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If this game didn't have the Star Trek IP attached, would you still play it?

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I don't think I would.

For all the reasons stated by far more people, this MMO, without Star Trek, would probably not be doing very well right now. This game really brings nothing new to the table, and the content seems to be far too cookie cutter and repetitive.

Fight ships. Beam down. Fight on the ground or press F a few times. Beam up. Fight more ships, Exit sector. Repeat.

You attach Star Trek to this game, though, and it's a whole new ballgame.

I felt the grind of repetition just getting to Lt.Cmdr, but the only carrot keeping me going was the thought of flying my own Nova, and progressing to other iconic ships that I've admired through the different series and movies.

There's the lure of visiting and interacting with iconic places we've seen over the years; where we've hoped to have a drink at Quark's, walk the beaches of Risa, and so on and so forth....

Then you beam down to Risa, and you can't help but feel a little disappointed. This is ALL we get?

It's the wrapping that makes this game appealing, and without it, I fear I wouldn't play.

I'm hoping for the best, though. I want to give the devs some time to see what they can cook up down the road. I want them to truly take advantage of this wonderful world we're playing in with our beautiful ships, sexy BO's, and custom uniforms.

I'm just hoping it happens before the shine wears off for me.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think your shine has already wore off and you're just living in denial now. :) There's nothing wrong with that. I've left dozens of games because they weren't right for me. As I always say, if we all liked the same thing we'd all be playing WoW now. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No, half the game is the star trek feel for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'd play, but I probably wouldn't have gone for the lifetime sub.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    To be honest, I wouldn't even know it existed if it wasn't Star Trek. Im glad i know though!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would, and I also think the game would be getting better reviews if it DIDN'T have Star Trek and all the associated expectations of what a Star Trek game should be. You yourself stated an example of why I think the license is a big fat negative, at least critically.
    Then you beam down to Risa, and you can't help but feel a little disappointed. This is ALL we get?

    If you were beaming down to Kuklumoopo in "Space Adventures Online", you wouldn't be expecting anything so you wouldn't be dissapointed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aris wrote:
    I'd play, but I probably wouldn't have gone for the lifetime sub.

    Probably the same here.

    Though I'm a ship nut. If the ship designs were crappy I might not have played at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Probably not, it's definitely the IP that first drew my attention a couple of years ago. It's the closest you can get to playing in the Star Trek universe, so that and the promise of what it could be, will keep me here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would, and I also think the game would be getting better reviews if it DIDN'T have Star Trek and all the associated expectations of what a Star Trek game should be. You yourself stated an example of why I think the license is a big fat negative, at least critically.



    If you were beaming down to Kuklumoopo in "Space Adventures Online", you wouldn't be expecting anything so you wouldn't be dissapointed.

    You know, on the flip side, that's a really good point. There's so much to live up with the expectations of so many fans attached to this game. We all hope we can engage in missions that reflect the episodes we know and love, and when we don't find that experience, it leaves us disappointed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would, and I also think the game would be getting better reviews if it DIDN'T have Star Trek and all the associated expectations of what a Star Trek game should be. You yourself stated an example of why I think the license is a big fat negative, at least critically.



    If you were beaming down to Kuklumoopo in "Space Adventures Online", you wouldn't be expecting anything so you wouldn't be dissapointed.

    This is a very good point. i agree
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No. I wouldn't have even looked at the game. I play mmos based on the IP that drives them. So you won't ever catch me playing some generic mmo based on no IP because I can't relate to them or get immersed in them (I've tried).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It would make sence to play this without the St up.

    Next question; would you play this game is it was, instead of an mmo, a dice rolling game with millions of people.

    The two questions are similar.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Good question. I'd have to say no, but not due to gameplay. The gameplay is fun enough by itself, but the Star Trek feel is what ultimately made me pre-order from beta.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I likely would not have tried it.

    However, if someone had convinced me to try it, I would have liked it and very likely subbed up for a long while.

    Star Trek got me in the door. The game itself has convinced me to stay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm lucky enough that I have a great fleet that I've joined to make this game even more appealing. EVen if the gameplay may be somewhat vanilla for me, the people I play with are extremely helpful and fun to be ingame with.

    I'm going to stick around, but like I said, I really hope Cryptic gives this baby some real wings.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't know if that's really a fair question to ask. The game was built around this all being about Star Trek. Being a Star Trek fan, I probably would have played it no matter what the game was like.

    Lt. Cmdr Kevin T. Riley IV
    Commanding Officer
    U.S.S. Constellation
    NCC-91017
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I probably wouldn't, simply because i dont like most space games.

    And i think it would have gotten a MUCH better review and so on and be a simple little mmo trugging along like the rest without the IP

    with the IP, as you said, its a new ballgame.

    I love it, why? because for me, that lame dull patrol ? I can enjoy it because its got a star trek feel, and i can write my captains logs and....so on...so forth, etc.

    Im happy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would be blowing up something with pink phasers right now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SHorT ANSWER: No, i wouldnt.


    Long Answer: I'd play it for a month, get bored, move back to EVE and WoW. This game has about the same kind of retention as City of Heroes did for me when i tried it. Fun for awhile, but ultimately shallow, repititive, and not long lasting.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well, I'm digging STO and I don't care about Star Trek at all. And I really don't think the game would be doing terribly without the ST license.

    People seem to forget that there's nowhere else to go if you want a pick-up-and-play style spaceships MMO, or even a sci-fi MMO for that matter.

    For me, STO is just plain fun. I don't care if something violates canon, or if I cant put a miniskirt on a crew member, or if there's only 20 people in my sector space instead of 200, etc.

    I have a good time while blowing stuff up in space. I have a good time while shooting stuff on the ground. I've been getting a steady stream of loot, having a blast in DSEs and I know I'll be having fun within 5 minutes every time I log on.

    Maybe 1-2 months from now I'll have the "been there, done that" feeling, or maybe there just wont be enough of an endgame or other stuff to do to keep me going, but STO has been very refreshing. It doesn't do a lot of the things most MMOs do, and for the most part I consider that a good thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I doubt I would of paid any attention to it if it wasn't ST
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well it being Star Trek got me intrested but if it was'nt fun for me to play I would'nt. Hence why dispite being a star wars nut I quit SWG when it was'nt fun any more IE right after the CU.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Even with the Star Trek IP attached, I don't play it. I swear, the server was down when I got up this morning, was still down when I went to work, and it's down when I get home. Grrrr....


    Seriously though, I wouldn't have bought it without the Star Trek stuff. I'm not a hard-core trekkie. I've only been to one star trek convention, and I was in grade school at the time (two decades ago). I haven't even watched all of the TV shows, but the idea of having my own starship set in the star trek universe is definately appealing.

    If this was just another generic space-based MMO, I would be playing Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2, or Dragon Age right now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The OP is asking a loaded question really, as the IP is as least as important to the player, as the game itself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    my main draw is being able to own/fly/captain upgrade a defiant class ship.

    i also like the star trek universe/ ships/ characters weapons, ship combat, lore etc etc.

    do I feel it could be way better? yes. but i dont know if its the 'flaws' which make it terribad, or if it is terribad all around. with the flaws there and hard to look past, its hard to know if it could be better with out them.

    i do think it will be significantly better a year from now. great 2 years from now. and epic 3-4 years from now.

    however there will need to possibly be drastic changes and or all flaws gone.

    this is only my opinion, but since you asked im giving it.

    only being able to do stuff when a linear quest permits is a big flaw right now. theres no 'second star to the right and straight on till morning' feeling. Yes that would be boring going to the second star on the right, but im not trying to convey it literally but rather what it represents. you can't do anything unless prompted by quest or a bridge officer pop up.

    theres no wondering whats around the next corner... a wormhole which could take you to some place terrible or wonderous, where you could run across a planet to find epic loot, or a cool civilization and mingle among them, do side quests for them, get stuff etc etc...

    theres no 'distress calls' unless scripted. it just..........well being an mmo and a star trek mmo i expected this game to be me be all end game for years. i cant replay games. mass effect? one play through. i know the story, i dont care to play through it again with a different character setting. eve is the only game i ever played for years. in that game i led a nice big corp so that was fun and kept me playing for years.

    there just doesnt seem to be anything in star trek to keep me beyond the first month of play....at least not right now. and i hate to admit it to myself.

    i just think that in 2010 it could have been more epic.

    missions and the script is fine. but after that what do you do once you have done all missions and you are admiral? 5 man raid episodes over and over and over? to what end?

    id like to see a dynamic living breathing world.

    lets leave out the the tacked on klingons for now.

    i think one big flaw is forcing everyone into starfleet and into that career. it should have been open ended. as in you could be a trader/pirate/free lancer/do anythinger combination of anything. with the option to join starfleet too. an alignment system...like you dont need to be shot at every time you go to cardassian space. where are the friendlies? its just a too linear box what one would expect in a single player game.

    a combination of x3: terran conflict. universal combat (collectors edition), bridge commander/elite force/fallen all wrapped in a dynamic evolving universe.

    whats here is not dynamic its not evolving and its not persistent, except the servers are always up. you can have that in any saved game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If it wasn't Startrek I wouldn't play it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rahzaar wrote: »
    I don't think I would.
    I wouldn't either. I'll explain later.
    Rahzaar wrote: »
    I felt the grind of repetition just getting to Lt.Cmdr, but the only carrot keeping me going was the thought of flying my own Nova, and progressing to other iconic ships that I've admired through the different series and movies.

    Hmm, we have to different experiences. I am almost Commander now, 2 grades away. I have yet to have any sense of Grinding for almost everything I have done has been a different mission. Sure, I have repeated all of the Exploration mission thus far as well as done all the Secure Sector missions I can do a few times over as well. I do not sit there and do those missions over and over just to get experience or gear. That would grinding. I have yet had the need, with the seeming endless amounts of missions I can undertake.

    My mission list has yet to drop down below 5 accepted Missions. I accept all available missions to me, going to the various Starbases within my field level and talking to NPCs so they will give me their missions through the Hailing Frequencies.

    My opinion, the only one forcing you to grind is you. If you want out of the grind, stop grinding and play the missions in the game.
    Rahzaar wrote: »
    There's the lure of visiting and interacting with iconic places we've seen over the years; where we've hoped to have a drink at Quark's, walk the beaches of Risa, and so on and so forth....

    Then you beam down to Risa, and you can't help but feel a little disappointed. This is ALL we get?

    I do agree with you here though, these iconic places all need to completed. I get the feeling, since this was a rushed release, that the content for these places is still yet to come.

    This is the nature of this game that is what appealed to me and keeps me playing. The fact that it is Star Trek and I can go and explore and experience all the Star Trek flavor is the key selling point as well as keeping point for me. Without all the Explorable and Experience-able lore of the most iconic of places, such as Quarks, Risa, even Vulcan and Earth (just to name a few examples), much of this flavor will begin to wane a lot later in the game after I have experienced most of the Missions and Story-lines.

    Such places are Community Hot-spots, or have the potential to be such. As with any MMO, the Community is one of the most important things in the game itself. Explore this, expand upon it, and enrich the Community with these icons from the Star Trek Universe and it will only be a boon. On the flp-side, ignore and deprive the Community of such and it will work in opposite.

    I have a long ways to go before I will begin to feel the impact of these. Right now, the game is highly entertaining and as well as immersive, in my opinion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If it was the same basic structure and setup and had compelling ships and weapons and skills and such I do believe I'd be playing it, yes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Bit of a stupid thread in my opinion. "Would you play WoW if it didn't have Warcraft" "Would you have played SWG if it didn't have Star Wars". etc etc. The brand is a big part of any game, whether it is terrific or not, its one of the things that draws in large numbers of customers. I personally think the game is perfectly fine for its current state, yes there are a few bugs and a few combat/visual issues that are being addressed as we speak. But hey, I'm just looking forward to the game growing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would, and I also think the game would be getting better reviews if it DIDN'T have Star Trek and all the associated expectations of what a Star Trek game should be. You yourself stated an example of why I think the license is a big fat negative, at least critically.

    If you were beaming down to Kuklumoopo in "Space Adventures Online", you wouldn't be expecting anything so you wouldn't be dissapointed.

    To answer the original post question - HELL NO.

    To address the above, I couldnt disagree more with all these points. The fact the Star Trek name and association is there is the only thing keeping it from being TRIBBLE worse in the reviews then it already is, the hope it will improve. If you took away the look and feel of Star Trek and the iconic atmosphere, as a game alone this would be very lacking for a new MMO in 2010. Not at all in depth, no open world roving/exploring, rinse and repeat of at best 8 different varieties of missions to gain skills.

    If the game had me beam down to a place called Kuklumoopo in a title called "Space Adventures Online" I'd LOL in real life until I whiz myself and then poke fun at it on my blog with friends at all the obvious cliche's of trying to rip off Star Trek and Star Wars. And I wouldnt even consider touching it. Its because IT IS Star Trek that I am even giving it a shot. I think 75% or better of the players here are the same mindset on that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Quite honestly, I've never actually been that much of a trekkie (please don't hunt me down and kill me for that). I've seen maybe a dozen episodes in my entire life, and half of those were just on in the background. Until reading the game manual, I had no idea who wore what colour jumper (no, you can't kill me for that, either). And I honestly have no idea which one Jean-Luc Picard is (You probably should kill me for that one).

    I bought this game because it looked impressive, and interesting. I've seen only positive previews etc. in magazines, read good things about it online, and the website showed me that this was a game put together with great care and attention to detail. So far, aside from these damn disconnects, I'm not disappointed. Far better than WoW.

    The point is, for me, the fact that this is a Star Trek game means next to nothing. The game is good or bad on it's own merits. Look at Mass Effect and Eve Online: Both highly successful and very, very good, and neither has to rely on a long-running, hugely revered franchise to do it.

    I made a decision a fair while back that this year I would get either this or Star Wars: the Old Republic. TBH I've always quite liked Star Wars, so the fact that I've decided to go for this game instead should tell you either that I'm very impressed of what I've seen, regardless of it's license, or that I'm just a bit impatient.
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