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OK I know there is probably a thousand upset life time members right now about this special Borg gift that we get for paying $240+ US Dollars for a life time membership.

The $240 dollars is for the Life time membership...That is Great in it self Thank you for that Cryptic & Atari :D

The playable Borg we get is "Nerfed" & has no skills to specializes in Guns or Martial Arts compared to other races that you can get. Other races that you can choose from will get 1 to 3 race traits plus you get to choose 1 to 3 other skill traits depending on what race you pick. Here is the problem.... Not all the Trait skills tree will be displayed.....& this extends out not just the Borg but other races as well.

The Borg only has one good space trait that is part of its race traits and that is "Efficient.: The Borg "Nanites" is OK as well....But here is the problem...Other than the one obvious choice you get in the open skill tree which is the "Borg Neural Blast" the Borg has no other useful attack traits. everything in the skill tree is for defense passive & mostly useless for space & ground.

Here is what I propose that Cryptic & Atari can take into consideration for the next patch before we go live to the open public.

{#1} Problem with Borg: is they are not really good at anything. They cant specialize in Guns nor Martial Arts, They will not do well with guns or any weapons because they do not have the Soldier skill to choose from. {Borg should have had an attached arm Gun and a full Borg out fit ..But thats another discussion.}

(#2) Problem with Borg: They are not good at Hand-To-Hand Martial Arts combat...Even tho they do have "Nanites" it is a close range ground skill. But thats it.... no Covert skill. They do have Physical Strength but thats not enough to specialize into Martial Arts with... You need Covert as well.

Please Cryptic & Atari take these next suggestions into serious consideration for the next patch before we go live to the entire world.

Please open up the skill tree fully for Borg characters like you have it for the Unknown Alien builds. Or at least please and in a ground weapons skill for guns & Hand-to-hand such as:

Covert for Martial Arts
Soldier for Guns

Thank you for your time & Considerations. :)
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Why are their tonnes of post complaing about the BONUS to their lifetime sub? Unless you paid $240 for a borg character then. LMAO @ U
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The $240 is for a life time membership. The Borg is a bonus. You should really just give your money to someone with more intelligence.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I paid 240$ to play the game whenever I wanted. The liiberated borg is just a bonus so really now, QFT!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Why do people keep wanting more from lifetime subscription.

    The borg is just a minor bonus, you aren't paying for BORG, you are paying so you never have to do monthly subscriptions. In a year and a half that lifetime subscription for itself, alot of poeple play a MMO more then that, take WoW for example. People been playing for several years now.

    And seriously, I don't want to see some superpowered race in game just because you 'paid' for it. Borg is just a small bonus, thats all it's going to be ;) If that occurs, then the game will become very lame quickly. You are paying for lifetime, everything else is a bonus.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    vickisrum wrote: »
    The $240 is for a life time membership. The Borg is a bonus.

    This......
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    D-Animal wrote:
    Why are their tonnes of post complaing about the BONUS to their lifetime sub? Unless you paid $240 for a borg character then. LMAO @ U

    Exactly. I didn't pay $240 for a race. I paid $240 so I never have to pay any more money for this, outside of expansions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wow. People just amaze me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lotus-cmt wrote:
    OK I know there is probably a thousand upset life time members right now about this special Borg gift that we get for paying $240+ US Dollars for a life time membership.

    The playable Borg we get is "Nerf-ed" compared to other races that you can get. Other races that you can choose from will get 1 to 3 race traits plus you get to choose 1 to 3 other skill traits depending on what race you pick. Here is the problem.... Not all the Trait skills tree will be displayed.....& this extends out not just the Borg but other races as well.

    The Borg only has one good space trait that is part of it race traits and that is "Efficient.: The Borg "Nanites" is OK as well....But here is the problem...Other than the one obvious choice you get in the open skill tree which is the "Borg Neural Blast" the Borg has no other usefully attack traits. everything in the skill tree is for defense passive & mostly useless for space & ground.

    Here is what I propose that Cryptic & Atari can take into consideration for the next patch before we go live to the open public.

    {#1} Problem with Borg is they a not really good at anything. They will not do well with guns or any weapons because the do not have the Soldier skill to choose from. {Borg should have had an attached arm Gun and a full Borg out fit ..But thats another discussion.}

    (#2) Problem with Borg: They are not good at Hand-To-Hand Martial Arts combat...Even tho they do have "Nanites" it is a close range ground skill. But thats it no Covert skill. They do have Physical Strength but thats not enough to specialize into Martial Arts with... You need Covert as well.

    Please Cryptic & Atari take these next suggestions into serious consideration for the next patch before we go live to the entire world.

    Please open up the skill tree fully for Borg characters like you have it for the Unknown Alien builds. Or at least please and in a ground weapons skill for guns & Hand-to-hand such as:

    Covert for Martial Arts
    Soldier for Guns

    Thank you for your time & Considerations. :)

    You paid that much for a LIFETIME SUB, the Borg was just a bonus.... If you were willing to pay $240 for an extra character model I have a bridge I need to sell.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Astounding...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You mention that they should have FULL Borg outfitting with gun arms.

    Silly. That's a regular Borg. Not a liberated one.

    I figure they could end up adding the real Borg as a playable race years down the line in an expansion. Could be neat.

    But long before they do that, they will add the Cardassian/Romulan faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Sorry to say it but it sounds to me the same as "I paid for this game i should be able to make a jedi and not have to work for it!" sorry couldn't resist its a BONUS if it sucks don't make a borg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You paid $60 or $70 less for a lifetime that anyone else after the 2nd. Also anyone paying after that won't even get the Borg. The borg is a BONUS that means it's free. I paid for 2 years because I expect I will be playing for longer than that and if I ever need a break I can take one and not worry about payments and such. Seriously the nerve of some people
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I bought Lifetime for two more Slots.

    Its nice to have the option to play as a borg, but really its no biggie...

    How about someone makes up a fewq constructive points on the best way to build a Borg?

    For me the available traits suggest support role..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I bought the lifetime to play for the lifetime of the product. I like my Borg tho... I even started a Borg Klingon.

    I'm not upset at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    @OP: if they had made that liberated borg so powerful, you'd see all the non-lifetimers ranting over it because it would have been a real-money based advantage. As previously stated, you don't buy jedi characters in MMOs, unless they're F2P. And bad ones.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Cryptic walks a fine line here. If they make the playable Borg have a non-miniscule advantage, it becomes a "pay for power" game, and very few people want that, especially if they're forking out $15/month to play. If you don't like the playable Borg, don't play it. Enjoy not having to pay $15/ month.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The only problem with Borg is that they can't take the Techie trait. This is silly and very unfair to Liberated Borg Engineering captains which could really use this trait.

    I'm also not convinced that Nanites regenerates correctly (it may be bugged).

    Borgs may have gun arms, but we aren't Borg. We're Liberated Borg which means we've returned to the Human race with a couple of left over enhancements.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    to the OP. That is why we have away teams. To fill out abilities. Oh and where did you get the idea Borg where warriors? All they do is assimulate. They are a high tech race. I've never seen a Borg do a karate kick.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ikkei wrote: »
    @OP: if they had make that liberated borg so powerful, you'd see all the non-lifetimers ranting over it because it would have been a real-money based advantage. As previously stated, you don't buy jedi characters in MMOs, unless they're F2P. And bad ones.

    i agree with this, they couldnt release the lib borg like they were in the shows and movies. they would be very over powered.
    we bought a lt for this game :), and the borg is just a perk. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i just want more options to take the 80's camcorder off my eye...other than that i will take it as what it was a "bonus" and im happy with it, apart from the little thing i stated above lol :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I paid for the Liberated Borg. I don't care for the Lifetime Subscription.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Cryptic remains true to their promise, so far, not to ever sell anything that will inbalance the game.

    You were expecting RMT? ala, lib borg superior to everyone because it has 100000 bonus's and all that?

    Nope. Not even the joined trill or any other races have 'extreme' bonus's.

    Its fine as it is.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lotus-cmt wrote:
    The playable Borg we get is "Nerfed" & has no skills to specializes in Guns or Martial Arts compared to other races that you can get.

    Here is what I propose that Cryptic & Atari can take into consideration for the next patch before we go live to the open public.

    {#1} Problem with Borg: is they are not really good at anything. They cant specialize in Guns nor Martial Arts, They will not do well with guns or any weapons because they do not have the Soldier skill to choose from. {Borg should have had an attached arm Gun and a full Borg out fit ..But thats another discussion.}

    (#2) Problem with Borg: They are not good at Hand-To-Hand Martial Arts combat...Even tho they do have "Nanites" it is a close range ground skill. But thats it.... no Covert skill. They do have Physical Strength but thats not enough to specialize into Martial Arts with... You need Covert as well.

    Please open up the skill tree fully for Borg characters like you have it for the Unknown Alien builds. Or at least please and in a ground weapons skill for guns & Hand-to-hand such as:

    Covert for Martial Arts
    Soldier for Guns

    Thank you for your time & Considerations. :)

    The Liberated Borg do not get bonuses to guns and martial arts because the Borg do not use guns and martial arts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I have the lifetime but would have complained if the Liberated Borg was superior in any way to other races. They are liberated Borg, not hive Borg. Thankfully they can move normal speeds and still can aim weapons without their computer assisance. The only machinery left on them is that is required to stay alive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    not gonna read through this all, OP, but borg get 4 traits just like everyone else. 2 are picked for ya, you get to pick 2. Other races start with 1-2 traits and can pick 2-3 based on how many they started with. Borg also get neural blast, which in ground pvp is amazing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Personally I would have liked a few 'less invasive' implants to use more like the ones Seven still had or even like the partials she still had when they had just started removing the implants. as it is there are almost no implants that actually fit with most of te hair styles so for the time being my borg is going shaved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    LOL OP got owned.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Gatness wrote: »
    Personally I would have liked a few 'less invasive' implants to use more like the ones Seven still had or even like the partials she still had when they had just started removing the implants. as it is there are almost no implants that actually fit with most of te hair styles so for the time being my borg is going shaved.

    I guess that's why you can only play a human liberated Borg. The implants could have gotten in the way of alien face thingies. I still play mine as unknown though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    JoelKatz wrote: »
    Cryptic walks a fine line here. If they make the playable Borg have a non-miniscule advantage, it becomes a "pay for power" game, and very few people want that, especially if they're forking out $15/month to play. If you don't like the playable Borg, don't play it. Enjoy not having to pay $15/ month.
    Kitsunami wrote: »
    Cryptic remains true to their promise, so far, not to ever sell anything that will inbalance the game.

    You were expecting RMT? ala, lib borg superior to everyone because it has 100000 bonus's and all that?

    Nope. Not even the joined trill or any other races have 'extreme' bonus's.

    Its fine as it is.
    Those two opinions are really important imo. It's based on such feedback that we (and Cryptic Sales Dpt) will base our judgment for that rather prominent C-Store.

    So far I have to agree with you two. However I'll withhold my judgment until I see how easy it is to respec in-game compared to making a 10$/2min transaction with credit card, or what kind of content they release through the store in comparison with usual P2P MMO updating / expansion processes (hearing about that map in CO makes me wonder, but I don't have all the details and don't play that game).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lotus-cmt wrote:
    OK I know there is probably a thousand upset life time members right now about this special Borg gift that we get for paying $240+ US Dollars for a life time membership.

    The $240 dollars is for the Life time membership...That is Great in it self Thank you for that Cryptic & Atari :D

    The playable Borg we get is "Nerfed" & has no skills to specializes in Guns or Martial Arts compared to other races that you can get. Other races that you can choose from will get 1 to 3 race traits plus you get to choose 1 to 3 other skill traits depending on what race you pick. Here is the problem.... Not all the Trait skills tree will be displayed.....& this extends out not just the Borg but other races as well.

    The Borg only has one good space trait that is part of its race traits and that is "Efficient.: The Borg "Nanites" is OK as well....But here is the problem...Other than the one obvious choice you get in the open skill tree which is the "Borg Neural Blast" the Borg has no other useful attack traits. everything in the skill tree is for defense passive & mostly useless for space & ground.

    Here is what I propose that Cryptic & Atari can take into consideration for the next patch before we go live to the open public.

    {#1} Problem with Borg: is they are not really good at anything. They cant specialize in Guns nor Martial Arts, They will not do well with guns or any weapons because they do not have the Soldier skill to choose from. {Borg should have had an attached arm Gun and a full Borg out fit ..But thats another discussion.}

    (#2) Problem with Borg: They are not good at Hand-To-Hand Martial Arts combat...Even tho they do have "Nanites" it is a close range ground skill. But thats it.... no Covert skill. They do have Physical Strength but thats not enough to specialize into Martial Arts with... You need Covert as well.

    Please Cryptic & Atari take these next suggestions into serious consideration for the next patch before we go live to the entire world.

    Please open up the skill tree fully for Borg characters like you have it for the Unknown Alien builds. Or at least please and in a ground weapons skill for guns & Hand-to-hand such as:

    Covert for Martial Arts
    Soldier for Guns

    Thank you for your time & Considerations. :)

    I bought the lifetime sub to play it as long as the game is out, in no way would I ever pay this much money just for a silly in game item. Just my thought anyways. :cool:
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