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TOS Constitution Class is a ... Light Cruiser?!!?!?!

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All the in-game information that's available, and all the information on Cryptic's website, lists the Constitution class as a Tier 2 cruiser.

But there seems to be a bug... the ship that I received is not a Cruiser, but in fact, is a Light Cruiser, though it has a bit more hull (12,000) and one more console than a standard Light Cruiser. However... the promised ship was a Constitution Class with one extra console, which should be a cruiser with three consoles.

That's what was advertised, and as far as I know, everybody who pre-ordered this fully expected that based on the ads. For example, I leveled to LC, and then got the Escort thinking that my Connie would be a Cruiser (why wouldn't I think that, since the Connie is listed as a cruiser everywhere). Otherwise, not only would I have taken a Cruiser instead of an Escort, then also I would have pre-ordered a different package.

I think it's only fair that Cryptic either update this ship to be a proper Cruiser, or, allow the players who received the bugged one to change their pre-order after the fact to receive something else of their choosing.

-s
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All the in-game information that's available, and all the information on Cryptic's website, lists the Constitution class as a Tier 2 cruiser.

    But there seems to be a bug... the ship that I received is not a Cruiser, but in fact, is a Light Cruiser, though it has a bit more hull (12,000) and one more console than a standard Light Cruiser. However... the promised ship was a Constitution Class with one extra console, which should be a cruiser with three consoles.

    That's what was advertised, and as far as I know, everybody who pre-ordered this fully expected that based on the ads. For example, I leveled to LC, and then got the Escort thinking that my Connie would be a Cruiser (why wouldn't I think that, since the Connie is listed as a cruiser everywhere). Otherwise, not only would I have taken a Cruiser instead of an Escort, then also I would have pre-ordered a different package.

    I think it's only fair that Cryptic either update this ship to be a proper Cruiser, or, allow the players who received the bugged one to change their pre-order after the fact to receive something else of their choosing.

    -s
    The movie era Connie is. The TOS connie is a T1 You can get the T2 at level 11
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i believe you are refering to the Constitution REFIT aka the movie version. the light cruiser version is from the Original Series from the 60's so technically it is a smaller version.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    yeah the TOS connie is to replace the Miranda then you can get the Movie Connie at lt commander
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The pre-order FAQ on the website has explained for at least a month that it's a starter ship. (That FAQ has been removed now that you can no-longer preorder, however.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All the in-game information that's available, and all the information on Cryptic's website, lists the Constitution class as a Tier 2 cruiser.

    But there seems to be a bug... the ship that I received is not a Cruiser, but in fact, is a Light Cruiser, though it has a bit more hull (12,000) and one more console than a standard Light Cruiser. However... the promised ship was a Constitution Class with one extra console, which should be a cruiser with three consoles.

    That's what was advertised, and as far as I know, everybody who pre-ordered this fully expected that based on the ads. For example, I leveled to LC, and then got the Escort thinking that my Connie would be a Cruiser (why wouldn't I think that, since the Connie is listed as a cruiser everywhere). Otherwise, not only would I have taken a Cruiser instead of an Escort, then also I would have pre-ordered a different package.

    I think it's only fair that Cryptic either update this ship to be a proper Cruiser, or, allow the players who received the bugged one to change their pre-order after the fact to receive something else of their choosing.

    -s

    No. Just, no.

    Read the Ship Charts and the special offer once again.

    The Constitution refit as seen in ST:TMP and Star Trek II is the T1 cruiser (in beta, the newb ship was referred to as T0).

    The TOS Constitution-class is the original Enterprise, from The Original Series. Considering the ship would be about two hundred years old during the timeframe of the game, it's no real wonder that it's considered T0. Matter of fact, if we were going for "realism" it'd be t-1, as a Miranda could handily beat a TOS Constitution.

    Given all this, you're suprised?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TOS Connie = T1 Light Cruiser with Blue Phasers and extra engineering slot.

    You must equip this from inventory after claiming from c-store and then make it the active ship from the Shipyard. In Sol this is close to the person you get one of your first missions from, Michael I believe.

    You can rename the ship and give it a new number. Free the first time.

    You can customize its textures if you want a darker look, I believe it goes from type 0a to 4a. Advanced settings allow patterns such as Orion, Virgo, Sagittarius etc.

    You cannot change the windows.

    Its everything I had hoped for for my T1 ship! Just hope to find two engineering consoles :).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    StarTuxia wrote: »
    TOS Connie = T1 Light Cruiser with Blue Phasers and extra engineering slot.

    You must equip this from inventory after claiming from c-store and then make it the active ship from the Shipyard. In Sol this is close to the person you get one of your first missions from, Michael I believe.

    You can rename the ship and give it a new number. Free the first time.

    You can customize its textures if you want a darker look, I believe it goes from type 0a to 4a. Advanced settings allow patterns such as Orion, Virgo, Sagittarius etc.

    You cannot change the windows.

    Its everything I had hoped for for my T1 ship! Just hope to find two engineering consoles :).

    Good info here. Thanks!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/stoshiptierchart1.png

    good reference

    and the starter ship was Tier=0 and Tier=5 was name the ship contest, which is the last tier...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's a lot more maneuverable and quicker than my Miranda. With the connie, If I fly into a group and realize that I am in trouble, I can hit evasive and actually fly out of range in time to save my hull from popping.

    I have basically the same gear on it that I do the Miranda but it's a lot faster. Totally different feel to fight in. I like mine :)

    Now the only real issue is the 8 ship limt we have imposed upon us by the game itself.

    Once you swap out weapons you lose the blue effect (unless of course you powerhue it)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/stoshiptierchart1.png

    good reference

    and the starter ship was Tier=0 and Tier=5 was name the ship contest, which is the last tier...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    StarTuxia wrote: »
    TOS Connie = T1 Light Cruiser with Blue Phasers and extra engineering slot.

    You must equip this from inventory after claiming from c-store and then make it the active ship from the Shipyard. In Sol this is close to the person you get one of your first missions from, Michael I believe.

    You can rename the ship and give it a new number. Free the first time.

    You can customize its textures if you want a darker look, I believe it goes from type 0a to 4a. Advanced settings allow patterns such as Orion, Virgo, Sagittarius etc.

    You cannot change the windows.

    Its everything I had hoped for for my T1 ship! Just hope to find two engineering consoles :).

    That extra engineering slot refers only to the extra console. You dont actually get to put an officer in it. So all you get is the passive benefit for the console.

    Also, the phasers are not, in fact, actually blue as promised but are the standard red. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    the starter ship was Tier=0 and Tier=5 was name the ship contest, which is the last tier...

    No. Go to the shipyard at Earth Spacedock. The new ships are Tier 5, combined with what you are trying to pass off as Tier 4. There is not a Tier 0 in this game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Actually the starter ships are tier 0 And the Phasers ARE blue if you use the default ones that come with the ship. Upgrade and you lose the color unless you do the /powerhue 0 240 deal

    (the 240 is the color itself.) A light blue would be like 200 where a dark blue is like 250 The other colors are there as well. Do a google for the color values. I saw another post on these forums with the color chart in it.

    In the case of the Connie, I personally don't feel to bad about modifying the phaser colors in order to keep the blue after fitting a more powerful weapon. Was using "Blue" dual Disrupters for a while this morning until I ended up switching back to default (as yeah it sort of sat wrong :))

    Anyway, that would be /powerhue 0 000 to reset your weapons back to default. And if you fit the weapons one at a time and then set the color, well you can set each weapon its own (and separate) color if you want. Have Red, White, and Blue on your cruiser if you'd like :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    incognitox wrote: »
    Actually the starter ships are tier 0 And the Phasers ARE blue if you use the default ones that come with the ship.

    Yeah, it took me a minute to realize those were the blue phasers. Then I checked the stats and realized they're effectively Mk II phasers with 2% crit, so I'm actually running them on my full cruiser at Lt Commander still.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    there the only ones I've seen in game that specify fore or aft phasers. I still have mine but not fitted on a ship at the moment. I purposely meandered in headstart so as to still need the ship when I got it but have realized that the Connie is a tier 0 (PLUS) ship. My Connie smokes my Miranda even with the same gear on each. Compare your performance between the two and see what you think.

    I'll keep and use the Connie long after I leave Lieutenant rank.

    Connie tier 0 and then the Connie from the first movie for Tier 1 :) Just gonna go that route for a bit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    incognitox wrote: »
    Actually the starter ships are tier 0

    No, they are not. There is no Tier 0. Like I said, go to the Ship Requisitions room in the Shipyard. Read the descriptions of the Cruiser/Science/Escort vessels. It says Tier 2. Since you get those after the Miranda, that makes the Miranda Tier 1. Also, go to the Tier 5 description. It has six ships listed. That means that there are six ships in Tier 5. Still don't believe me? Look at at the Ships skill listings on the skill page. You'll see six ship skills in the Tier 5 group. In the Tier 2 group, you'll see skills for Cruisers, Science vessels and Escorts. Again, since you get those after the Miranda, the Miranda is a Tier 1 vessel.

    There is no Tier 0.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Stepping away from the game a sec...the TOS Enterprise was a Command Cruiser; in the movie it was a CCX, or Command Cruiser refit. THAT was 200 years ago.

    To put it another way, the USS Constitution is the oldest commisioned ship in the US Navy. It is a 44 gun Frigate launched in 1797; at the time she probably would have been considered a heavy cruiser at least, or perhaps pocket battleship. However, if she was to join the US Atlantic Fleet as a warship today...do you think she'd STILL be classified as a heavy cruiser? Heck, a couple of Somali pirates in a leaking rowboat with 1 RPG could probably take her on now and win. So, yes, the Constitution class WAS a heavy cruiser at one time; but now it's a light cruiser.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No, they are not. There is no Tier 0. Like I said, go to the Ship Requisitions room in the Shipyard. Read the descriptions of the Cruiser/Science/Escort vessels. It says Tier 2. Since you get those after the Miranda, that makes the Miranda Tier 1. Also, go to the Tier 5 description. It has six ships listed. That means that there are six ships in Tier 5. Still don't believe me? Look at at the Ships skill listings on the skill page. You'll see six ship skills in the Tier 5 group. In the Tier 2 group, you'll see skills for Cruisers, Science vessels and Escorts. Again, since you get those after the Miranda, the Miranda is a Tier 1 vessel.

    There is no Tier 0.


    well regardless of what that says...

    Look at Suricatas ship chart for example. I'll use the cruiser line to explain (the starter ships are the starter ships regardless of which path you take but for this lets stick to cruisers) Suricata's chart however useful it may be if not exactly "official" documentation but keeping that in mind what follows at lease can help explain the confusion.

    we have:

    Tier 0 = Light Crusiers -> Starter ships and the special Connie
    Connie, Miranda, Centaur, and Shikahr

    Tier 1 = Cruser
    Constitution (from the movies), Excalibur, and Vesper

    Tier 2 = Heavy Cruser
    Cheyenne, Stargazer, and Dakota

    Tier 3 = Exploration Cruiser
    Galaxy, Envoy, and Celestial

    Tier 4 = Assault Cruiser
    Sovereign, Noble, and Majestic

    Tier 5 = Star Cruiser
    Avenger, Vanguard, and Emissary

    personally I still consider the Miranda and the others Tier 0. Not like we haven't seen any mistakes in the client so far have we. Looking at rank requirements though lends weight to what you are saying however. 4 ships in tier 1, then 3 for tier 2, 3 for tier 3, 3 for tier 4, and 6 for tier 5?

    Edited to add the following:

    I concede the point. I think you are in fact right on this topic. I stand corrected.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All the in-game information that's available, and all the information on Cryptic's website, lists the Constitution class as a Tier 2 cruiser.

    But there seems to be a bug... the ship that I received is not a Cruiser, but in fact, is a Light Cruiser, though it has a bit more hull (12,000) and one more console than a standard Light Cruiser. However... the promised ship was a Constitution Class with one extra console, which should be a cruiser with three consoles.

    That's what was advertised, and as far as I know, everybody who pre-ordered this fully expected that based on the ads. For example, I leveled to LC, and then got the Escort thinking that my Connie would be a Cruiser (why wouldn't I think that, since the Connie is listed as a cruiser everywhere). Otherwise, not only would I have taken a Cruiser instead of an Escort, then also I would have pre-ordered a different package.

    I think it's only fair that Cryptic either update this ship to be a proper Cruiser, or, allow the players who received the bugged one to change their pre-order after the fact to receive something else of their choosing.

    -s

    Your avatar says it all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    incognitox wrote: »
    well regardless of what that says...

    Look at Suricatas ship chart for example. I'll use the cruiser line to explain (the starter ships are the starter ships regardless of which path you take but for this lets stick to cruisers)

    we have:

    Tier 0 = Light Crusiers -> Starter ships and the special Connie
    Connie, Miranda, Centaur, and Shikahr

    Tier 1 = Cruser
    Constitution (from the movies), Excalibur, and Vesper

    Tier 2 = Heavy Cruser
    Cheyenne, Stargazer, and Dakota

    Tier 3 = Exploration Cruiser
    Galaxy, Envoy, and Celestial

    Tier 4 = Assault Cruiser
    Sovereign, Noble, and Majestic

    Tier 5 = Star Cruiser
    Avenger, Vanguard, and Emissary

    personally I still consider the Miranda and the others Tier 0. Not like we haven't seen any mistakes in the client so far have we. Looking at rank requirements though lends weight to what you are saying however. 4 ships in tier 1, then 3 for tier 2, 3 for tier 3, 3 for tier 4, and 6 for tier 5?

    No, I'm telling you what the game says:

    Tier 1 - Miranda

    Tier 2 - Cruiser

    Tier 3 - Heavy Cruiser

    Tier 4 - Exploration Cruiser

    Tier 5 - Assault Cruiser AND Star Cruiser

    Again, if you don't believe me, ACTUALLY READ THE DESCRIPTIONS IN THE GAME. They confirm this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    :) I had edited my response but you caught me before I saved the change. I agree with you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    incognitox wrote: »
    :) I had edited my response but you caught me before I saved the change. I agree with you.

    Fair enough. That said, it's been explained for months that the TOS Connie from Gamestop was different than the Tier 2 Connie. OP needs to chill.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    the constellation class was once consided a dreadnaught, now its a heavy cruiser, ships get bigger, reffitted, reclassified, i dont have the TOS connie but it does seem to give fold a slight advantage over the miranda so why the complaining? would you have prefered to have to wait to play with it, wait until LtCmdr?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I just wish the TOS Connie had blue phasers no matter what you put on it. As it is now I replaced the ones it comes with almost immediately as I already had better from the headstart period.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    at least until they eliminate the option, just "reset" whatever you upgraded to to be blue :) I personally would only do it for the Connie as it's suppsoed to have blue phasers :) I was running with dual blue disrupters for a bit before i reset em back to default. Looking for some dual phasers atm.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    incognitox wrote: »
    at least until they eliminate the option, just "reset" whatever you upgraded to to be blue :) I personally would only do it for the Connie as it's suppsoed to have blue phasers :) I was running with dual blue disrupters for a bit before i reset em back to default. Looking for some dual phasers atm.

    Yeah I am doing that but the devs have already said its going to be "fixed" soon, enjoy while we can I guess.

    Edit: Not like we have much use for this ship once we hit the next tier.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All the in-game information that's available, and all the information on Cryptic's website, lists the Constitution class as a Tier 2 cruiser.

    But there seems to be a bug... the ship that I received is not a Cruiser, but in fact, is a Light Cruiser, though it has a bit more hull (12,000) and one more console than a standard Light Cruiser. However... the promised ship was a Constitution Class with one extra console, which should be a cruiser with three consoles.

    That's what was advertised, and as far as I know, everybody who pre-ordered this fully expected that based on the ads. For example, I leveled to LC, and then got the Escort thinking that my Connie would be a Cruiser (why wouldn't I think that, since the Connie is listed as a cruiser everywhere). Otherwise, not only would I have taken a Cruiser instead of an Escort, then also I would have pre-ordered a different package.

    I think it's only fair that Cryptic either update this ship to be a proper Cruiser, or, allow the players who received the bugged one to change their pre-order after the fact to receive something else of their choosing.

    -s

    It was sold as the "original" Constitution class Star Ship and as a Tier 1 ship which is a light cruiser. It is also a darn good starter ship.

    Gadareth
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    kamui wrote: »
    Stepping away from the game a sec...the TOS Enterprise was a Command Cruiser; in the movie it was a CCX, or Command Cruiser refit. THAT was 200 years ago.

    This sounds like a Star Fleet Battles player to me. Kamui, did you play SFB?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Callasan wrote: »
    No. Just, no.

    Read the Ship Charts and the special offer once again.

    The Constitution refit as seen in ST:TMP and Star Trek II is the T1 cruiser (in beta, the newb ship was referred to as T0).

    The TOS Constitution-class is the original Enterprise, from The Original Series. Considering the ship would be about two hundred years old during the timeframe of the game, it's no real wonder that it's considered T0. Matter of fact, if we were going for "realism" it'd be t-1, as a Miranda could handily beat a TOS Constitution.

    Given all this, you're suprised?

    OK, please explain what the point is of having a head-start where you don't get the "starter" ship? My poimt is that I expected Cryptic held the TOS Connie until launch since no one would be LC until then.

    Of course, during the head start, when you got to LC, then you had to pick a ship. Why then would you pick a Constitution class, when you're supposed to get one the next morning?

    There was never anywhere that it was made clear that it was going to be a Light Cruiser. The words "Light Cruiser" never appeared in any mention of it. All their support docs list the Constitution class as a Cruiser. Cryptic's and Gamestop's websites both had it just described as a "Constitution class" ship. All the threads I could find and all the players in my fleet that I talked to thought it would be a Cruiser that you would use once you hit LC, since you had been playing for four days before you would get it.

    The "ship chart" you reference doesn't list the 12000-hull thing I received, so even they are not accurate, unless I am missing something. I am sure that chart is nowhere to be found in the "manual" that is found on the website and in the box.

    I would not be complaining had this item been given at the beginning of head start. Nor would the Joined Trill folks. Cryptic ought to do right by the customers that were misled by their lack of clarity, lack of adequate documentation, and poor planning. What do they stand to lose for correcting a simple mistake/oversight? It's just a matter of principal and ethics.

    I will not lose sleep over this, but I mean, I feel they severely nerfed these bonuses and did not deliver what was promised. Maybe they had their reasons, but I think it's really wrong to mislead people, though hopefully it was just a simple mistake and they will correct it. I have submitted a ticket on this, so we'll see.

    I am not upset at this point, I just want to know how they plan to address this. Because I'm sure they want to do right by us.
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