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Petition: Put STO back into beta status

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Do the right thing like Toyota did before it is too late.

1- Put the game back into open beta status
2- Reschedule head start
3- Reschedule "release" date
4- Allow everyone who buys the game access to the new "open beta" , but only pre-order customers get the headstart.
5- Fix the queue issue properly
6- Get the game properly ready for release before you actually hit a release date



Oh, yeah.. and call you Effing employees that are on their weekend back to the office today (sunday)


Star Trek is in the exclusive club of being a recognizeable franchise that has an international audience that is almost beyond comparison. This is the first official Star Trek MMO (that I can think of). If you are planning on mining this gold mine you better start acting like professionals.

Just because you have the rights to this MMO franchise doesnt mean you have what it takes to make use of it. In the next 7 days all of the "TREKKIES"/"Trekkers, ect" will decide if you are WORTHY of the "Star Trek" mantle or not.

Make up your mind, we are watching. Grow some stones and operate this MMO right, or, believe me, the ST fanbase will leave en masse. This game has the potential to make you tons of cash, or wreck your corporate profits.


Poll/ petition: Vote on repealing curent release date and postponing/resetting head start. please do not rant. Vote w short response.



Thank you & good luck everyone


~Rhomulus
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They'll never do it (it would be a PR fiasco even bigger than chronic downtime), but I agree anyway.

    It's clearly still a beta product.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We tried to tell them in open beta when all this started happening (the expected "unexpected" downtimes, the server lag, the login issues, etc, that they needed to delay release to fix it.

    They didn't listen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    yea that ain't gunna happen
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    yea that ain't gunna happen

    Its been done before. They also have the option of pushing out the first day people pay for the game. Cryptic has several options available to them to rectify the situation in a professional manner, actually.

    This is no longer beta.. this is Head Start. The undenyable difference is only PAYING CUSTOMERS are supposed to be here now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rhomulus wrote: »
    Do the right thing like Toyota did before it is too late.

    1- Put the game back into open beta status
    2- Reschedule head start
    3- Reschedule "release" date
    4- Allow everyone who buys the game access to the new "open beta" , but only pre-order customers get the headstart.
    5- Fix the queue issue properly
    6- Get the game properly ready for release before you actually hit a release date



    Oh, yeah.. and call you Effing employees that are on their weekend back to the office today (sunday)


    Star Trek is in the exclusive club of being a recognizeable franchise that has an international audience that is almost beyond comparison. This is the first official Star Trek MMO (that I can think of). If you are planning on mining this gold mine you better start acting like professionals.

    Just because you have the rights to this MMO franchise doesnt mean you have what it takes to make use of it. In the next 7 days all of the "TREKKIES"/"Trekkers, ect" will decide if you are WORTHY of the "Star Trek" mantle or not.

    Make up your mind, we are watching. Grow some stones and operate this MMO right, or, believe me, the ST fanbase will leave en masse. This game has the potential to make you tons of cash, or wreck your corporate profits.


    Poll/ petition: Vote on repealing curent release date and postponing/resetting head start. please do not rant. Vote w short response.



    Thank you & good luck everyone


    ~Rhomulus

    I agree with what you are saying but for the same token every MMO starts out with bumps from all the ones I have played so as we always say patience will help you weather the storm as always.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    go fk off and do something else... I love that they opened to early for it to be done... waiting another few months or year on it... dont think so... m***n complaining little B***h

    Get lost
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They would lsoe more money recalling all the the games and all the marketing TRIBBLE then they would from all the crybaby kids who cant take not playing for a few hours.

    Have you not heard of the ford pinto? They knew it exploded but lawsuits are cheaper to settle then a total recall
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Won't happen. The financial wheels are already in motion, and they are unstoppable. It should have remained in closed Beta for at least another month, but what's done is done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    go fk off and do something else... I love that they opened to early for it to be done... waiting another few months or year on it... dont think so... m***n complaining little B***h

    Get lost

    wow. bitter much?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    When I have been playing apart from long load times to enter instances, I have not experienced that many problems - the 'rubber banding' is getting better and not that bad but at least the game is playable - the only thing that is frustrating me is that all this 'down-time' is happening during peak times and about the only time I get to enjoy my pleasure time. 5 hours of game play in 3 days is not exactly value for money...

    Is it not possible to look at the problems and then try to solve them over-night when the majority of users are logged off and not during main peak times....

    And why does the server have to be down for hours at a time - it doesn't take me hours to install a patch....?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rhomulus wrote: »
    Do the right thing like Toyota did before it is too late.

    1- Put the game back into open beta status
    2- Reschedule head start
    3- Reschedule "release" date
    4- Allow everyone who buys the game access to the new "open beta" , but only pre-order customers get the headstart.
    5- Fix the queue issue properly
    6- Get the game properly ready for release before you actually hit a release date



    Oh, yeah.. and call you Effing employees that are on their weekend back to the office today (sunday)


    Star Trek is in the exclusive club of being a recognizeable franchise that has an international audience that is almost beyond comparison. This is the first official Star Trek MMO (that I can think of). If you are planning on mining this gold mine you better start acting like professionals.

    Just because you have the rights to this MMO franchise doesnt mean you have what it takes to make use of it. In the next 7 days all of the "TREKKIES"/"Trekkers, ect" will decide if you are WORTHY of the "Star Trek" mantle or not.

    Make up your mind, we are watching. Grow some stones and operate this MMO right, or, believe me, the ST fanbase will leave en masse. This game has the potential to make you tons of cash, or wreck your corporate profits.


    Poll/ petition: Vote on repealing curent release date and postponing/resetting head start. please do not rant. Vote w short response.



    Thank you & good luck everyone


    ~Rhomulus

    Wow, you really told them didn't you...:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They wanted at least 3 more months of testing but that doesn't fit with Ataris schedule. Cryptic had a timeline which they haven't been able to meet which is why I am sticking around because once they are finished this game is going to be brilliant
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WHy do people keep making petitions when they close any thread that says PETITION in it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They would lsoe more money recalling all the the games and all the marketing TRIBBLE then they would from all the crybaby kids who cant take not playing for a few hours.

    Have you not heard of the ford pinto? They knew it exploded but lawsuits are cheaper to settle then a total recall

    They dont have to recall the product, just push out the beta. Actually there are several alternatives. Fundamentally, they need to do something, IMHO, to acknowledge that customers are paying for their product as of Friday and it is not yet a complete product.

    Look, this happens all the time to many games. Just look at Vanguard for an example on what happens when a company releases a product unfinished.

    They don't HAVE to do anything. Ultimately, it Is up to Cryptic, but beta is over. This is the start of when they will start to bleed customers en masse if they dont shore up their situation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    non sign, un-sign, horrible idea, ya hey cryptic dont fix things and have them be much much better in a couple days to a week, loose a ton of money and listen to the OP, get out if you can't handle it
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    +$ = go ahead with launch regardless of issues
    -$ = stop and fix the issues by postponing launch

    cryptic chooses ...

    :: drum roll ::

    +$

    :eek:

    Who'd-a-thunk-it?!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Head start is more like last chance beta for these guys. It's a chance to try and correct some last minute stuff before the big release. Though I'd love to see some numbers a month from now because the amount of people that I know that opted for a lifetime is staggering......
    Anyways it'd be hard to put the game into beta again....especially since thats where we are now.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We spent 5 years telling SOE the same thing when it came to Galaxies...we told them before release...


    and they didnt listen


    Cryptic will be no different, its all about the bottom line now...get the game out there and start making money instead of costing money....


    welcome to game development in general....sadly :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rhomulus wrote: »
    wow. bitter much?

    just sick of this thread that repeats itself lmao... dont want to wait another several months to play...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    just sick of this thread that repeats itself lmao... dont want to wait another several months to play...

    *shrug* fair enough. I dont think they should keep people from playing either. Minimally, they could just give *everyone* 1-2 "free" days (before starting payment system) .. of course.. this doenst do anything for the lifers but.. wth.. the $300 lifer idea before even head start was... IMHO.. a scary grab for cash at best. . .a horrid idea for PR because it makes it difficult as all hell to "compensate" those players if something like this happens .. just IMHO
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    just sick of this thread that repeats itself lmao... dont want to wait another several months to play...

    yeah with the way its going so far, theres gonna be alot of ' play time ' at this rate, with the system they have going.. /laughs.. wait till its LIVE.. you think its bad now, enjoy triple the population an double the fail..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rhomulus wrote: »
    Just because you have the rights to this MMO franchise doesnt mean you have what it takes to make use of it. In the next 7 days all of the "TREKKIES"/"Trekkers, ect" will decide if you are WORTHY of the "Star Trek" mantle or not.

    That's it. I'm done. Y'all either need to file a petition with your respective governments to make "Trekkie" a recognized religion or y'all need to just shut your damn mouths.

    This **** is fracking ridiculous.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    THe game is great: Fun and emmersive

    They will get it stable, I"m looking forward to additions like real bridge and ship interior play, not just a meeting place. I really want to see 3d space flight not 2.45 lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Okay, I'm gonna put myself on the line here in a bit of defense for the Cryptic guys. I'm a bit biased, perhaps, as I've met a few of them and they're good guys and I have a ton of friends in the game industry just in general.

    Cryptic didn't pick the release schedule, their publisher Atari did. In the game business there's the money people and the developers. Just like in any other industry, the money people only see the bottom line and don't see what goes INTO the bottom line. They don't care, they have their pretty little schedule and they want to stick with it. In this case, Cryptic is working with a publisher who has had a number of problems over the years and so they probably don't have as deep of pockets as they'd need to SURVIVE pushing back the release date. So there's the first problem with putting the game back in beta, the negative press would kill them financially. Far fewer people will complain about server queues than would complain about showing up on Tuesday to find the game's been pushed back. The time to make that decision would have been Q409, not now.

    The second problem with the 'get your employees back' is that odds are the employees ARE there. When a game is going towards being live it's an all hands on deck operation. With a single-player game it's the weeks before the game goes gold and gets sent for duplication, when an MMO it's the weeks and months before the game goes live. Employees will work 10 and 12 hour days 6+ days a week, often sleeping in the office, in order to get the game out on time. Many of these same employees are salaried and not hourly, so they're not even getting paid extra for working 60+ hour weeks.

    I don't doubt for a minute that the employees at Cryptic are busting their butts trying to get this thing fixed up. It's not laziness, no game developer can afford lazy employees, it's just a lack of time and running into problems combined with having a proverbial gun to their head from their publisher.

    Cut 'em some slack, they're working on it. I'm incredibly frustrated as well, but it's not (as you implied) that they're not trying to fix the problems.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    That's it. I'm done. Y'all either need to file a petition with your respective governments to make "Trekkie" a recognized religion or y'all need to just shut your damn mouths.

    This **** is fracking ridiculous.

    HAHA! aight BSGer .. ait for your own MMO's turn :rolleyes:

    Its called humor :cool: btw-- Jedi is a religion. .. Just saying...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    akadion wrote: »
    Okay, I'm gonna put myself on the line here in a bit of defense for the Cryptic guys. I'm a bit biased, perhaps, as I've met a few of them and they're good guys and I have a ton of friends in the game industry just in general.

    Cryptic didn't pick the release schedule, their publisher Atari did. In the game business there's the money people and the developers. Just like in any other industry, the money people only see the bottom line and don't see what goes INTO the bottom line. They don't care, they have their pretty little schedule and they want to stick with it. In this case, Cryptic is working with a publisher who has had a number of problems over the years and so they probably don't have as deep of pockets as they'd need to SURVIVE pushing back the release date. So there's the first problem with putting the game back in beta, the negative press would kill them financially. Far fewer people will complain about server queues than would complain about showing up on Tuesday to find the game's been pushed back. The time to make that decision would have been Q409, not now.

    The second problem with the 'get your employees back' is that odds are the employees ARE there. When a game is going towards being live it's an all hands on deck operation. With a single-player game it's the weeks before the game goes gold and gets sent for duplication, when an MMO it's the weeks and months before the game goes live. Employees will work 10 and 12 hour days 6+ days a week, often sleeping in the office, in order to get the game out on time. Many of these same employees are salaried and not hourly, so they're not even getting paid extra for working 60+ hour weeks.

    I don't doubt for a minute that the employees at Cryptic are busting their butts trying to get this thing fixed up. It's not laziness, no game developer can afford lazy employees, it's just a lack of time and running into problems combined with having a proverbial gun to their head from their publisher.

    Cut 'em some slack, they're working on it. I'm incredibly frustrated as well, but it's not (as you implied) that they're not trying to fix the problems.

    If this all is the case (minus the money vs developer part) then Cryptic needs one.. ONE guy to take a few minutes to send out an alert explaining (and time framing)why :

    ONLY 4 out of the 13 servers associated with this game are currently online.



    Everything you say is possible, of course. its also entirely plausable that all the beta emergency patches just coincidentally always happened at about 5-7pm for their time zone.... Which was stupid as well.. Yeah. Remember that.


    Today is January 31st, Sunday. We are NOT in beta anymore. Beta excuses no longer apply. . . though, with respect, I am sure there are human beings currently at Cryptic all but bleeding on their keyboard trying to fix the problem.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What ever here is more chese for all your whine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What ever here is more chese for all your whine.

    Eye Lubz Cheese!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Wow....don't you have ANYTHING else to do? Seriously this petition is ridiculous.
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