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Eurogamer reviews Star Trek Online

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/star-trek-online-review

"Star Trek Online has warped in unprepared, jury-rigged, piecemeal and scatterbrained. It's a jumble of broken-up content, inconsistent rules and half-finished systems that does a great job of throwing players together but a terrible job of keeping them together.."
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sounds about right. Sadly. Hope with all the cash Cryptic has raked in the fix things.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You forgot the score: 6/10

    Like I always say. Though very unfinished and in need of serious polishing, it has a very solid groundwork and can only get better.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    actually well written.

    i'm a fan of sto, but really do understand its flaws.

    a good read.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    A harsh, but fair review. It actually sums up my thoughts quite nicely, and I'm afraid that quite a lot of people will feel the same way.

    Yes, they will be adding more to it, but the question remains... will anyone still be around by the time that happens?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    A harsh, but fair review. It actually sums up my thoughts quite nicely, and I'm afraid that quite a lot of people will feel the same way.

    Yes, they will be adding more to it, but the question remains... will anyone still be around by the time that happens?

    Lifers. Maybe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    sambonz wrote: »
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/star-trek-online-review

    "Star Trek Online has warped in unprepared, jury-rigged, piecemeal and scatterbrained. It's a jumble of broken-up content, inconsistent rules and half-finished systems that does a great job of throwing players together but a terrible job of keeping them together.."

    Sounds about right, at least in my opinion.

    Eurogamer is my preferred gaming publication and I've not seen this yet, thanks for posting it.

    Edit: Just finished reading it, I pretty much concur with absolutely everything Mr. Walsh said.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Seems like a fair assessment. I enjoy the game but graded it a C+, which fits with Eurogamer's 6/10 rating.

    Thanks to the Star Trek appeal, I think STO will get enough of a playerbase to be able to afford significant improvements over time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes, they will be adding more to it, but the question remains... will anyone still be around by the time that happens?

    Yes

    10char
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ulfhedjinn wrote: »
    Sounds about right, at least in my opinion.

    Of course it is in your opinion, whose else would it be in?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    "Teamwork and tactics don't really come into play and ground combat remains an unchallenging, repetitive and random fracas" & "As ever with Cryptic, the whole thing is based on a head-scratchingly bizarre, unintuitive and poorly-explained RPG system" pretty much sums up my opinion so far.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    About right so far imo.

    Cryptic have a decent base product with a long way to go. Did get quite a bit wrong imo as well, but there ya go.

    So far, I'm ok to sub to it, and that is all that matters to me. and them, no doubt. When I'm not I will stop.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    montemj wrote: »
    Of course it is in your opinion, whose else would it be in?

    I say "in my opinion" or just "IMO" a whole lot, it tends to go a long way toward keeping the peace when I express them. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    A lot of that report was wrong but whatever. the same people go there that visit mmorpg. basically no-one thats worth a damn.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    tedgp123 wrote: »
    A lot of that report was wrong but whatever. the same people go there that visit mmorpg. basically no-one thats worth a damn.

    I didn't notice anything there that was factually wrong. Maybe you disagree with some of it, but that's what opinions are for.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    tedgp123 wrote: »
    A lot of that report was wrong but whatever.

    I am curious to know which parts of the review you found to be inaccurate.
    tedgp123 wrote: »
    the same people go there that visit mmorpg. basically no-one thats worth a damn.

    That's an ad hominem, and not really a base for argument.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Very accurate and good review I think.

    I doubt that STO will get any better reviews than that in it's current state.

    Still I enjoy, but for how long, remains to be seen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Knu wrote:
    Very accurate and good review I think.

    I doubt that STO will get any better reviews than that in it's current state.

    Still I enjoy, but for how long, remains to be seen.

    They will probably re-review it in a month or two. They did with Age Of Conan, and actually awarded it a higher score.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Despite all of these complaints, those hordes of starship captains are quite happy. They may not have many different things to do, and the missions and UI may be rather buggy, but there does seem to be enough content to sustain them - at least until the endgame - and even at its worst that content is knockabout fun with more instant appeal, and more suitability for casual, short-session, low-commitment play than most MMOs.

    Man, I just love it when publications talk down to me! The condescension in that last paragraph is palpable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    lol, well written?

    WTH is Jury-Rigged? That's more than a keystroke mistake away from "Jerry Rigged".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aurangzeb wrote:
    Despite all of these complaints, those hordes of starship captains are quite happy. They may not have many different things to do, and the missions and UI may be rather buggy, but there does seem to be enough content to sustain them - at least until the endgame - and even at its worst that content is knockabout fun with more instant appeal, and more suitability for casual, short-session, low-commitment play than most MMOs.

    Man, I just love it when publications talk down to me! The condescension in that last paragraph is palpable.

    They say you're quite happy, that there seems to be enough content to sustain you and that even the worst content in the same is pretty fun... And you're offended somehow? :D
    Tenaka wrote:
    lol, well written?

    WTH is Jury-Rigged? That's more than a keystroke mistake away from "Jerry Rigged".
    Wikipedia wrote:
    The phrase "jury rigged" has been in use since at least 1788.[1] However, the adjectival use of "jury" in the sense of makeshift or temporary dates from at least 1616, when it appeared in John Smith's A Description of New England.[1] It appeared again, in a similar passage, in Smith's more extensive The General History of Virginia, New-England, and the Summer Isles published in 1624.[2][3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_rig ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tenaka wrote:
    lol, well written?

    WTH is Jury-Rigged? That's more than a keystroke mistake away from "Jerry Rigged".

    Jury is the correct spelling......:rolleyes:

    Hopefully now cryptic will start to listen that quick money making will kill them in the long run.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Jury is the correct spelling......:rolleyes:

    Hopefully now cryptic will start to listen that quick money making will kill them in the long run.

    In this instance I will concede and admit I had never heard of Jury-rigged, but *had* heard of Jerry built/jerry rigged.

    *runs away, tail betwixt legs*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Exploration was one of the game's most exciting prospects - randomised planets, species and missions that would lend the game that all-important sense of discovery, of being somewhere no player had gone before - but is a dreadful disappointment, consisting of basic, poorly-refined and endlessly-recycled mission templates with a few variables thrown in.

    I'm very surprised by this part of the review. No one ever said that to Cryptic during closed beta, open beta and after launch. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The review is very accurate and well written I don't believe it to be harsh in any way, I bought STO just for a bit of fun and I know its not a game I can sink my teeth into and play with any great longevity mainly due to the repetitive aspect and instance based game-style.

    I believe any MMO being released onto the market now that decides to use the outdated unpopular instance based game-play is just doomed to be relegated to a casual game by the majority I will continue to play I am sure until a new persistent open world MMO comes along undoubtedly it will be KOTOR who have promised an open world with the smallest amount of instance based game-play possible but that's just me I prefer a game that pro-ports to be massively multi to actually feel like as such.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ulfhedjinn, what I got out of it was that I'm playing a buggy, boring game, and that if I'm enjoying myself it's because I'm a a Trekkie seeking wish fulfillment, a member of a "horde" who is wants simple, instant-appeal. Which, I don't believe, is either fair to me or the game.

    I'm suspicious of writers with chips on their shoulder. I'm suspicious of reviews for an MMO that come out within the week of launch. And I'm suspicious of game reviews that don't clarify when and how long the game was played. I guess Kotaku has spoiled me, eh.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'd also like to put my opinion in support of the "Harsh, but fair review" category. While the reviewer didn't go in depth with all of the problems with the game, he certainly went in depth with enough of them for people to get a fair view of the game in the current state.

    Yes, the end score is low, but what do you expect... I certainly feel that the game has been released too early, with a lot of problems that should have been fixed in an extended beta period. Nevertheless, despite it's problems, the game is fun and enjoyable, especially in space. I just hope that Cryptic can use the money they have earned now to get the game into a condition where it starts earning 8+/10 in a few months when these publications usually do their re-reviews.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well-written, reasoned, thoughtful, accurate review. And that is really sad, because, I really wanted to like STO. I've been playing a little bit every day since the last day of HS. Although STO has some strong points, I think, it comes down to this: Cryptic decided that going for the almighty dollar was more important than delivering a good gaming experience. It is unfinished, and not in that "all MMO's are unfinished" kind of way. It's half-done with half-effort.

    you can tell by the small things that weren't done, as well as the big things, how little care and detail went into this. Some of you are fine with that. hats off to ya. I only have time to devote to one MMO, so my bar is high(especially coming from EVE), and this is worth neither my time or my money. Uninstalled. and, cryptic: I can forgive bugs, crashes, all the stuff that anyone who's ever played an MMO knows goes with the territory. I don't forgive laziness and greed. Life is too short, and people are too broke right now for you to turn out TRIBBLE, charge 50 bucks for it, and insult everyone's intelligence by pretending you give a ****.

    You all really should be ashamed of yourselves. It's a hard world out there; people just wanted to have a game, in a world this iconic, that was worthy of the name "Star Trek". Gene Roddenberry must be rolling over in his grave, and you will never get me to play another one of your games again.
    Peace
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aurangzeb wrote:
    Ulfhedjinn, what I got out of it was that I'm playing a buggy, boring game, and that if I'm enjoying myself it's because I'm a a Trekkie seeking wish fulfillment, a member of a "horde" who is wants simple, instant-appeal. Which, I don't believe, is either fair to me or the game.

    Fair enough, I guess it's open to interpretation but to me it seemed like he was trying to end on a positive note.
    Aurangzeb wrote:
    I'm suspicious of writers with chips on their shoulder.

    Hmm, I don't know the guy and neither do you. Does he have a chip on his shoulder? :confused:
    Aurangzeb wrote:
    I'm suspicious of reviews for an MMO that come out within the week of launch. And I'm suspicious of game reviews that don't clarify when and how long the game was played. I guess Kotaku has spoiled me, eh.

    As I said earlier, Eurogamer reviews all new games. They re-review some MMOs a few months after launch too, so it'll be interesting to see how this game develops and how he feels about it then.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    GREAT review and 110% accurate at this point in time.. It seemed unbiased and fair.. If you disagree, try reading it again without the blinders and rose colored glasses :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes, but a review three days after launch, with no indication of exactly how much time this reviewer has put into the game?

    I agree with alot of what the man has to say; I'm not blindly defending STO. But this review strikes me as the equivalent of posting "First!" in a new thread: pumped out really fast, and decidedly negative.
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