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I need a clarification of the timeline, the STO and Abrams page states that the destruction of Romulus still happens and that Spock goes back in time which creates an alternate timeline. Fine I get that, that timeline was the latest movie.

Now the game is suppose to continue on the original timeline, CORRECT?
If so then Spock should have simply went into a blackhole and have never been heard of again.
So why first of all is he narrating the intro?
Second of all, why is it that in that timeline he mentions the destruction of Vulcan? Vulcan doesn't get destroyed in the original timeline, right?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Laxxium wrote: »
    I need a clarification of the timeline, the STO and Abrams page states that the destruction of Romulus still happens and that Spock goes back in time which creates an alternate timeline. Fine I get that, that timeline was the latest movie.

    Now the game is suppose to continue on the original timeline, CORRECT?
    If so then Spock should have simply went into a blackhole and have never been heard of again.
    So why first of all is he narrating the intro?
    Second of all, why is it that in that timeline he mentions the destruction of Vulcan? Vulcan doesn't get destroyed in the original timeline, right?

    better to have a well known trek character narate then just some random guy saying the lines. who better then Spock. The have original Spock doing some of the naration and then have new Spock doing the tutorial.



    Vulcan is still there. you can go visit it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Because it's Spock.

    /thread
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Spock specifically states in one of the speeches he's now in an alternate time line- the rest is just him providing 'background information' about what is going on. Also, when you do missions in the Romulan sector, one of the commanding officers tells you that both Spock and the Nero were lost in a black hole. Well, she uses the term for when a ship goes down, but I don't remember the term for it.

    The only thing I dislike about it, is that even in modern time, everyone says Nero's ship was OMG POWERFUL. .....

    It's a MINING SHIP. WTF?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Romulus is destroyed in 2387. It's 2409 now. It is entirely possible that in the twenty-two years between those dates, Spock managed to find a way back to the prime reality.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    People really have a hard time with this I guess. A story's narrator need not actually be a character in the story. Don't think of the spock narration as the actual character in the game talking to you.

    To further clarify, Spock is missing and presumed dead in 2409.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aris wrote:
    Romulus is destroyed in 2387. It's 2409 now. It is entirely possible that in the twenty-two years between those dates, Spock managed to find a way back to the prime reality.

    from the movie he said he was going to stay and help rebuild the Vulcan race so that young Spock could be on the Enterprise where he should be.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Scynix wrote: »
    The only thing I dislike about it, is that even in modern time, everyone says Nero's ship was OMG POWERFUL. .....

    It's a MINING SHIP. WTF?

    Well, according to the comic book prequel to the new Star Trek movie (Star Trek: Countdown), after the destruction of Romulus, Nero finds a secret Romulan outpost that has been experimenting with Borg technology. Nero tells them of the desctruction of Romulus and how he wants to go get revenge, so they outfit his ship with the Borg-ified weapons that they have developed. And this is why his ship is so powerful.

    There are no references to that outside of the comics, but that's the only attempt at an explanation that I've seen in any Star Trek media.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    First of all, I want to say that I don't have a major problem with Spock's narration at the beginning of the game. I thought it was a little silly that he was talking about all of these things that he never experienced, but I just figured that Cryptic was really excited to get nimoy to do the narration, and didn't bother with any detailed explanations (which is fine by me; he's just a narrator at this point).
    Aris wrote:
    Romulus is destroyed in 2387. It's 2409 now. It is entirely possible that in the twenty-two years between those dates, Spock managed to find a way back to the prime reality.

    But I don't buy this one bit. Mostly because if Spock were able to find a way to travel back to his own timeline, he could just travel to the same point in which he left. Or even better, he could travel to before that point and stop the destruction of Romulus altogether. But I don't want to go too far down this line of thinking, because it goes into time paradoxes and could eventually unravel the whole premise of the STO timeline.

    So I think we should just say that he's the narrator, and that's cool, and not worry about what time paradoxes it may or may not represent.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Arkalius80 wrote:
    People really have a hard time with this I guess. A story's narrator need not actually be a character in the story. Don't think of the spock narration as the actual character in the game talking to you.

    To further clarify, Spock is missing and presumed dead in 2409.

    But he does talk as if he's spock the character in the narration and mentions events in the alternate time line... That's why I was confused.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This is one of those things where you have to suspend your disbelief.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's not Spock, its Picard channeling Spock who as a parting jesture before going on his Red Matter Run gave Jon-Luc a quick refresher mind meld.... thats my story and I am sticking to it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Laxxium wrote: »
    But he does talk as if he's spock the character in the narration and mentions events in the alternate time line... That's why I was confused.

    Because they want the story to make sense to the player, not necessarily the character, and many players will have seen Star Trek XI, and some of limited intellect may very well go, 'but Spock isn't missing - he's in the new movie'.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think everyone is focusing on the wrong issue. TRIBBLE Spock and his narration. Its a narrator. He happens to be Lenard Nemoy. That's all there is to that.

    The more pressing issue is, Romulus is destroyed, so its going by the new film. The real question is, why is Vulcan still around other than because fans would flip out if it wasn't in the game, when by all rights it should be gone since it was destroyed when they went back in time. The solution of "well its an alternate timeline, so it won't effect the original time line" doesn't work, as its been established numerous times that going back in time does effect the current timeline, and why even bother having a temporal department if every change simply results in an offshoot universe?

    Either the "alternate timeline" never happened, or Cryptic decided to pick and choose which bits they were going to follow, in which case why even bother? Then again, I don't think they explain why the Undine suddenly want to attack everyone again after leaving on otherwise peaceful terms in the last episode they appeared in, so I'm not surprised that they don't seem to give a **** about being consistent.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Froggore wrote: »
    Well, according to the comic book prequel to the new Star Trek movie (Star Trek: Countdown), after the destruction of Romulus, Nero finds a secret Romulan outpost that has been experimenting with Borg technology. Nero tells them of the desctruction of Romulus and how he wants to go get revenge, so they outfit his ship with the Borg-ified weapons that they have developed. And this is why his ship is so powerful.

    There are no references to that outside of the comics, but that's the only attempt at an explanation that I've seen in any Star Trek media.
    This is explicitly referenced in several of the Romulan sector quests, as you try to stop them from developing more Narada-level ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Valkadesh wrote:
    I think everyone is focusing on the wrong issue. TRIBBLE Spock and his narration. Its a narrator. He happens to be Lenard Nemoy. That's all there is to that.

    The more pressing issue is, Romulus is destroyed, so its going by the new film. The real question is, why is Vulcan still around other than because fans would flip out if it wasn't in the game, when by all rights it should be gone since it was destroyed when they went back in time. The solution of "well its an alternate timeline, so it won't effect the original time line" doesn't work, as its been established numerous times that going back in time does effect the current timeline, and why even bother having a temporal department if every change simply results in an offshoot universe?

    Either the "alternate timeline" never happened, or Cryptic decided to pick and choose which bits they were going to follow, in which case why even bother? Then again, I don't think they explain why the Undine suddenly want to attack everyone again after leaving on otherwise peaceful terms in the last episode they appeared in, so I'm not surprised that they don't seem to give a **** about being consistent.

    Vulcan is "still around" because it wasn't destroyed in this timeline. Nero went to the other timeline, and destroyed Vulcan there. Logic.

    Oh, and also, the new film apparently changed the way time travel works, with branching consequences. But that would be pretty obvious if you understood the film...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mayweed wrote:
    Are you mentally deficient? Vulcan is "still around" because it wasn't destroyed in this timeline. Nero went to the other timeline, and destroyed Vulcan there. Logic.

    EDIT: Oh, and also, the new film apparently changed the way time travel works, with branching consequences. But that would be pretty obvious if you understood the film...

    Don't you just love it when people get snippy based on something they're wrong about?
    Ignorance is one thing. That's.. something different.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mayweed wrote:
    Are you mentally deficient? Vulcan is "still around" because it wasn't destroyed in this timeline. Nero went to the other timeline, and destroyed Vulcan there. Logic.

    EDIT: Oh, and also, the new film apparently changed the way time travel works, with branching consequences. But that would be pretty obvious if you understood the film...

    There's nothing obvious about the fact that "oh hey suddenly time travel works different!" The only thing to understand in the film is that the film takes place in an altered time line. As this is ahead of said film, it would make sense that Vulcan would still be destroyed. The only way it wouldn't make sense is in some TRIBBLE backwards "we time traveled again and stopped nero from time traveling the first time" scenario. There are huge debates about what the hell they did with the stupid 2009 movie as it doesn't explain itself well at all besides to set up room for more sequels. Simply saying "its this because I say so" isn't an explanation. In fact, going by the movie, there is EVERY reason to believe that the new timeline supersedes the old one and that by all rights Vulcan should be destroyed. (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/treknology/timetravel-trekxi.htm)

    I explained the problems with Vulcan being around in this timeline if it should technically be destroyed, as its been established there is one time line that changes bast off past events. "Alternate time line" is not the same as "alternate dimension". You're making assumptions in order to feel like some sort of "superior nerd". If you want that crown, by all means if it gets you to shut up.

    If anyone else has a reasonable answer, by all means. My consensus is that Vulcan should be destroyed due to events from the movie being referenced, by Cryptic decided to **** up the cohesion just so they could throw Vulcan in as a planet and marketing point as they knew vulcan fans would throw a huge ****ing fit if it wasn't in the game. In other words, might as well not even worry about it, because Cryptics version of the timeline and scenarios are completely off track anyway
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's pretty easy to understand. In "our" reality, Romulus was destroyed. Then Nero and Spock got sucked through a Red Matter-created black hole, never to be seen again. Everything in the movie after that was in a different reality. What's so hard to follow?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes for it all to make sense, the movie and the current game STO are alternate REALITIES not alternate TIMELINES.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    *bangs his head against a wall*

    http://www.startrekonline.com/startrek_xi

    Go. Read. If you still don't get it.... well... there's only so many ways to explain it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Scynix wrote: »
    The only thing I dislike about it, is that even in modern time, everyone says Nero's ship was OMG POWERFUL. .....

    It's a MINING SHIP. WTF?

    Not to mix universes.. but some of the designers of Star Wars superweapons were duped into thinking the Death Star's superlaser and World Devastators were for mining purposes: blow up a dead rock planet and scoop up all the minerals. Even in-universe you have the Genesis device, which transforms a planet into a viable (albeit very shortly due to unforeseen side-effects of protomatter) ecosphere. But it turns out using some of these industrially-useful devices on say, people or a city or a planet, is quite deadly. So to quote Dark Helmet "evil will always triumph because good is dumb".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rikaelus wrote: »
    *bangs his head against a wall*

    http://www.startrekonline.com/startrek_xi

    Go. Read. If you still don't get it.... well... there's only so many ways to explain it.

    Was that so ****ing hard? I had no idea Cryptic actually put up an explanation anywhere, and once again, it only makes sense assuming that what they did created an alternate reality rather than altering the time line (which it has done in every single episode to date). Without said "miracle explanation" there's no way to assume they're suddenly changing without reason how time travel works in star trek, so ****ing excuuuuuse me. God damn.
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