate?

    I'll give a quick example here, just to show it's not as simple as "git moar survurz!" Say Cryptic has a couple server racks exchanging data. Bandwidth between these racks is at a premium, so for a specific set of data (X), it gets load balanced for 20kbps. Well, due do code error/wierd database call/Hand of God, X is pulling 21kbps. No prob in beta, there's enough leeway in the balancer to handle it. But here comes live. Now allasudden, that extra 1kbps is overbudget, and throwing wierd errors. People start complaining, Cryptic staff has to gather data (takes time), sort logs to find the glitch (time), rig a hotfix (time), then code a real fix to keep this from happening again (more time)....and did I mention, that fix broke something else on the back end...

    Welcome to the world of netcode.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'll just be happy when the servers get more stable. I hate getting bounced from game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ozzie223 wrote:
    ROFL. Uh, except the 300 foot tall white elephant in your room : WoW. They start with, what, 20 worlds and day long queue times? I remember a video of a dancing undead warrior with the queue time scrolling UP at the time heh. How many weeks did it take for them to get enough horsepower to run THEIR load?

    When AO launched, they released pictures of their GM staff, sleeping on mattresses in the support room while others worked computers. THey never left for days because of all the problems and not enough humans to help.

    ROFLMGDAO now do I sound all cool and sheet to?

    I was playing mmo's in 93 probably while you were throwing your rattle across the room yeah i remember lines, and i havent owned an elephant in years but hey again your to cool to believe that right.

    Remember a game called EQ? how boat Ultima online or DAOC even a rather late commer called EvE yeah been to there betas and launches, after the open they put on more hardware imedeatly they didnt just promise it, and i can take a picture of a bunch of guys laying around an office real easy right before they head for the tavern.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I bet there are 100 of these threads with the same whine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stridor wrote: »
    I was playing mmo's in 93 probably while you were throwing your rattle across the room

    Brilliant. SCORE!!!!!:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ozzie223 wrote:
    When AO launched, they released pictures of their GM staff, sleeping on mattresses in the support room while others worked computers. THey never left for days because of all the problems and not enough humans to help.

    AO's launch unfortunately killed it. I liked the scifi theme and stuff and think they could have had a massive winner on their hands if it wasn't for the abysmal launch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I bet there are 100 of these threads with the same whine.

    thay passed the whinning stage..its all crying now
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stridor wrote: »
    ROFLMGDAO now do I sound all cool and sheet to?

    I was playing mmo's in 93 probably while you were throwing your rattle across the room yeah i remember lines, and i havent owned an elephant in years but hey again your to cool to believe that right.

    Remember a game called EQ? how boat Ultima online or DAOC even a rather late commer called EvE yeah been to there betas and launches, after the open they put on more hardware imedeatly they didnt just promise it, and i can take a picture of a bunch of guys laying around an office real easy right before they head for the tavern.

    No, you do not sound cool. You sound bitter and sad.

    Playing MMO's in 93 probably means what, Meridian?

    I was in UO at release, Air Warrior at release, LoK, Gamestorm, ect. I've probably got shirts older than you are. Definitely pots and pans. Also, as a mark of maturity, read over your post and correct rage typing like "imedeatly", it cheapens your "contribution."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    buddah7118 wrote:
    so... yeah thats what they call "unexpected downtime"
    all the many "why do you do maint in prime time" and "QQ im playing wtf happened??" threads should read this.
    You cant give warning for crashes when even they dont know when its gonna happen :p

    server crash? then why is sever back up now with a new patch moron. GTFO you complainer
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I bet there are 100 of these threads with the same whine.

    know what funny?

    this wasnt a "whine" it was a "rant". learn to distinguish the two
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    server crash? then why is sever back up now with a new patch moron. GTFO you complainer

    its up for you? Why's the main page still say its down, and the launcher still says its down
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stridor wrote: »
    ROFLMGDAO now do I sound all cool and sheet to?

    I was playing mmo's in 93 probably while you were throwing your rattle across the room yeah i remember lines, and i havent owned an elephant in years but hey again your to cool to believe that right.

    Remember a game called EQ? how boat Ultima online or DAOC even a rather late commer called EvE yeah been to there betas and launches, after the open they put on more hardware imedeatly they didnt just promise it, and i can take a picture of a bunch of guys laying around an office real easy right before they head for the tavern.

    First MMO I think I ever played was this game called Ten 6. We used to joke that it was 10 hours of waiting for 6 minutes of wait time. Its called Project Visitor now though
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