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First officer - Where is it? The community wants one.

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Where is my number one? How come i don't get a number one? This is a fairly iconic aspect of ST.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Where is my number one? How come i don't get a number one? This is a fairly iconic aspect of ST.

    Dont worry, you can still take a number one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ...its the BO you promote to Lt when you reach Lt Cmdr.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    darkAthena wrote: »
    ...its the BO you promote to Lt when you reach Lt Cmdr.

    You can promote all of your officers to be 1 rank below you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    darkAthena wrote: »
    ...its the BO you promote to Lt when you reach Lt Cmdr.

    You can promote any officer to Lt when you reach lt. cmdr.

    And rank isn't what makes a first officer. Beverly Crusher and Deana Troi also were Commanders aboard the Enterprise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I treat my tactical officer as my number one, although there's no way to actually do it ingame :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Number one I have to take a number two, you have the conn.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    I treat my tactical officer as my number one, although there's no way to actually do it ingame :(

    My point exactly. I treat my chief engineer as first officer, although that doesnt mean jack-****.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    your crew sometimes comment in windows.

    But your FO isnt there yet.

    I believe they should assign a BO FO spot to T2 and above ships.

    Only because your FO was killed with the captain and the rest though on the T1
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TeraPulse wrote:
    Number one I have to take a number two, you have the conn.

    I love your sig :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Are we talking about just a cosmetic change? Appointing one of your BO's as First Officer without any special perks or abilities?

    Or do you think that a Number One should be special in some way?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's the one sitting next to you on the bridge (Delta/Wanderer for example).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    In an ideal world the First Officer would beam down to head away teams instead of the Captain. We could beam down as ourselves in stations and the like, but the captain belongs on the bridge, and not down on planets commiting genocide against klingons, romulans and cardassians.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Who knows, maybe by the timeframe of this game the traditional First Officer designation has taken a lesser priority.

    Most iconically, the function of the first officer was to lead away teams because the danger to the captain was too great. Well, we now have those nifty personal shields and body armor and (apparently) hyper metabolisms that let us regenerate from near death in a matter of moments. So the danger to the Captain on away teams is negligible.


    Even so I have decided on a First Officer. Not sure why, but its my tactical officer. I had specifically made my Vulcan science officer in teh thought he'd be #1, but it didn't turn out that way in my brain.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It would be a nifty addition, but it wouldn't stop you from just calling one of them that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Actually, the obvious explanation to this is that the devs actually made a TOS game on a post-TNG setting.

    On TOS Spock was first a science officer, and on the background the XO. Kirk always headed away teams.

    That is cool, but i'm not playing TOS.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I just consider my most senior officer below the captain as number one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Keshay wrote: »
    Who knows, maybe by the timeframe of this game the traditional First Officer designation has taken a lesser priority.

    Most iconically, the function of the first officer was to lead away teams because the danger to the captain was too great. Well, we now have those nifty personal shields and body armor and (apparently) hyper metabolisms that let us regenerate from near death in a matter of moments. So the danger to the Captain on away teams is negligible.


    Even so I have decided on a First Officer. Not sure why, but its my tactical officer. I had specifically made my Vulcan science officer in teh thought he'd be #1, but it didn't turn out that way in my brain.

    It seems now that the First Officer and the Captain can go together on away missions. I can hear the rule book pages turning.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think all Cryptic need to do is rename the highest ranking BO station (so on my T2 Escort, the Lt Tactical station) to say First Officers Station.

    You can have loads of Lt's, but only one is in the Lt. station, thus the FO, If you see what I mean.

    This is kinda of like what Enterprise-D did, with Riker, Troi (and eventually Crusher) al being Commanders and Riker being the FO.

    You can think of this as Troi and Crusher not being assigned to a station in your Cruiser, or, being assigned but not being in the only Commander station thats available.

    Does this make sense?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Exactly, the BO in the highest ranking slot is your first officer. That BO may be the same rank as your other BO's but the fact that only that BO can use a top tier ability indicates they are better than the rest, your #1...

    And when you go on an away team, you can leave that BO home to mind the ship while you beam down...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Joda1984 wrote:
    I think all Cryptic need to do is rename the highest ranking BO station (so on my T2 Escort, the Lt Tactical station) to say First Officers Station.

    You can have loads of Lt's, but only one is in the Lt. station, thus the FO, If you see what I mean.

    This is kinda of like what Enterprise-D did, with Riker, Troi (and eventually Crusher) al being Commanders and Riker being the FO.

    You can think of this as Troi and Crusher not being assigned to a station in your Cruiser, or, being assigned but not being in the only Commander station thats available.

    Does this make sense?

    It does, its a cool idea. Although the thing is that if you decide to go with a escort the next tier after using cruisers thus far, you'd have to have a different XO than the one you've been using so far.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    commiting genocide against klingons, romulans and cardassians.

    Killing someone because they are at war with you aint genocide, its politics.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    It does, its a cool idea. Although the thing is that if you decide to go with a escort the next tier after using cruisers thus far, you'd have to have a different XO than the one you've been using so far.

    Good point.... unless you make the XO position generic of class.... but then, no, thats a bad idea.

    I think a we need is something aesthetic.... currently I'm using different Lt pips (junior and senior) so it appears one of my BO's is senior, but that's not going to work when I rank up (hopefully this weekend :D). I don't think we need for the XO to have any special abilities (athough, that woud be nice).

    Maybe something simple like be abe to add the XO tag that we can apply to only one BO. You could then, if you wanted, have an XO that isn't one of your Specialists (athough, I'd sti use my Tactica Lt)

    EDIT: Sorry, my L on this keyboard is broken... :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I been picking my most trustworthy BO and making him my Number 1. He is the first guy to get all the best shields, guns and armor
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't need a game mechanic to label my first officer. I pick them, myself. In my case it's my tactical officer and the officer I got during the tutorial.

    As for the reference to TOS and implying that the first officer can't double in TNG+ as something else, that's bologna. What a first officer does is defined by their duties on the ship which can vary.

    With TOS, Kirk didn't need Spock right next to him, and Spock was a scientist to begin with. It made sense for him to be the bridge science officer in addition to the first officer. If something happened to Kirk then Spock would take command and someone else would come in to take over the science station.

    In TNG Riker was much closer to Picard's side, to the point that he'd sometimes be the one to issue orders he knew the captain was thinking about, such as raising shields and such. He was also the first officer of a ship with over 1,000 people onboard and the first officer is often the person people go to for things in lieu of the captain. So he had his hands full without having a duty station of his own. He and Troi also served as advisors for Picard on more than one occasion.

    The other interesting example is DS9. When on the station it was very much like TNG, except Kira would also hold down the fort quite often while Sisko was in his office. When on the Defiant, however, it was akin to TOS- Kira had a duty station along the side rather than sitting next to Sisko. Her duties weren't pressing - communications and some sensors, as I recall - but she kept active.

    tl:dr version: The specifics of what first officers do isn't defined- only that they're the ones who take command if the captain is absent of incapacitated. Beyond that their duties and position can vary.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rikaelus wrote: »
    I don't need a game mechanic to label my first officer. I pick them, myself. In my case it's my tactical officer and the officer I got during the tutorial.

    As for the reference to TOS and implying that the first officer can't double in TNG+ as something else, that's bologna. What a first officer does is defined by their duties on the ship which can vary.

    With TOS, Kirk didn't need Spock right next to him, and Spock was a scientist to begin with. It made sense for him to be the bridge science officer in addition to the first officer. If something happened to Kirk then Spock would take command and someone else would come in to take over the science station.

    In TNG Riker was much closer to Picard's side, to the point that he'd sometimes be the one to issue orders he knew the captain was thinking about, such as raising shields and such. He was also the first officer of a ship with over 1,000 people onboard and the first officer is often the person people go to for things in lieu of the captain. So he had his hands full without having a duty station of his own. He and Troi also served as advisors for Picard on more than one occasion.

    The other interesting example is DS9. When on the station it was very much like TNG, except Kira would also hold down the fort quite often while Sisko was in his office. When on the Defiant, however, it was akin to TOS- Kira had a duty station along the side rather than sitting next to Sisko. Her duties weren't pressing - communications and some sensors, as I recall - but she kept active.

    tl:dr version: The specifics of what first officers do isn't defined- only that they're the ones who take command if the captain is absent of incapacitated. Beyond that their duties and position can vary.

    Hmm, that is true, what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I compared the Enterprise 1701 to the 1701-D without realizing that the D had 800 more people than the 1701 :) The defiant itself had no XO.

    So going on the lines you've laid out, i think what i actually want is an XO First Officer, specially once i get my hands on the Galaxy Class :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Actually, the obvious explanation to this is that the devs actually made a TOS game on a post-TNG setting.

    On TOS Spock was first a science officer, and on the background the XO. Kirk always headed away teams.

    That is cool, but i'm not playing TOS.

    I'd have to agree with this view. Of course, I am playing TOS as a game style. LOL
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Where is my number one? How come i don't get a number one? This is a fairly iconic aspect of ST.

    Your number one is having sex with all the hot chicks just like Riker.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Isn't a first officer more a role play thing? After all, what would a first officer do? In some star treks, the first officer or second in command has another job. Spock was the science officer. However, in TNG, the first officer, aka Will Riker, was more an administrator and the guy who when on away missions so the captain could stay on the ship. Otherwise, he did not do anything.

    For me, I think of the first officer in a more literal definition as simply the first officer I get from the Khitomer. If they added a first officer, other than some sort of general bonus, I am not sure what he would do.

    -Keppoch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Xbwalker wrote: »
    Your number one is having sex with all the hot chicks just like Riker.

    Dude, your avatar just has infinite degrees of formidable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, I think cryptic should do some aftertough on First Officers.

    It would be awesome to have First Officers-Specific abilities in Space like the Warp manouver thar Riker did once. He entered warp and got out so fast in front of the other ship and when it was distabilized he sh00t laz0rz at them.

    Why is this ability not in the game? Siganture move By Picard and Riker!
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